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Tribunal 2.0 (Concept Work)

Stumpy Steel·3/19/2018, 5:53:37 PM·3 votes·406 views

Hey friends! I had a rough time the other day while leveling my account (No this isn't a sob story, don't worry). I generally love this community, but after a day full of inters, flamers, and the like, I felt defeated. I'm sure we all feel like reports are useless (because holy moly does it seem that way sometimes) so I wrote to Riot about it. In my letter I mention that I'm afraid they don't have enough people on their team to handle the egregious amounts of reports coming in, so I proposed (and I know people have wanted the Tribunal for a while now) that with some work, we can easily bring back the Tribunal and eventually bring the salt levels of League down. I'm no mathematician, but I do seriously think that this will bring the number of reports, and the number of permabans down.

"If Honourable Players are given the opportunity to use the Tribunal to look over cases of reports, it will help everyone. Firstly, you won't be as overwhelmed with the amount of reports coming in, because possibly thousands of players will be using this system. Secondly, if Bob uses the Tribunal and determines a case is guilty, if the Toxic Player is a first time offender, they could get a warning or small punishment. That may set the Toxic Player straight, and stop them from being toxic in the future (as a result, they won't get perma'd). If they continue however, due to the amount of Honourable Players looking over cases, they will almost certainly be punished again for strike two (harder punishment) and eventually strike three. Obviously the three-strike system is flawed and I'm not suggesting it should be used, but you know what I mean. Five strikes, something like that (also based on the offences they commit, such as five verbal abuse cases = a thirty game chat ban, and three inting cases = a one week ban. Five inting cases = a two week ban, however since the nature of inting is hard to determine without context it may be more difficult to determine than a smaller offence)."

However I don't believe players should hold the fate of other players' accounts. Many times we have bad games, I had a Graves go 1/8/2 earlier but I know for a fact he was trying. Therefore I feel that the Tribunal should be a filter for Riot's Report team.

"Act as a filter for your support team to lighten the load (Share the load, Frodo!). Based on the reputation of the Toxic Player, your team will see it and see the Tribunal's response to it (simlar to an upvote/downvote system, if 70% of the Tribunal verdicts are guilty, your team can dish out a punishment, or vice versa. How you determine the punishment will be up to you, or an algorithm), and act on that." This would consider the percentage of verdicts (13% Not Guilty, 28% Abstained, 59% Guilty), the report case name (Riven: Int/afk) and the sample size/no. of verdicts (30 verdicts is much too small, but if 3000 H. Players voted on it that's substantial).

In conclusion, I want to thank you for reading all of this, I know it was long and winded, but it's extremely important to me and I truly feel that if we police each other, this game will be so much more enjoyable for everyone involved. There will still be toxic players, but everyone has bad days and I think the flamers out there can be rehabilitated or if it comes to it, they just won't be toxic for fear of being punished. Because with thousands of players using the Tribunal, they will be noticed.

ANYways I'm starting to sound like George Orwell, so thanks again for reading. I hope we can build upon this idea and improve it!

Just a guy who likes this game, Stumpy.

Here's a rough draft of what I imagine it could look like! (Green = Not Guilty, Orange = Abstained, Red = Guilty) https://imgur.com/u84uzeE

8 Comments

ModThe Djinn3/19/2018, 6:06:45 PM7 votes

I'm no mathematician, but I do seriously think that this will bring the number of reports, and the number of permabans down.

There's a bigger issue here -- the reason the Tribunal was taken down was because the math didn't work. Not in terms of how it affected reporting, but in terms of efficiency. League generates millions of hours of gameplay each day. The unfortunate fact is that manually reviewing cases just wasn't tenable on a game the size of League, and it's only grown since that time.

Meowgin3/19/2018, 10:59:19 PM2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Stumpy Steel,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=l83HOfub,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-03-19T17:53:37.398+0000) "If Honourable Players are given the opportunity..."

What if some players, who have multiple accounts, would have higher honor on some of their accounts than average player? (Let's say smurfs with "good behavior" and "bad behavior" accounts). They would be able to corrupt Tribunal by voting in favor to protect their other own or their friend's account, as well as voting in groups against someone they don't like. People often react subjectively aka "me and my friends always right, others - wrong for anything. Add to this that many players are immature. This thought keeps me personally absolutely against any idea about Tribunal by players at all. Also, I noticed that the idea about Tribunal is so often brought up by players, who cares oddly a lot about making life easier for toxic players. Looks like a bad sign. Toxic players probably can to be reformed by just naturally growing up, without complicated system, that would rather create a lot of chaos and uncertainty. And extra work. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

Kei1433/19/2018, 6:44:42 PM1 votes

The tribunal is a great way to increase visibility that there is a working behavioral system in place, but not necessarily the best way to punish people.

The old tribunal got cancelled because it took ages to punish people (some players recieved a punishment from a year ago) and the false positive rate was high.

If you need visibility, stuff like this would be pretty ok: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/aFmEtAVK-riot-should-add-monthly-status-cards