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Flugaru·2/9/2017, 7:55:18 AM·3 votes·1,891 views

Okay, so I am 26, and did six years in the military. Most of the people I queue with in League are either active military or separated like me. We all seem to have a mindset that..say if i went 2-14-4 in a game that we ended up losing, and someone on my teams says something along the lines of "you fucking suck man uninstall" that I don't report him. I did "fucking suck" If i am the sole(ish) reason why my team loses why wouldnt they rage out at you? So I guess this is my question.. Does extremely bad play deserve a certain amount of trash talk?

My problem is, most people seem to have a mindset that you cant say anything (mean) to them. But in any other medium besides a video game a certain amount of harsh words is warranted.

-You're a server and mess up 4 tables orders in a row? --> "Dude stop fucking up" -Delivery guy and your last 5 orders are late? --> "Dude you need to get your shit together" -Playing a game of football and you drop every pass thrown to you that game? --> "Maybe dont play WR anymore man"

My point is that it seems like the mindset of people in LoL nowadays is that you cant say anything "mean" to anyone without being an "asshole" when in my opinion the real "asshole" is the guy who is becoming an anchor for the rest of the team trying to carry. My disclaimer is this : Calling someone a "%%%got" or a "%%%%%%" or things like that? I get it.. never okay. My own opinion aside LoL is a public space and you cant go around calling people things like that and expect everything to work out for you.

52 Comments

EvilDustMan2/9/2017, 11:24:11 AM7 votes

You want to get better when random people from the internet tell you that you suck. That's great, that's you. Most of the people, however, don't.

After a hard game where I made a few mistakes and my opponent played better than me and I try to come back but can't, I'm well aware I just had a bad game and don't need some rando from the internet reminding me of it because they think they have to.

And you know what, take your safe space crap and shove it up your ass. Every 15 year old youtube comment child uses that as an excuse for their behavior. You aren't 'offending'. We don't need a 'safe space'. I don't want someone who wasn't in my seat plating my game to assume they have to right to shit on me for my decisions.

In short, we report that sort of behavior because all it does is sound spiteful after a long arduous game. Maybe it is not meant that way from your friends.

We aren't your buddies.

Sarutobi2/9/2017, 9:21:13 AM4 votes

I mean just because you were in the military doesn't mean you are out in a higher standard. Everyone should be treated with respect. And you don't seem to understand that people have bad game. One game shouldn't justify calling someone out. Claiming you suck does absolutely nothing to help solve the problem hence why it's not toleratable. Has nothing to do with safe space. Not sure why people keep calling it that, but then again anything that people deem safe space are people who have no problem with racial slurs, or death threats! Which is pretty damn pathetic!

With that said just okay the damn game how hard is that? Why do you need to criticize everything your teammates do? There are better ways to help you teammates than calling them trash, etc!

Deep Terror Nami2/9/2017, 8:21:50 AM3 votes

I spent 7 years in the military, and when I started playing LoL I did some trash talking too. However, I eventually got a report notification because people weren't ok with the way I was acting. That's all it took for me to realize what the standards of this community are, and that they aren't the same as in, say, Call of Duty or within a group of military friends.

If you take the time to understand why the standards are higher you might come to appreciate them. You might just learn how talking down to your teammates only makes them play worse and not enjoy the game; people don't come play the game to get insulted, they just want to have fun the same as you. If trash talk isn't fun for them you should be considerate of that.

AeroWaffle2/9/2017, 10:19:20 AM2 votes

-You're a server and mess up 4 tables orders in a row? --> "Dude stop fucking up" -Delivery guy and your last 5 orders are late? --> "Dude you need to get your shit together" -Playing a game of football and you drop every pass thrown to you that game? --> "Maybe dont play WR anymore man"

Among your anaolgies, the one the comes closest is the football one. In the other two the other person is providing a service to you in exchange for money, that is not the situation in League. Everyone on your team is equal.

The equivalent of "Maybe dont play WR anymore man" would be, "Maybe don't play X anymore". And I really doubt anyone was punished for that alone. Useful criticism is fine, but unhelpful criticism such as, "You fucking suck" delivered constantly throughout the game? What's the point other than to make a person feel worse than they already are?

grug2/9/2017, 9:29:01 AM2 votes

it's entirely warranted and necessary to the human condition, it is the impetus that drives improvement.

however telling someone to uninstall is very extreme and i consider that to be on the same level as the 'KYS' phrase, everything else is justified.

deathgod52/9/2017, 9:06:26 AM1 votes

-You're a server and mess up 4 tables orders in a row? --> "Dude stop fucking up" -Delivery guy and your last 5 orders are late? --> "Dude you need to get your shit together" -Playing a game of football and you drop every pass thrown to you that game? --> "Maybe dont play WR anymore man

all these things have one thing in common. You either know the person you are with or have some kind of financial dependence on them. If somebody says "you fucking suck man uninstall" in a game I report them because I don't want to play with a person that thinks that is a normal thing to say to somebody you completely know nothing about.

FluffyMcMuffins2/9/2017, 11:46:14 AM1 votes

Not going to read all the replies, so I apologize if this has been stated by someone else already. Personally I agree with your position, however I have found that the stance Riot has taken recently with regards to trash talk is very near zero tolerance. As an example, I recently received a two week ban for "excessive toxicity" as they put it. They did not provide any chat logs with the suspension, however I remember the time leading up to the ban. By far the worst thing I said to any of my teammates in that time was "You must have purchased your account or been boosted. You simply cannot have gotten to this rank by yourself." There were a fair amount of insults thrown out as well as cursing, but that's pretty standard in a game of League.

Also, that two week ban is the very first punishment I have ever received in over six years of playing this game. I have never received so much as a warning before that. A straight jump to two weeks for suggesting my teammates were boosted or purchased their accounts. Of course if it wasn't for saying that, then it was either for 1. cursing or 2. calling them "shit, trash, noobs" etc. Honestly if it's either of those reasons then the LoL community would be quite a bit smaller than it is based on how frequently I see those things (nearly every game).

tl;dr I think you're right and you should be able to say "mean" things to people to an extent. Riot does not agree. Saying very little can earn you very severe punishments.

Kukan Seishin2/9/2017, 6:06:06 PM1 votes

Riot doesn't care about the situation, if you are toxic, you get reported and/or punished, I wish more people understood this. Year team doesn't control what you say, no matter how bad they are.

Billybaroo23142/15/2017, 9:43:45 PM1 votes

Ok, I will give you the fact that yes if you have a bad game you did hurt the team. I can understand that. So someone you don't know, what gives you the right to trash talk them. Going with your examples, there are jobs that do that, but guess what, people can quit on the spot also, and some places do not allow that. As a supervisor in most jobs, you tell some one "Stop Fucking Up" you can be wrote up and disciplined for it. Yes People do it, Yes it happens, but it is not always acceptable and in more cases then not, not acceptable. Also, when you are talking work and MONEY involved, the company does want results. I know your military and thank you for your service, and I know that happens there a lot. This IS a game after all where people are trying to enjoy themselves and relax from the stress of real life. What gives people the right tell them "go kill yourself", "Uninstall" (Pick whatever here) and trash talk them. What good is it going to do the team, if you piss off one of your team mates. You are only as strong as your weakest link, and as you said you have bad games also. You may not mind being trash talked by your friends, and I do with my friends, but I don't people I don't know as it can only hurt the team. More people understood, support your team mates, be less toxic, WIN MORE GAMES and things would improve also.