Tell me if I'm the one out of line

Flugaru·Feb 9, 2017·3 votes·1,891 views

Okay, so I am 26, and did six years in the military. Most of the people I queue with in League are either active military or separated like me. We all seem to have a mindset that..say if i went 2-14-4 in a game that we ended up losing, and someone on my teams says something along the lines of "you fucking suck man uninstall" that I don't report him. I did "fucking suck" If i am the sole(ish) reason why my team loses why wouldnt they rage out at you? So I guess this is my question.. Does extremely bad play deserve a certain amount of trash talk?

My problem is, most people seem to have a mindset that you cant say anything (mean) to them. But in any other medium besides a video game a certain amount of harsh words is warranted.

-You're a server and mess up 4 tables orders in a row? --> "Dude stop fucking up" -Delivery guy and your last 5 orders are late? --> "Dude you need to get your shit together" -Playing a game of football and you drop every pass thrown to you that game? --> "Maybe dont play WR anymore man"

My point is that it seems like the mindset of people in LoL nowadays is that you cant say anything "mean" to anyone without being an "asshole" when in my opinion the real "asshole" is the guy who is becoming an anchor for the rest of the team trying to carry. My disclaimer is this : Calling someone a "%%%got" or a "%%%%%%" or things like that? I get it.. never okay. My own opinion aside LoL is a public space and you cant go around calling people things like that and expect everything to work out for you.

52 Comments

EvilDustManFeb 9, 20177 votes

You want to get better when random people from the internet tell you that you suck. That's great, that's you. Most of the people, however, don't.

After a hard game where I made a few mistakes and my opponent played better than me and I try to come back but can't, I'm well aware I just had a bad game and don't need some rando from the internet reminding me of it because they think they have to.

And you know what, take your safe space crap and shove it up your ass. Every 15 year old youtube comment child uses that as an excuse for their behavior. You aren't 'offending'. We don't need a 'safe space'. I don't want someone who wasn't in my seat plating my game to assume they have to right to shit on me for my decisions.

In short, we report that sort of behavior because all it does is sound spiteful after a long arduous game. Maybe it is not meant that way from your friends.

We aren't your buddies.

FlugaruFeb 9, 20173 votes

This might be the perfect example of the riot community in one post..

I disagree with you, so shove it up your ass! We aren't your friends...

please.

Also, I am not talking about a game where you make a few mistakes and as a team you still lose.. and i think everyone else who read my post figured that out too.

There is a difference between person A being an asshole and person B being a pussy.

FluffyMcMuffinsFeb 9, 20172 votes

Haha... I just replied to a post DustMan made on one of my posts. Wish I had read this one first, I wouldn't have wasted the time.

You're right, it is a perfect example of the community. It's basically reflecting what I said in my original reply. The vast majority of the LoL community are utterly incapable of hearing that something they did was not the absolute best thing they could possibly have done. Yes I would take it that far. It's so bad that half the time I try to complement a teammate they snap at me because they somehow took it the wrong way and thought I was insulting them. And half the time they do realize it was a complement they think I'm being sarcastic so they take it as an insult anyways.

It's sad but that's just how the league community is. If you suggest that somebody should make an adjustment that would help improve their gameplay they are almost certainly going to report you for verbal harassment. That's basically why you aren't allowed to trash talk in league at all. Anything you say will infuriate them, so you're not allowed to say anything.

SarutobiFeb 9, 20174 votes

I mean just because you were in the military doesn't mean you are out in a higher standard. Everyone should be treated with respect. And you don't seem to understand that people have bad game. One game shouldn't justify calling someone out. Claiming you suck does absolutely nothing to help solve the problem hence why it's not toleratable. Has nothing to do with safe space. Not sure why people keep calling it that, but then again anything that people deem safe space are people who have no problem with racial slurs, or death threats! Which is pretty damn pathetic!

With that said just okay the damn game how hard is that? Why do you need to criticize everything your teammates do? There are better ways to help you teammates than calling them trash, etc!

FlugaruFeb 9, 2017

I dont think you read my post right.. as I said when i play poorly and someone snaps on me, I have never once reported.. bc I did play like shit, and i totally get why they are mad. Its a game, and im an adult.. I can handle all the words that are out there.

Me telling you all I was military was simply to let you in on the kind of talk I am used to being around.. you dont get to be offended in the service, so as a result I grew up with thick skin.. so nothing really gets to me.. hence the title of the post. Was wondering if I am the odd one out in thinking that harsh criticism really isnt that bad.

SarutobiFeb 9, 20174 votes

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I dont think you read my post right.. as I said when i play poorly and someone snaps on me, I have never once reported.. bc I did play like shit, and i totally get why they are mad. Its a game, and im an adult.. I can handle all the words that are out there.

Me telling you all I was military was simply to let you in on the kind of talk I am used to being around.. you dont get to be offended in the service, so as a result I grew up with thick skin.. so nothing really gets to me.. hence the title of the post. Was wondering if I am the odd one out in thinking that harsh criticism really isnt that bad.

But the problem is everyone at some point has played poorly, so why treat them like shit by calling out every single time they do it? Remember majority of the time you only see these people for one game. You are judging them by seeing them play one game. What gives you the right or anyone else to tell some one they are shit at the whole game by just one game? That doesn't make sense.

It would be no different than calling out someone that they should never play any sports because they played bad in one game. All in all it has to do with decency. You shouldn't be judging people period. You should be helping them not only to win the game but also improve overall. You still haven't told me how exactly calling someone out, or pointing out every single mistake they do is helping them improve. You are just telling them stuff they already know, so what's the point?

No one is saying harsh criticism is wrong it what you are saying. You can be positive while also helping your teammates. It's also not about being offended, remember this is a game that people play to relax, and while it is still competitive that doesn't mean you can say what ever you want just because you think it's ok. People don't want to play with someone who acts like a little kid first leaning swear words, it's annoying and throws everyone off the game. I'm sure you hate it when people act like that and it's basically the same thing here. No one wants anyone like that in their game.

You also need to remember this is Riot game. They made the rule and we must follow them. It deals with the fact that it's either all ok or none of it is ok. And with Riot they have stated none of it is ok!

Deep Terror NamiFeb 9, 20173 votes

I spent 7 years in the military, and when I started playing LoL I did some trash talking too. However, I eventually got a report notification because people weren't ok with the way I was acting. That's all it took for me to realize what the standards of this community are, and that they aren't the same as in, say, Call of Duty or within a group of military friends.

If you take the time to understand why the standards are higher you might come to appreciate them. You might just learn how talking down to your teammates only makes them play worse and not enjoy the game; people don't come play the game to get insulted, they just want to have fun the same as you. If trash talk isn't fun for them you should be considerate of that.

FlugaruFeb 9, 20171 votes

I get most of that, and like I said I rarely even speak much in chat.. I spend most of my time in games in voice chat with those I am playing with. But when I am playing solo I usually have music playing, or watching TV. When I do speak its usually a "gj man" or someone other form of praise. But when the occasion comes that I say something negative like "that was dumb man" or "dude just stop fighting him..sit by your tower and farm.. I;ll come gank in a bit" I get raged on and it ruins the mood of the team.

My problem here is it just seems like people in LoL are incapable of taking criticism. Chat has never made me rage out, if anything it makes me shift my play type bc if 2-4 of my treamamtes all say im fucking up... I prob am.

grugFeb 9, 20172 votes

it's entirely warranted and necessary to the human condition, it is the impetus that drives improvement.

however telling someone to uninstall is very extreme and i consider that to be on the same level as the 'KYS' phrase, everything else is justified.

FlugaruFeb 9, 20171 votes

I guess thats what I was trying to get at.. there is a difference between harsh criticism and reportable chat.

On some levels people need to grow up, and just leave it all "on the rift" what happened happened, queue up and try again

But like i said, i totally understand why people report when people use n-slur and f-slur.. no place for it.

grugFeb 9, 20172 votes

you sound a bit like this guy. i'm a big fan of his content.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBEQoebKA_g&t=3m8s

FlugaruFeb 9, 20171 votes

I love that.

When people tell me I suck, I want to get better.

EvilDustManFeb 9, 20172 votes

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I love that.

When people tell me I suck, I want to get better.

That is not true of most people.

FlugaruFeb 9, 20172 votes

It is the most healthy option..

shut down? -get tilted? -whine and report?

..nah, ill stick with my improve response.

EvilDustManFeb 9, 20173 votes

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It is the most healthy option..

shut down? -get tilted? -whine and report?

..nah, ill stick with my improve response.

You forgot 'ignore, report, and move on'. Whining is not required.

FlugaruFeb 9, 20171 votes

Or just accept it, take it as a red flag that whatever you did wasnt the best move.. and improve. nipping the problem in the butt instead of being reactive about it.

Nobody wants to say "shit my bad man, ill try to do better" anymore.

EvilDustManFeb 9, 20172 votes

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Or just accept it, take it as a red flag that whatever you did wasnt the best move.. and improve. nipping the problem in the butt instead of being reactive about it.

Nobody wants to say "shit my bad man, ill try to do better" anymore.

Again, why would anyone really take to heart criticism from what amounts to a stranger passing on the street?

FlugaruFeb 9, 20171 votes

Youre either strangers, or teammates, you cant play it both ways.

if you see them as teammates, then you absolutely should head the criticism.

if you see them as strangers, then you have completely missed missed what a 5v5 ranked game is all about.

It's so much easier to just label everyone an asshole and report than it is to look into why they are "yelling" at you in the first place. Its as simple as that, most people cant accept fault.

again..disclaimer, im not talking about the extreme cases where racial slurs and bigotry are being thrown around.

EvilDustManFeb 9, 20171 votes

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Youre either strangers, or teammates, you cant play it both ways.

if you see them as teammates, then you absolutely should head the criticism.

if you see them as strangers, then you have completely missed missed what a 5v5 ranked game is all about.

It's so much easier to just label everyone an asshole and report than it is to look into why they are "yelling" at you in the first place. Its as simple as that, most people cant accept fault.

again..disclaimer, im not talking about the extreme cases where racial slurs and bigotry are being thrown around.

Yes. I did read your post. And no, they are strangers, briefly your teammates.

I'm overweight. Not much, but I definitely need to work on it. If someone comes by and says 'hey, you fatass, lose some fucking weight', my first thought is 'wow that guy was an asshole' not 'I sure am going to take that to heart.'

FlugaruFeb 9, 20171 votes

Okay, so let me run with this example.

If you are overweight, and you are okay with it --> more power to you man, and dont let anyone try to change you

but.. if you arent happy with it --> take that assholes comment as motivation to change.

now, let me translate that into LoL..

You played like crap, and (for this example) caused your team to lose.. but you dont see anything wrong with your style of play --> Dont take your teammates/strangers criticism, keep playing how you play and never get beter.

Same scenario but you arent happy with your play --> look back on why they got mad at you and try to improve.

I dont know about you but the latter seems far more productive than just writting it off as "people are mean to me when I play bad so I report them"

EvilDustManFeb 9, 20171 votes

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Okay, so let me run with this example.

If you are overweight, and you are okay with it --> more power to you man, and dont let anyone try to change you

but.. if you arent happy with it --> take that assholes comment as motivation to change.

now, let me translate that into LoL..

You played like crap, and (for this example) caused your team to lose.. but you dont see anything wrong with your style of play --> Dont take your teammates/strangers criticism, keep playing how you play and never get beter.

Same scenario but you arent happy with your play --> look back on why they got mad at you and try to improve.

I dont know about you but the latter seems far more productive than just writting it off as "people are mean to me when I play bad so I report them"

I do try and change. But the majority, including myself, don't want or need someone giving crude and pointless criticism just because they feel entitled to.

FlugaruFeb 9, 20171 votes

Then I am on your side in that situation, one day at a time, little by little you will get to where you want to be. But, and stop me if im getting to personal,..what if you gf/bf/mom/dad/brother call you out on your weight? Then are they just being asshole? or trying to motivate change? As I see it the people on my side of the Rift are teammates, so when I do something that drives them to say "you suck" i try to get better and not make that mistake again.

"shit mb man i didnt think that thru" "sry im playing so bad guy im boosted af"

I have no problem admitting fault when I clearly am playing poorly, and instead of reporting people to reacting to my shitty plays, I try to just negate the problem by..not making shitty plays.

EvilDustManFeb 9, 20171 votes

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Then I am on your side in that situation, one day at a time, little by little you will get to where you want to be. But, and stop me if im getting to personal,..what if you gf/bf/mom/dad/brother call you out on your weight? Then are they just being asshole? or trying to motivate change? As I see it the people on my side of the Rift are teammates, so when I do something that drives them to say "you suck" i try to get better and not make that mistake again.

"shit mb man i didnt think that thru" "sry im playing so bad guy im boosted af"

I have no problem admitting fault when I clearly am playing poorly, and instead of reporting people to reacting to my shitty plays, I try to just negate the problem by..not making shitty plays.

Your analogy doesn't work. First, if my family resorts to name calling and harassment first to 'help', yes, they are an asshole. Second, my league team made of randos is not my family.

I never said you shouldn't admit fault. If I play poorly, I often say 'sorry guys, having trouble keeping up.' And I try to be better at my game. But if someone is going to be an asshole about it, I can both report them for being an egotistical asshat AND change how I play.

FlugaruFeb 9, 20171 votes

This is why I prefaced the question with "what if"...

I also said "call you out on your weight" not harass and name call. The difference would be; " hey Greg you seem to have put on a few pounds" as apposed to "Hey fatass why wont you learn to run a mile"

My point of the HYPOTHETICAL situation was to try and explain that it doesnt matter who it is making the claim if the reasons behind their claim is valid.

EvilDustManFeb 9, 20171 votes

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This is why I prefaced the question with "what if"...

I also said "call you out on your weight" not harass and name call. The difference would be; " hey Greg you seem to have put on a few pounds" as apposed to "Hey fatass why wont you learn to run a mile"

My point of the HYPOTHETICAL situation was to try and explain that it doesnt matter who it is making the claim if the reasons behind their claim is valid.

Your OP implies pretty heavy handed aggression on it, however.

say if i went 2-14-4 in a game that we ended up losing, and someone on my teams says something along the lines of "you fucking suck man uninstall" that I don't report him.

And my point is, if you can't phrase it like actual constructive criticism, all you are doing is trying to make yourself feel better and put the person down, not make any actual difference.

FlugaruFeb 9, 20171 votes

lol in that very example I am the one who went 2-14-4.. so how am I trying to make myself feel better????

its a pretty simple point.. if you play like shit dont be surprised when people rage at you. Instead of reporting people for reacting to a situation that you caused, maybe take a step back and figure out why they got mad in the first place and remedy that.

*the "you" i use in these situations isnt you Dustman.. simply whoever it is on the team that played poorly.

EvilDustManFeb 9, 20171 votes

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lol in that very example I am the one who went 2-14-4.. so how am I trying to make myself feel better????

its a pretty simple point.. if you play like shit dont be surprised when people rage at you. Instead of reporting people for reacting to a situation that you caused, maybe take a step back and figure out why they got mad in the first place and remedy that.

*the "you" i use in these situations isnt you Dustman.. simply whoever it is on the team that played poorly.

And my point is pretty simple. 'Don't be an asshole about it.'

AeroWaffleFeb 9, 20172 votes

-You're a server and mess up 4 tables orders in a row? --> "Dude stop fucking up" -Delivery guy and your last 5 orders are late? --> "Dude you need to get your shit together" -Playing a game of football and you drop every pass thrown to you that game? --> "Maybe dont play WR anymore man"

Among your anaolgies, the one the comes closest is the football one. In the other two the other person is providing a service to you in exchange for money, that is not the situation in League. Everyone on your team is equal.

The equivalent of "Maybe dont play WR anymore man" would be, "Maybe don't play X anymore". And I really doubt anyone was punished for that alone. Useful criticism is fine, but unhelpful criticism such as, "You fucking suck" delivered constantly throughout the game? What's the point other than to make a person feel worse than they already are?

FlugaruFeb 9, 20172 votes

Dont take the phase so literally.. the reason for them was more to provide context in what I was trying to say, which is this.

In every single aspect of life, criticism is something you have to be able to deal with.. I get that League is a game, and is far different than any of the examples I gave.. but why does it seem that the majority of the player base is so separated from what I would call "normal life" that they can't handle it?

As Iv'e said in the post, I am not talking about me telling people to go KYS or anything like that.. usually its another player telling another player that something they did was stupid.. and instead of taking it, and improving upon it.. they afk, or just rage back.. at my base level I do not understand this way of thinking.. Ranked play is where you should want to go to improve and win, if someone calls you out for "sucking" suck it up, improve, and play better.. its hard to talk shit to someone that is 12-2 and carrying your team.

AeroWaffleFeb 9, 20172 votes

I think the issue is, people play the game for multitude of reasons.

If it was accepted that the game was to be purely played for the competitive edge and self-improvement, poor chat behavior would likely not matter as much to the community.

But it isn't. A lot of players play the game for the short-term enjoyment of a game. I bet ranked players even value the enjoyment of a single game. Getting insulted certainly cuts down that enjoyment, especially when it's coming from someone who's supposed to working on the same side as you.

Telling someone that their previous action was stupid is not really helpful. Hindsight is 20-20, and I doubt they haven't realized they're playing poorly when their score is bad. So most of the flaming seen is done just to upset the other person.

FlugaruFeb 9, 20171 votes

Also.. and this is my fault for not clarifying, in the examples I gave I should of stated that the people giving the criticism are people who work along side ( kinda like a team mate) of the person fucking up.

AeroWaffleFeb 10, 20171 votes

Well, sort of. With the exception of the football one, the insulted party is working for the person insulting.

FlugaruFeb 11, 20171 votes

No no no, like I said I forgot to clarify the example.. in the server example I envisioned the manager or a coworker telling the guy who is messing up to stop messing up, same with the pizza guy.

deathgod5Feb 9, 20171 votes

-You're a server and mess up 4 tables orders in a row? --> "Dude stop fucking up" -Delivery guy and your last 5 orders are late? --> "Dude you need to get your shit together" -Playing a game of football and you drop every pass thrown to you that game? --> "Maybe dont play WR anymore man

all these things have one thing in common. You either know the person you are with or have some kind of financial dependence on them. If somebody says "you fucking suck man uninstall" in a game I report them because I don't want to play with a person that thinks that is a normal thing to say to somebody you completely know nothing about.

FlugaruFeb 9, 20172 votes

So League is some kind of "safe space" where no matter how poorly you perform, your teammates are just supposed to just keep saying "try better next time?"

deathgod5Feb 9, 20171 votes

Yes and no.

yes as in: League is a game that is left by many people because of the fucking atrocious attitude of the community. Like it or not, for a company like riot it is more effective to shovel out the worst players then to become fully known as a toxic cesspool. So yea people get banned in droves because of their "rebellion of the safe space"(which is just being a dick in most situations unfortunately). The report system is designed to only take out the extreme cases tho, so you are probably safe.

No: You also don't have to be nice. There are like a million non reportable ways of making it very clear what you think of your teammates. My personal favorite "thanks for the carry, maokai", just as tilting, not quite so reportable.If you break code of conduct once every 20 games in one rule you probably won't be punished at all. The system only works on people who systematically break rules of conduct like this (http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/vuGorAAp-god-damn-i-hate-this-game ) special snowflake over here.

EvilDustManFeb 9, 20172 votes

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So League is some kind of "safe space" where no matter how poorly you perform, your teammates are just supposed to just keep saying "try better next time?"

You don't have to say anything.

KaiokoFeb 9, 20171 votes

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So League is some kind of "safe space" where no matter how poorly you perform, your teammates are just supposed to just keep saying "try better next time?"

There's a big difference between try better next time and you should kys and I hope your entire family gets cancer you fucking piece of shit.

I personally always criticize my teammates, but there's acceptable ways of saying things and there are ways that are not.

FlugaruFeb 9, 20171 votes

In my OP I disclaim things like this from the conversation..

hate speech/slurs/kys what have you are totally different and I get why that's not tolerated.

KaiokoFeb 9, 20171 votes

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In my OP I disclaim things like this from the conversation..

hate speech/slurs/kys what have you are totally different and I get why that's not tolerated.

I was using extremes as an example -- you fucking suck isn't great either though. What you consider acceptable may or may not be for others. If the majority says it's not and it causes the company more money than you generate; they will act accordingly. It's a for profit corporation after all.

FlugaruFeb 9, 20171 votes

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I was using extremes as an example -- you fucking suck isn't great either though. What you consider acceptable may or may not be for others. If the majority says it's not and it causes the company more money than you generate; they will act accordingly. It's a for profit corporation after all.

That's my point. Why report someone for purely being frustrated at the fact that I played like crap.. that just doesnt make sense to me. If someone calls me a f/slur yeah I might consider reporting him/her.. but someone telling me I sucked bc I went 2/10 and lost my tower in 9min?? No.. I did suck, and i get why he is mad.

KaiokoFeb 9, 20171 votes

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That's my point. Why report someone for purely being frustrated at the fact that I played like crap.. that just doesnt make sense to me. If someone calls me a f/slur yeah I might consider reporting him/her.. but someone telling me I sucked bc I went 2/10 and lost my tower in 9min?? No.. I did suck, and i get why he is mad.

Again telling someone you sucked and telling someone you fucking sucked are different. Perhaps to you they should be treated the same, but by very definition of a multiplayer game; you act with various individuals.

For that matter none of the examples you gave with the footballer/server/delivery guy should be used. Just because the delivery guy is late doesn't mean you get to insult him; same thing with the server. Football might be slightly different although it's not generally accepted either unless it's in good person. If you notice though; all these things have one general difference between league THEY ARE SPOKEN WORDS.

It's a lot harder to interpret how joking/serious you're saying something and fully understanding your train of thought when one cannot hear your tone. It's better to err on the safe side of things than to cause a situation with another player that ruins the game for everyone else. Besides; those comments aren't actually helping the situation whatsoever.

FlugaruFeb 9, 20171 votes

Should of been more descriptive.. in the examples given the customer isnt giving the criticism, the coworkers/managers/teammates are

FluffyMcMuffinsFeb 9, 20171 votes

Not going to read all the replies, so I apologize if this has been stated by someone else already. Personally I agree with your position, however I have found that the stance Riot has taken recently with regards to trash talk is very near zero tolerance. As an example, I recently received a two week ban for "excessive toxicity" as they put it. They did not provide any chat logs with the suspension, however I remember the time leading up to the ban. By far the worst thing I said to any of my teammates in that time was "You must have purchased your account or been boosted. You simply cannot have gotten to this rank by yourself." There were a fair amount of insults thrown out as well as cursing, but that's pretty standard in a game of League.

Also, that two week ban is the very first punishment I have ever received in over six years of playing this game. I have never received so much as a warning before that. A straight jump to two weeks for suggesting my teammates were boosted or purchased their accounts. Of course if it wasn't for saying that, then it was either for 1. cursing or 2. calling them "shit, trash, noobs" etc. Honestly if it's either of those reasons then the LoL community would be quite a bit smaller than it is based on how frequently I see those things (nearly every game).

tl;dr I think you're right and you should be able to say "mean" things to people to an extent. Riot does not agree. Saying very little can earn you very severe punishments.

FlugaruFeb 9, 20171 votes

No need to apologize. Thank you for realizing the difference between hate speech and trash talk.

Of course in the perfect game all i say is positive things, but heaven forbid I get mad at the 2-12 top laner who lost his tower at 9min and continues to try to 1v1 his opponent..

that was more my point in the post.. why WOULDNT you get mad at someone like that? it blows my mind that when you play so poorly that it drives someone to yell at you, that these people actually have the guall to report you for being mean..

FluffyMcMuffinsFeb 9, 20172 votes

Yeah, it's basically the squeaky wheel scenario I think. The people that are not ok with trash talk are the ones that come of the forums and complain about it. Since there are very very few posts about how a degree of trash talk should be acceptable and countless posts about how you should not be allowed to say anything other than positive words of encouragement to your teammates (and anyone who says anything nasty should be crucified to boot) then those are the ones that are being heeded. So Riot decided the best course of action was to just start handing out two week and permanent bans for nasty not nice chat. The list of things that can earn you one of those two punishments is growing at an alarming rate. If you want to keep playing League and don't want your account banned I would be extremely careful what you put in chat. Riot's putting their foot down on it.

EvilDustManFeb 9, 20171 votes

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Yeah, it's basically the squeaky wheel scenario I think. The people that are not ok with trash talk are the ones that come of the forums and complain about it. Since there are very very few posts about how a degree of trash talk should be acceptable and countless posts about how you should not be allowed to say anything other than positive words of encouragement to your teammates (and anyone who says anything nasty should be crucified to boot) then those are the ones that are being heeded. So Riot decided the best course of action was to just start handing out two week and permanent bans for nasty not nice chat. The list of things that can earn you one of those two punishments is growing at an alarming rate. If you want to keep playing League and don't want your account banned I would be extremely careful what you put in chat. Riot's putting their foot down on it.

Yea, the 5 percent chat punishment rate suggests otherwise.

FluffyMcMuffinsFeb 9, 20171 votes

I assume you are referring to my statement that Riot is handing out severe punishments for minor infractions. I don't understand what point you're trying to make. I never said Riot is banning an excessive number of people. In fact I'm pretty certain I did not bring up any quantities at all. I simply said they are giving out severe punishments (14 day and permanent bans) for very minor things (saying mean things to your teammates) which is completely true. I'm not getting the information from another person either. I know it is true based on personal experience (see my original reply for details).

The percent of people getting punished is completely irrelevant to my post. The fact is Riot has drastically increased the number of things you can say to earn yourself a severe punishment. There are plenty of people who get away with saying those things without punishment of course. That is mostly due to the fact that many players report way too often so their reports carry no weight.

Kukan SeishinFeb 9, 20171 votes

Riot doesn't care about the situation, if you are toxic, you get reported and/or punished, I wish more people understood this. Year team doesn't control what you say, no matter how bad they are.

Billybaroo2314Feb 15, 20171 votes

Ok, I will give you the fact that yes if you have a bad game you did hurt the team. I can understand that. So someone you don't know, what gives you the right to trash talk them. Going with your examples, there are jobs that do that, but guess what, people can quit on the spot also, and some places do not allow that. As a supervisor in most jobs, you tell some one "Stop Fucking Up" you can be wrote up and disciplined for it. Yes People do it, Yes it happens, but it is not always acceptable and in more cases then not, not acceptable. Also, when you are talking work and MONEY involved, the company does want results. I know your military and thank you for your service, and I know that happens there a lot. This IS a game after all where people are trying to enjoy themselves and relax from the stress of real life. What gives people the right tell them "go kill yourself", "Uninstall" (Pick whatever here) and trash talk them. What good is it going to do the team, if you piss off one of your team mates. You are only as strong as your weakest link, and as you said you have bad games also. You may not mind being trash talked by your friends, and I do with my friends, but I don't people I don't know as it can only hurt the team. More people understood, support your team mates, be less toxic, WIN MORE GAMES and things would improve also.