What it takes to ban feeders ?

Zezilian·Jan 19, 2018·4 votes·1,211 views

I just had a game where Camille had a bad start, he fed up with playing and decided to feed (verbally admitted). Player end up having 2/15. Even he got multiple warnings about being banned he just ignored and kept feeding. He said he will not get banned. I checked his history where he had multiple games like 2/16, 0/8, 1/17, 1/13 etc. Those numbers from the last 5 days and clearly the player didn't get banned. I only can assume he was intentionally feeding back then too but so far he didn't get punished?

Question to RIOT - how do you expect players not to rage when you let feeders play freely even they have admitted themselves they would feed (as it was the case in my game) and probably provoking fellow players to become toxic ?

26 Comments

Kei143Jan 19, 20187 votes

Right now, a chunk of the inting punishments are dealt manually. Manual reviews are time consuming and the reviewers are severely back logged.

What it really takes improve this is the community to take it easy on feeding reports, instead of calling everyone intentional feeding.

This way Riot would have proper data to work with and can develop better automated measures to catch the real inting behavior.

Miror BJan 19, 20181 votes

I agree, because as we all know the solution to most problems is to ignore them and hope they go away. It's why global warming doesn't exist, why all diseases are cured, and why Bill Cosby is a well respected actor right now.

In all seriousness though, if they wanted to make things better then I'd really like to see them "tighten things up" on the whole suspension/report issue. Start handing out perma-mutes to people who grief and talk sh't, be more aggressive with the inting bans (as trust me, the problem is getting worse and not better), and start using an iron fist on things. If people don't want to play the game in a respectable fashion, then make them.

RookPusherJan 22, 20181 votes

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Right now, a chunk of the inting punishments are dealt manually. Manual reviews are time consuming and the reviewers are severely back logged.

What it really takes improve this is the community to take it easy on feeding reports, instead of calling everyone intentional feeding.

This way Riot would have proper data to work with and can develop better automated measures to catch the real inting behavior.

Why not give it a priority based on deaths relative to allies? You'd almost certainly get to the actual problems more quickly.

Kei143Jan 22, 20181 votes

I'm a support main, I would sacrifice myself for my allies, especially if I got them fed.

If one is going to punish me for having crappy KDA, then I'll stop playing tanks, I'll stop sacrificing myself, I'll stop engaging, I'll just play zyra, velkoz, and xerath and sit back and be safe so my account will be safe.

RookPusherJan 22, 20181 votes

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I'm a support main, I would sacrifice myself for my allies, especially if I got them fed.

If one is going to punish me for having crappy KDA, then I'll stop playing tanks, I'll stop sacrificing myself, I'll stop engaging, I'll just play zyra, velkoz, and xerath and sit back and be safe so my account will be safe.

That's a fair point. Not sure how you'd adjust for tanks but someone who's better at stats than I am might know.

Ph03n1xb1rdJan 19, 20186 votes

They simply don't care about it, and ban anyone who dares to flame these trolls.

Welcome to Rito logic!

ZezilianJan 19, 20183 votes

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They simply don't care about it, and ban anyone who dares to flame these trolls.

Welcome to Rito logic!

Sad true, not sure why somebody downvoted you.

Kei143Jan 20, 20182 votes

cos it's not true. You may feel that way, and it's OK to say how you feel, but doesn't mean it's true.

DBS RonovonJan 20, 20182 votes

He is badmouthing Rito, which means fanboys will downvote.

HalcyonDwellerJan 19, 20181 votes

That is a misrepresentation of Riot's goals and policies. And you should know better.

Please don't be a dick.

Ph03n1xb1rdJan 20, 20181 votes

Then it looks like Riot misinterprets their OWN policies, bc they don't punish inters.

(Have another account where I troll every 2nd-3rd ranked game, and still going fine... --> they do NOT care)

HalcyonDwellerJan 20, 20181 votes

I've explained this to you before, the process to identify and deal with intentional feeders is a lot more complex and slow than the process for banning flamers.

They absolutely care. If you're so brave then what's the name of your other account? Lets see what happens to it when Riot investigates it.

Ph03n1xb1rdJan 20, 20181 votes

Look, the point will be to prove that Rito's system doesn't work, how can I prove that it doesn't work, if I just give up my account? You realize they should detect it themselves, not from somebody giving himself up. This is plain stupid....

And actually inting is not hard to detect, they just don't care. I don't really understand why you keep defending a system which obviously doesn't work.......

It's funny how I point out problems in the system, yet you keep denying it O.o

EDIT: BTW what you ask me to do is naming/shaming, which is obviously against the rules of the forum. So pls, don't ask me to break the rules. Or you will be reported.

HalcyonDwellerJan 20, 20181 votes

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EDIT: BTW what you ask me to do is naming/shaming, which is obviously against the rules of the forum. So pls, don't ask me to break the rules. Or you will be reported.

If it is your own account then it's not name and shame. You can easily come here on that account and comment saying "it's me." That was a piss-poor deflection. I'm doing nothing wrong here. But don't waste your time, I saved you the trouble and already reported this conversation to the mods so they can look over our exchange and see that for themselves.

Look, the point will be to prove that Rito's system doesn't work, how can I prove that it doesn't work, if I just give up my account? You realize they should detect it themselves, not from somebody giving himself up. This is plain stupid....

You claimed that they did not care, I'm simply pointing out the fact that that claim is false. When trolls are brought to their attention they investigate and take action. It's not something that they can do automatically yet, but being unable to do it automatically does not mean that they do not care.

And actually inting is not hard to detect, they just don't care. I don't really understand why you keep defending a system which obviously doesn't work.......

People who run it down lanes are easy to catch. Other forms of trolling not so much. What you consider "inting" may not actually be inting some of the time. And taking it into your own hands to "punish" them for "not doing things the way you want" by contributing to the problem is the most self-centered idiocy I've seen here in months.

It's funny how I point out problems in the system, yet you keep denying it O.o

It's funny how you keep talking shit about Riot but have zero commitment to your point. You hide behind your deflections and refuse to do anything that might prove your point right or wrong. You can claim that you have an account and have trolled with it, but unless you prove it then you could easily be lying. It's a meaningless claim unless you put your money where your mouth is.

Ph03n1xb1rdJan 20, 20181 votes

To prove that Rito's system works THEY have to catch that account by themselves. Not spoonfeeding them god....

And you can think that I lie it still doesn't matter, I know that their system is not working (I'm not even sure if they have one for this). And I write about this problem here on forum. That's all, if you don't believe me, then don't believe me, it wont change anything.

BTW, thanks for reporting this conversation, if you get anything more that an boilerplate text that they are investigating, I would be happy to read that response, maybe they can prove that they are doing something :)

HalcyonDwellerJan 20, 20181 votes

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To prove that Rito's system works THEY have to catch that account by themselves. Not spoonfeeding them god....

Proving whether or not it works is not what I'm arguing about. Don't shift the goalposts. The automated system does not work for catching trolls, this is already known. Trolls are caught more slowly with manual reviews when people bring them to Riot's attention with things like support tickets.

You claimed that "Riot does not care." I told you to prove it, and gave you a perfectly simple way to do so. You refused. End result: your claim is invalid and you can stop spreading that bit of misinformation now. Riot cares. And claiming otherwise is bullshit.

And you can think that I lie it still doesn't matter, I know that their system is not working (I'm not even sure if they have one for this). And I write about this problem here on forum. That's all, if you don't believe me, then don't believe me, it wont change anything.

It's not my problem if you don't prove your argument. You're the one who's not persuading anyone. No proof = no persuasiveness.

BTW, thanks for reporting this conversation, if you get anything more that an boilerplate text that they are investigating, I would be happy to read that response, maybe they can prove that they are doing something :)

I reported it to the Forum Mods not Riot Support. Do you even know how the boards works? I have no reason to take this to Riot support for investigating. You threatened to report me for breaking the boards rules, so I explained why it's not breaking them and also saved you the trouble by doing it for you. It's the little underlined text that says "Report" in the bottom right corner of everyone's comments.

The Forum Mods are separate from Riot Support, and they will investigate this discussion and take moderation action if they deem it necessary. This in no way affects either of us in-game.

It was about demonstrating that your understanding of the forum rules is incorrect and showing you that threatening me with reports when I've done nothing wrong is not going to intimidate me. Don't waste your time using garbage tactics to 'beat' me in argument, doing so won't progress your own argument, and it only further hurts your own argument's persuasiveness.

Ph03n1xb1rdJan 20, 20181 votes

Guess then we misunderstood eachother, at least I misunderstood your idea of a working trolls banning system. If you say that a system which catches a very low percentage of trolls Is a working system, then be happy with it. I would not call it a good nor workin' system, bc it simply doesn't do what it is supposed to do.

And I still state, Rito has to find that account itself from the player reports, not spoonfeeding the name to them ;)

HalcyonDwellerJan 22, 20181 votes

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Guess then we misunderstood eachother, at least I misunderstood your idea of a working trolls banning system. If you say that a system which catches a very low percentage of trolls Is a working system, then be happy with it. I would not call it a good nor workin' system, bc it simply doesn't do what it is supposed to do.

I was never talking about whether it works or not. I have personally expressed my own frustrations with the existing system and said that Riot needs to work on it so it catches trolls better. So we are in agreement that the non-verbal forms of trolling are still not dealt with in an efficient or timely manner.

And I still state, Rito has to find that account itself from the player reports, not spoonfeeding the name to them ;)

You're only saying that still because you think it will piss me off, it won't. Come on dude, you're better than this. Don't waste both our time by trying to bait me like that.

Ph03n1xb1rdJan 22, 20181 votes

I'm sorry, I didn't want to bait you or anything, I meant this as a reply to another comment, I have some other people to argue with now, so this wasn't meant to you :)

HalcyonDwellerJan 22, 20181 votes

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I'm sorry, I didn't want to bait you or anything, I meant this as a reply to another comment, I have some other people to argue with now, so this wasn't meant to you :)

<shrug> okay then. I can see that there are no other discussions going on in this thread at the time of your comment, but whatever you say buddy.

Ph03n1xb1rdJan 22, 20181 votes

Another thread, but nvm, I don't see how does a misplaced post has anything doing with the point of this conversation. But referring to your post, yes, I could prove it, but I wont, since that would make the whole account to be pointless, since spoonfeeding names to Riot, wouldn't make anything better, just ppl who defens Riot could use that account as an example of banned inters (what Riot actually didn't manage to chatch on by own).

If you want the name of that account as proof, I wont give it to you. So if that's the only way you would take me serious, then this conversation is kinda over.

HalcyonDwellerJan 22, 20181 votes

Another thread... alright. Anyways.

I don't need it as proof or disproof. We both know that the system doesn't work as well as it should, it is reasonable to assume that you could have an account that you trolled on that was not punished. So no, I do not want you to reveal it anymore. Our discussion has moved on from the reason for demanding you reveal it at all.

######I still fail to see the point of contributing to the problem by trolling, it doesn't make the game any more fun to troll, and it doesn't affect Riot's priorities since they already care about trolling and are trying to find ways to effectively deal with it. But whatever, that is besides the point of this discussion.

The only reason I demanded you reveal it in the first place was because you claimed that Riot did not care about trolling, which would absolutely be disproved by them banning your account if you revealed it in effort to prove that they did not care. I suggest you do not repeat the false claim that "Riot does not care" on the boards again, if I ever see it I'll nip that in the bud by bringing this up again.

It seems we have nothing left to talk about here, so I'll take my leave. I'm glad we reached an understanding about the system not working as it should. I look forwards to seeing constructive discussions involving you in the future regarding ways to improve the system.

Ph03n1xb1rdJan 22, 20181 votes

With "does not care" I meant that they don't use enough resources/have a shitty system to handle it. I personally wouldn't call spoonfeeding them names to ban "caring", but you are surely right about that that they handle some bans once in a while. I've never seen them being constructive about any kind of these issues, but I would be also happy to share ideas to develop a well working system.

Thanks for the discussion!

III BAKURYU III Mar 11, 20181 votes

" I still fail to see the point of contributing to the problem by trolling, it doesn't make the game any more fun to troll"

I don't know trolling seems like the only option in league if you're stuck in bronze and realistically have no "drive" to actually try anymore to get out etc. This can also be true for other divisions/tiers also like Silver etc. Do people love to s$ittalk? - Yes. Well, why not s$ittalk and lose on purpose on merits that not only can you s$ittalk to a minimum but also have 4 other players that you can kinda drag down with you/your level and play "gOD" of sorts with their league experience.
" Some Men Just Want To Watch The World Burn" - Alfred, DarkKnight

I'm not saying that I do such things but just trying to see such points from a troll perspective.

I also do agree with you that Riot is trying to fix such problems but it's much harder than what people realize.

Butt ΡlugJan 19, 20182 votes

The issue is that it's hard to differentiate unless it's really obvious and more often than not people will report players that just had a bad game/matchup so there are a tons of reports for feeding that are unjustified.

HalcyonDwellerJan 19, 20181 votes

It's complicated, but basically they don't want to accidentally falsely ban someone who didn't deserve it, so they won't use an automated system for intentional feeders.

It being a manual process means it takes more time to get through it, meanwhile the automated system is faster and more efficient, so you see the appearance of punishing flamers but not trolls, when that isn't Riot's intention at all. They aren't ignoring or not prioritizing it, it's just harder for them to do, and the other side of the system is streamlined and works quickly on its own.