everyone seems to complain about "toxic" players but no one seems to want to do this

scazzman·Apr 2, 2017·2 votes·1,155 views

Don't give them a reason to be toxic.

9/10 times i see "toxic chat" being the result of one of the following behaviors

Banning someone's champion, either accidentally or on purpose
A player trying to give instructions, and being flat out ignored, either through chat or through pings
Refusing to help a lane that's asking for help.
Trying to pull the "you're bad" card, or making passive aggressively tilting comments in chat. in order to deflect blame
getting defensive when asked to play safe
screwing around/not playing seriously "this is especially true for ranked"

25 Comments

NatakeApr 3, 20173 votes

This is just enabling toxic people.

Whether you give them a reason or not, we shouldn't excuse toxic behavior.

If it's something that like banning someone's champ intentionally, that's also toxic, you feel?

scazzmanApr 3, 20171 votes

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This is just enabling toxic people.

Whether you give them a reason or not, we shouldn't excuse toxic behavior.

If it's something that like banning someone's champ intentionally, that's also toxic, you feel?

im not saying it's okay. but i am saying 90% of it can be prevented

NatakeApr 3, 20172 votes

Not exactly.

Honestly, toxic people are prone to anger and when a game goes bad, they release it.

A toxic person will flame every game they're losing or even when they're winning.

It's not about other people.

It's pretty much about them.

scazzmanApr 3, 20171 votes

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Not exactly.

Honestly, toxic people are prone to anger and when a game goes bad, they release it.

A toxic person will flame every game they're losing or even when they're winning.

It's not about other people.

It's pretty much about them.

this isnt true, as a former "toxic player" myself, every chat restriction i've gotten was because someone was either actively provoking me trying to get me banned, or because people were refusing to communicate, so i had to "get rude" because being nice wasnt working

NatakeApr 3, 20174 votes

But no one "made" you get toxic. You chose to.

"The tempter or the tempted. Who sins most?" -Measure by Measure, Shakespeare.

In this case, it's the tempted.

Because let's say you got reported and on chat restriction for being toxic.

Let's say other people are insulting you and goading you or trying to get you angry or refusing to communicate.

All of those are reportable offenses.

That makes them toxic.

And no one can "make" you be toxic back.

scazzmanApr 3, 20171 votes

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But no one "made" you get toxic. You chose to.

"The tempter or the tempted. Who sins most?" -Measure by Measure, Shakespeare.

In this case, it's the tempted.

Because let's say you got reported and on chat restriction for being toxic.

Let's say other people are insulting you and goading you or trying to get you angry or refusing to communicate.

All of those are reportable offenses.

That makes them toxic.

And no one can "make" you be toxic back.

"no one can make you do anything" is a patronizing statement used by people to make the other person look morally inferior. when the reality is if someone pressures you enough. EVENTUALLY you're going to cave, i dont care what kind of a person you think you are. also, riot doesnt allow you to "just walk away" which creates a scenario where the provoked player feels trapped, and creates a "damned if you do damned if you dont" situation. if i stay, i get progressively more frustrated and will more then likely say something in chat that i shouldnt, if i afk, i get reported anyway.

NatakeApr 3, 20174 votes

But..that's what muting is for.

scazzmanApr 3, 20171 votes

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But..that's what muting is for.

if i mute them, they will just escalate their behavior outside of chat.

NatakeApr 3, 20171 votes

Continue what behavior? Anything they do to that is a detriment to you is a detriment to them to. It's a team game.

scazzmanApr 3, 20171 votes

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Continue what behavior? Anything they do to that is a detriment to you is a detriment to them to. It's a team game.

not if theyre trolling. the worst thing you can do to someone who is trying to get a reaction out of you is mute them, they will ping spam, int, take your farm. but they WILL get you to type

NatakeApr 3, 20174 votes

Not if you don't type.

It really is that simple.

I'm not trying to condescend, but if you're totally aware that talking to them isn't getting through to them, then you stop talking to them.

scazzmanApr 3, 20171 votes

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Not if you don't type.

It really is that simple.

I'm not trying to condescend, but if you're totally aware that talking to them isn't getting through to them, then you stop talking to them.

i shouldnt have to be forced to endure every single troll i encounter without being allowed to walk away or say anything back

ChønklordApr 3, 20171 votes

Then don't play League. Unfortunately, coming across trolls etc is an inherent side-effect of team reliant video games. Always has, always will be. Abide by the rules or be cast out for becoming what you despise.

scazzmanApr 3, 20171 votes

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Then don't play League. Unfortunately, coming across trolls etc is an inherent side-effect of team reliant video games. Always has, always will be. Abide by the rules or be cast out for becoming what you despise.

its not the trolls that are the problem, its the fact that not only am i not allowed to say anything back to them, but im not allowed to walk away

ChønklordApr 3, 20171 votes

its not the trolls that are the problem, its the fact that not only am i not allowed to say anything back to them, but im not allowed to walk away

So you don't think it's the ones causing the harassment/toxicity that are the problem; you think the rules that prevent you from creating more toxicity and negativity from arguing and harassing them back, is the problem????

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

TrulyBlandApr 3, 20173 votes

People have the right to make their own strategic calls regardless of other peoples' wishes. That alone disqualifies the first three of the points you made...

Considering passive aggressive comments are toxic chat, the fourth point works pretty effectively against your "9/10" claim, given that even if the entire rest of the team reacts to it, that still means that one out of those five people was being toxic without provocation.

Depending on how exactly you define "getting defensive", that also applies to this point. If "getting defensive" however literally just means defending themselves: If all it takes for somebody to be toxic are people defending themselves, then that really legitimizes the defensiveness, doesn't it?

The only legitimate point you have is the last one... but that doesn't happen even remotely enough to explain nine out of fucking ten cases of toxic chat. In fact one of the biggest problems with toxic chat is how often people directly jump to the conclusion that somebody is a troll or intentional feeder.

Follow your own advice and stop deflecting blame.

ƒrenet ƒrameApr 3, 20172 votes

There is a large difference between provoking someone and not bending to their every will. Ban the champ they want to play because it's a common ban, not an excuse to be toxic. Not helping a losing lane because they would rather snowball their own lane to be able to carry, not an excuse to be toxic. Telling someone to build tanky please, not an excuse. Telling someone to kill themselves because they are shit, alright, I'll have a bit of sympathy here. The fact of the matter is though, things are going to happen that you dislike. Grow up and shut up.

ChønklordApr 3, 20172 votes

There is never a valid reason to 'be toxic'; you choose your own words and actions, not someone else.

Magical PlayerApr 3, 20171 votes

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

hater free zoneApr 3, 20171 votes

So what you're basically telling us is to not trigger people prone to toxic behaviour. They are delicate snowflakes who don't like being talked back to, but we should just allow them to speak their vitriol.

scazzmanApr 3, 20171 votes

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So what you're basically telling us is to not trigger people prone to toxic behaviour. They are delicate snowflakes who don't like being talked back to, but we should just allow them to speak their vitriol.

Im not asking people to walk on eggshells. But what i am saying. Is people "usually " don't start out being toxic. And going out of the way to not be the reason can go a long way. Don't BM, don't ignore your team. If someone asks you to play safe. Don't take it like they just asked you to wash their car.

hater free zoneApr 3, 20171 votes

Toxic behaviour is a reaction, not a response. I think we're on the same page that you don't want to antagonize people, but toxic people are always going to have that behaviour as part of their nature. They will lash out at criticism or observations. Toxic people are just as sensitive as the people they verbally abuse, and the community needs recognize that toxicity is a form of sensitivity just as much as it is for the people who are made to feel bad by their behaviour.

alaskaneagleApr 3, 20171 votes

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I have gone 26/6/22 before and been harassed all game by toxic trolls. I have been harassed Many times for picking a champ they didn't want me to pick. Toxic people are toxic, and riot has ignored the problem while encouraging toxicity so long that it's pretty much to late. The game is doing Exactly what I said it would.

TrippadelicApr 3, 20171 votes

Toxic to me is like the last game i had with a Master Yi main. Here's the rundown: Level 2 vs a Riven as Swain, she's over extended and he comes to gank; we die as a double kill. The rest of the game was just him telling me im awful, to kill myself, blaming me for "inting" as i was 0/4 and he was 3/14, and that he was going to do awful things to my mother. The rest of that game was just spam question marks. Shit like that honestly makes me just want to quit playing.