Why should players be banned for being toxic

Elirria·12/24/2017, 11:59:05 AM·3 votes·1,981 views

In my opinion, i think players getting banned for being toxic doesn't really make sense at all. How about instead of giving the player a 14-day ban and then a permaban you just take away chat with them for a long period. They can work their way up to a couple of months and if they continue then remove chat privileges completely and they can try again next season. People who spend money on the game to support riot shouldn't be banned because they flame people the solution isn't to ban them it's to take their chat away from them. This does not include players who int and troll

23 Comments

Sarutobi12/24/2017, 12:37:55 PM7 votes

Because they already tried that and it didnt work. It didnt help people become less toxic/help them reform, it basically made them be toxic in other ways to ruin the game like trolling/intentionally losing the match. If it didnt work the first time, why would it magically work this time around? People who spend money on this game should be doing it because they like the game want to support it, not because they should be able to break the rules and get away with it. No other type of game, or services does stuff like that. Just follow the rules, its not that difficult.

ModPeriscope12/24/2017, 3:06:12 PM3 votes

If 10 and 25 game chat restrictions don't curb a player's behavior, why should we go with longer chat restrictions?

This didn't work, let's do more of it!

scribbles78212/24/2017, 9:54:19 PM2 votes

If they deserve month-long chat restrictions, they probably are prone to being tilted pretty easily and they probably feed in a lot of games and ruin peoples' games for that reason. They do deserve to be banned.

ModPrandine12/24/2017, 10:32:15 PM2 votes

Riot tried that once before and many people with that punishment just resorted to gameplay trolling instead. Riot Tantram even posted about this a few months ago:

It really breaks down into two categories.

1.) Helping players reform 2.) Shielding others from the behavior, at a cost.

We used to issue chat restrictions that essentially scaled indefinitely.

We were able to determine that after a certain point the penalty no longer helped with reform. The 10-game and 25-game counts for chat restrictions are based on data that they were both light enough, and felt strict enough to encourage people to understand their behavior is unacceptable in game and change it.

We also saw that the players in this 'large restriction' category defaulted to gameplay altering means of harassing their team. It caused an increase in feeding and trolling.

The sample size of this population and time frame is huge. Essentially the time spanning from the introduction of chat restrictions to the introduction of IFS.

So my question for you is, would you rather have more feeders and less negative chat?

Also spending money =/= immunity to the rules. To quote Kei143:

When Riot permabans someone, their philosophy is "the chances of this guy reforming isn't a whole lot, we'd rather not have him in the game". Thus in their eyes, they have already written off the toxic player as a paying client.

From a business standpoint, do they want to remove the toxic guy who has spent $500 but is causing a negative environment for 4-9 other players in every game? Those non-toxics are also spending $500 and probably will spend more, promote the game more when they are enjoying the game AND they won't cause a negative environment.

I personally think it is a fine argument to protect the ones that are paying money and aren't toxic rather than protecting the ones that may pay the same amount but are toxic.

Sir Ticklesword12/24/2017, 4:13:29 PM1 votes

Because they tried perma mute. It didn't work, in fact players that were muted were toxic in other ways. It's also a majority agreement: we want to play a game, not deal with someone being immature. So rules were established and a ban system was made that promotes reforming. It's a negative feedback system that is trying to tell you your behavior is unacceptable. If you really can't see that saying and doing certain things does affect others, especially when you have a common goal, then you are a selfish asshole.

Elirria1/3/2018, 9:45:07 AM1 votes

Saying would I have more feeders or less negative chat is not the question you should be asking, the toxic players aren't the feeders most of the time the toxic players are the good players who get mad at the feeders which are the people who report. I would rather have a great jungler who calls me a %%%%%% %%%got then gets chat removed from him/her after then an 0-10 morgana jungle that says I'm a good fizz and sorry 24/7 for feeding. The people who get perma banned aren't people who are toxic and creating a game ruining experience they are people who have made mistakes no matter how many times it is. If Riot really would rather have players perma banned who spend $500 over payers who probably spend more then they woud give those players their money back. If I was the owner of Riot I would start laughing at anyone who said that because why would I not perma ban someone when you know theyre going to make a new account spend ever more money on xp boost and to buy new champs with this new blue essence that makes it 10000 times harder to buy champs. For all you butthurt players that are sad that a 10-0 zed calls you fucking garbage because you fed and weren't the best that game then mute which players never really do because if they did then people wouldn't be getting banned as much. You butt hurt players are being fooled by Riot thinking that theyre getting getting rid of toxic players when really they are just banning them earning more money when they make new accounts and buy more thing from Riot. The perma mute didn't work and I wasn't playing when that was a thing so I wouldn't know but this perma ban system is even worse. To answer your question I would rather have less feeding players but you question does not apply to most situations so I have a better question for you. Would you play with a 10-0 Fizz main who flames you and you can mute two games in a row and you win, or a 0-7 ashe adc who says sorry and dosent speak much at all and loses you the game. If you pick the second option you are most likely the 0-7 ashe and there is a reason people flame you and I and many other would rather have you permanltly banned and have waste your money to level up and buy champs and skins again and not have you play ranked with you for a while than have a good player banned because you don't know what youre doing.

side note I don't have time to correct spelling mistakes spending my 4am trying to reason with feeders that they are being lied to