What's the cause of the last teamfight suicide?

Asterfix·Mar 12, 2018·1 votes·366 views

I've been in low ELO for years and almost every game there's one player on either team who runs straight into the enemy team right before last teamfight and then they lose the game. Like would have been essential to victory but runs straight at the enemy team and dies.

Last game had a TF ulti into the jungle and walk in behind the enemy before anybody had engaged and just walked into them. Then we lost the subsequent 4v5. I see it so often and I have no idea why people do it.

11 Comments

eaglei3Mar 12, 20181 votes

Part of it is just tilt. When something gets you upset and aggravated, you don't think as clearly. Be it teammates arguing or maybe that person is frustrated how someone else has been playing and they make the last mistake.

Part of it is thinking about making a play and not realizing your team is not in your head and won't react immediately to what you do. They also will not likely follow the script you had in your head for a play to work.

Part of it is going for a play and not realizing their whole team is there.

Part of it is possibly intentional if the person decided to troll at some point

Many different things contribute to why it happens.

MagicFlyingLlamaMar 12, 20181 votes

Bad players tend to be perpetually optimistic about causality.

They try the same thing over and over and expect a better outcome this time. That includes inting.

Or they are just so tilted they cant do anything beyond run at the enemy and click the nearest target due to vibrating in fury too hard to use their keyboard.

CynikulMar 12, 20181 votes

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Bad players tend to be perpetually optimistic about causality.

They try the same thing over and over and expect a better outcome this time. That includes inting.

Or they are just so tilted they cant do anything beyond run at the enemy and click the nearest target due to vibrating in fury too hard to use their keyboard.

Are you OK? This perception, or entire way of thinking is not alright. Especially considering your/my rank, we literally have 0 right to call anyone "bad" at this level of play when we're considered the same skill level (even if you don't genuinely believe it, you place where you place for a reason).

MagicFlyingLlamaMar 12, 20181 votes

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Are you OK? This perception, or entire way of thinking is not alright. Especially considering your/my rank, we literally have 0 right to call anyone "bad" at this level of play when we're considered the same skill level (even if you don't genuinely believe it, you place where you place for a reason).

What level of play is this? You appear to be unranked..

And yes, i do have some right to call people bad. I have played everywhere from bronze V to high gold over time and duoing with friends,there is a massive skill disparity between those, and a lot of very poor matchmaking in silver and low gold.

CynikulMar 12, 20181 votes

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What level of play is this? You appear to be unranked..

And yes, i do have some right to call people bad. I have played everywhere from bronze V to high gold over time and duoing with friends,there is a massive skill disparity between those, and a lot of very poor matchmaking in silver and low gold.

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/summoner/na/Cynikul

I too have played in these skill levels, and I'm sure (as have I) played with even a few diamond/platinum players. But as far as silver goes, where both you and I belong, the vast majority (70% of players to be exact) fall between Bronze 5 and Silver 1, so my point is as the general skill level as far as the average player base goes, we're not qualified to call someone bad. I mean, if you believe otherwise, have something to back it up rather than straight up opinion. Poke holes in my argument.

MagicFlyingLlamaMar 12, 20182 votes

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https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/summoner/na/Cynikul

I too have played in these skill levels, and I'm sure (as have I) played with even a few diamond/platinum players. But as far as silver goes, where both you and I belong, the vast majority (70% of players to be exact) fall between Bronze 5 and Silver 1, so my point is as the general skill level as far as the average player base goes, we're not qualified to call someone bad. I mean, if you believe otherwise, have something to back it up rather than straight up opinion. Poke holes in my argument.

Weird how you say i cant judge other player skill, but you decide to place me in silver despite my rank.

No doubt standards, just go away.

CynikulMar 12, 20181 votes

Part of it is going for a play and not realizing their whole team is there.

Probably just this honestly. He tries to set up a flank (smart play), but fails to realize that should the enemy team retract and your team hasn't engage, he'll just straight up die. So to you, it might look like a stupid play despite him potentially setting up a play that gives you all your best chance at winning or for a pick. However , he assumes you all would engage or go in just because he used R to flank. That clearly was not the case.

As someone who plays a lot of TF, I've personally done that and (probably single-handedly) lost matches before. Your team hates you and they sometimes think you're trolling. Despite that, I've also hard carried with TF and set up some amazing plays that won us the game. Sometimes I think its my team's fault for not following me up- however we know that's a logical fallacy because its not their duty to back me up when I go in deep. The safer plays are generally the more intelligent ones when you're behind, as looking for picks could cause tilt, flame wars, or just end the game.

My point is here that- and I promise you this- you've probably had games where you picked a bad fight and your team was just like ?????. It's usually just communication or believing your team will followup and they don't. Unfortunately TF is kind of a do or die pick. If he's ahead, he can ult in and pressure the map. If he's behind, his ults useless- really his only option is to look for plays or use it for vision/cross map wave clear.

AsterfixMar 12, 20181 votes

I've been in really close games with one terrible player on each team my past 3 games and it's never that player that throws the final fight. It's usually the guy in the middle. Just now had a game where the enemy team grabbed baron, we all agreed to wait it out in base. Mumu walks out of base, finds one of them and just goes right into them and gets caught by the rest of their team. Then we died to the 4v5. He was the main source of flame to our bad player and the other teams bad player. He just decided to suicide for no reason.

I don't understand what the cause is they never talk when they go in for it nor do they explain themselves after the game is over. It's just embarrassed silence or maybe they died just so they could end the game. Which is just a shame because a game can go either way based on some tiny insignificant mistake made by any player. They had a pretty fed Olaf who was insanely overconfident and a Braum who constantly tried to walk into us to draw us out, we always killed him afterwards and everybody noted on both of those things. We all knew they were going to make a mistake eventually but the Mumu just decided he wanted the game to end.

PandeonorMar 12, 20181 votes

Well. The Darius in one of my last ranked did exactly this. But not only at last teamfight. He did it several times before in game, lost lane, overstayed, chased in vs jungle without vision. Why? Well. That is what mistakes and bad play is about. Some are bad in micro and good in macro, some other way ´round, some are bad in making good decisions if it is time to prepare teamfights. The think they are right - and maybe sometimes it works.

So what is the reason? Philosophical... diversity of thoughts? ;)

AsterfixMar 12, 20181 votes

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Well. The Darius in one of my last ranked did exactly this. But not only at last teamfight. He did it several times before in game, lost lane, overstayed, chased in vs jungle without vision. Why? Well. That is what mistakes and bad play is about. Some are bad in micro and good in macro, some other way ´round, some are bad in making good decisions if it is time to prepare teamfights. The think they are right - and maybe sometimes it works.

So what is the reason? Philosophical... diversity of thoughts? ;)

I'm not saying it's a player who's just bad at the game / doesn't understand the qualifications for winning, it's just a spur of the moment decision from somebody who's been doing pretty alright all game to just lose an even game.