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Just want to discuss and understand my ban;

Hellhound17·1/28/2020, 11:03:43 PM·2 votes·2,153 views

Hi; Ive been playing league of legends for a number of years now (since season 3) and have enjoyed your game immensely in my play time. 

The sett player in question blatantly bragged about not getting banned previously and went out of his way to illustrate himself as a troll (albeit with some degree of subtlety). He openly stated he was first-timing a champion in ranked play and stated he was giving up in the first few minutes and even threatened to quit the game outright (around the time he bragged about not being punished for afking). Between him and my midlane diana player being negative towards me all game (over a bad jungle invasion) and sett blatantly saying he was going to give up 5 minutes in i was extremely frustrated; and while i didnt conduct myself very well (especially after coming of of multiple games with trolls directly prior) i dont think anything i said was bannable at face value.  What dialog of mine is toxic is inherently toxic by virtue of being defensive and in response to already toxic responses. Although i have trouble seeing to what degree this is even toxic; as again; im responding to incessant players harassing me.

Here is the bann chat log: Game 1 In-Game Hellhound17: you too Hellhound17: seet Hellhound17: chill Hellhound17: until Hellhound17: nice sett Hellhound17: because your top wont come? Hellhound17: also yeah diana Hellhound17: you didnt fight at all Hellhound17: you were full hp Hellhound17: i toke 5 cs Hellhound17: lol but sure free blame Hellhound17: for real Hellhound17: you didnt invade Hellhound17: and i commited to it Hellhound17: im bronze Hellhound17: and invades are more successful in low elo if you ciommit Hellhound17: okay Hellhound17: recover Hellhound17: he is ahead of you bc he invaded Hellhound17: and you didnt Hellhound17: even tho we talked about it all pregame Hellhound17: we pinged it before leaving nexus Hellhound17: and if it doenst work Hellhound17: how are you talking now? Hellhound17: gtfo with that Hellhound17: okay Hellhound17: we still pinge dit Hellhound17: at :01 Hellhound17: lol enjoy your ban Hellhound17: again Hellhound17: enjoy your ban Hellhound17: thats fine Hellhound17: enjoy your ban Hellhound17: ill screen shot this and send it to the riot support page directly Hellhound17: whcih you can do Hellhound17: :D Hellhound17: gj Hellhound17: yup Hellhound17: ff at 15 Hellhound17: lol this diana Hellhound17: yeah plz report him Hellhound17: you dont get to decice who cares and who doesnt. and you dont get to threaten to afk and refuse to communkcate with your team. your toxic. get out Hellhound17: by your own logic. Hellhound17: if nobody cares at this elo. why play ranked? Hellhound17: in other words if you dont care. why play ranked and fuck ppl over? Hellhound17: this sett thas blatantly threated to afk Hellhound17: and blatantly is laughing about not getting banned for ruining ppls games in thechat Hellhound17: dead up Hellhound17: he is a troll Hellhound17: he is lying Hellhound17: he has bltantly stated that he has multiple accounts and wont get banned. and that if he does he wont care bc of that Hellhound17: ill screenshot Hellhound17: thought you didnt? Hellhound17: ill send screenshots of the whole chat. and you guys can see exactly what im talking about Hellhound17: enoughs aid Hellhound17: said Hellhound17: ggwp Hellhound17: report sett plz

20 Comments

Kuthillick1/29/2020, 12:13:16 AM2 votes

While this certainly isn't the worst log I've seen, it's still negative.

First: One report in a game does as many as nine reports. Therefore if you are going to report there is no need to ask others to do so. While asking for others to report in a single instance probably won't get you banned on its own, doing it repetitively over the course of a single game can be considered harassment. There's no need to ask for reports or even tell someone that you are reporting them. It does nothing positive for the game.

Honestly that's the biggest one. The rest of your chat is negative, just nothing in particular to point out.

Before you type ask yourself a couple things: Is what I'm saying said with positive intent? Is it constructive? Am I flaming someone? Do I need to say this?

Also - why argue with your teammates? What good does it do? It distracts from gameplay, lowers morale, and just adds to the problems in the game already.

Tele II1/29/2020, 2:52:30 AM2 votes

Basically just for using the chat to argue and mock others ("enjoy your ban" multiple times). There are no stipulations that allow you to break the rules and using chat to hold debates in the middle of a match over who is doing what and whos getting banned, is against the rules here. You basically contributed to a derailing of a match, where instead of just playing, the players are now focused on a personal arguement that I'm not a part of. I just want to play, will you guys stfu? You know what I mean? I woulda reported all of you lol. Like just play the damn game. No need to announce everything wrong that you see and then continue responding to a troll, which is basically feeding him the sweet salty tears that he wants. Youre literally giving them satisfaction by arguing with trolls.. why do you think people troll?

But I do understand its super frustrating. People suck. Nothing you can do about it really. Definitely dont feed them though, thats the last thing you should do with a troll.

KFCeytron1/29/2020, 3:36:40 AM2 votes

You just came back from a 14-day suspension last week (suspended 1/7 to 1/22). The reform card clearly stated that anymore negativity from you would result in a permaban. In the log you posted, you spent your entire time in chat arguing with a teammate, harassing them, accusing them of trolling, spamming "enjoy your ban," giving up ("ff at 15"), calling for reports, more accusations of trolling... none of this helps you win, and all of it is negative.

Riot doesn't care who started it. Someone else's misbehavior does not justify your own.

From Riot's support knowledgebase:

  • Simply speaking, retaliation is not an acceptable or justifiable behavior. An argument between two players can easily create a negative experience for the rest of the players in the game with you. Regardless of the other player’s actions, this does not justify your own behavior. You alone are responsible for your actions within the game.If you encounter a toxic player like this, the best option is to simply report their behavior and move on.
  • Reports are a vital piece to the puzzle. If you are not sure of what sort of behavior is reportable take a look at the Reporting a Player FAQ

If you misbehave but a teammate or opponent does or says something even worse, you should definitely report them after the match, just as someone reported you for your own misbehavior. Yes, that's certainly possible. Reports are not a limited resource. Any time someone believes that another player violated LoL's behavioral standards, they can report that player. Punishments are similarly not limited: if more than one player in a game merits a punishment, they can both get a punishment. This can happen even if the players in question were antagonizing each other. The IFS doesn't need to weigh the severity of all reported players' actions and then "award" the "winner" with a punishment; it's not a contest.

Think of it like dealing with a noisy person in a library: ask them to keep it down, and then notify library staff and move to another area if that doesn't work. If you get into a shouting match with them, you're just as likely to be removed, even if you weren't shouting quite as loudly as they were. The goal is a quiet library.

You are certainly allowed to defend yourself from toxic chat, which is accomplished by muting. This is a 100% effective method. Flaming back is a 0% effective method that also constitutes unacceptable behavior and thus opens you up to reports and punishments. Read about this in more detail here.

Usually, one transgression by itself wouldn't be enough to bring such a punishment to an otherwise clean account, but the IFS works on an escalating punishment system. Breaking a minor rule, like engaging the team in useless arguments, has a minor punishment: a chat restriction. Breaking that same rule over and over again, however, doesn't prompt an endless series of chat restrictions. The severity of the punishment ramps up over time, because the goal is to eliminate the punished player's willingness to break the game's rules. If two chat restrictions don't stop the useless arguments, the system will increase the punishment to a 14-day suspension and deliver a very clear message that the continued rule-breaking is becoming a serious issue and any further instances will result in a permaban. Again, the point is to put a stop to this misbehavior. If a player is more interested in repeatedly breaking the rules than in maintaining access to their account, they'll lose access to their account.

Of course, it's possible to break major rules, like cheating, threatening people, or using chat for hate speech, and skip punishment tiers so that a clean account ends up with a 14-day suspension or even a permaban.

From Riot's support knowledgebase:

PUNISHMENTS GENERALLY FOLLOW A BASIC ESCALATION PATH:

  • First Offense: 10 Game Chat Restriction
  • Second Offense: 25 Game Chat Restriction
  • Third Offense: Two Week Suspension
  • Fourth Offense: Permanent Suspension

However, it is possible to skip to a Two Week or Permanent suspension based on the severity of the behavior in the game. Excessive negative behavior can result in a Two-Week or Permanent suspension at any time without having a chat restriction on the account.

From Riot's support knowledgebase:

Do not threaten or repeatedly tell a player you will report them. Doing so can encourage players who are already negative to continue their behavior. Whether they know they are being reported or not has no bearing to whether the system will act on them. But most importantly, repeatedly threatening or arguing with a negative player can end up derailing the game for everyone else and then open yourself up to reports and possible disciplinary action as well. Avoid negative thoughts and useless chatting with poor performing teammates! Focus on victory by muting the offending player and then reporting them at the end of the game.

Do not ask other players in the match to report the offending player. It only takes one report for our systems to review a game. Additional reports will not do anything for the offending player; however as mentioned above, it could open yourself up to a report of your own; especially if you are derailing the match by constantly demanding reports of other players.

Yin Yang Taoist1/29/2020, 10:24:37 PM2 votes

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Hi; Ive been playing league of legends for a number of years now (since season 3) and have enjoyed your game immensely in my play time. 

The sett player in question blatantly bragged about not getting banned previously and went out of his way to illustrate himself as a troll (albeit with some degree of subtlety). He openly stated he was first-timing a champion in ranked play and stated he was giving up in the first few minutes and even threatened to quit the game outright (around the time he bragged about not being punished for afking). Between him and my midlane diana player being negative towards me all game (over a bad jungle invasion) and sett blatantly saying he was going to give up 5 minutes in i was extremely frustrated; and while i didnt conduct myself very well (especially after coming of of multiple games with trolls directly prior) i dont think anything i said was bannable at face value.  What dialog of mine is toxic is inherently toxic by virtue of being defensive and in response to already toxic responses. Although i have trouble seeing to what degree this is even toxic; as again; im responding to incessant players harassing me.

Here is the bann chat log: Game 1 In-Game Hellhound17: you too Hellhound17: seet Hellhound17: chill Hellhound17: until Hellhound17: nice sett Hellhound17: because your top wont come? Hellhound17: also yeah diana Hellhound17: you didnt fight at all Hellhound17: you were full hp Hellhound17: i toke 5 cs Hellhound17: lol but sure free blame Hellhound17: for real Hellhound17: you didnt invade Hellhound17: and i commited to it Hellhound17: im bronze Hellhound17: and invades are more successful in low elo if you ciommit Hellhound17: okay Hellhound17: recover Hellhound17: he is ahead of you bc he invaded Hellhound17: and you didnt Hellhound17: even tho we talked about it all pregame Hellhound17: we pinged it before leaving nexus Hellhound17: and if it doenst work Hellhound17: how are you talking now? Hellhound17: gtfo with that Hellhound17: okay Hellhound17: we still pinge dit Hellhound17: at :01 Hellhound17: lol enjoy your ban Hellhound17: again Hellhound17: enjoy your ban Hellhound17: thats fine Hellhound17: enjoy your ban Hellhound17: ill screen shot this and send it to the riot support page directly Hellhound17: whcih you can do Hellhound17: :D Hellhound17: gj Hellhound17: yup Hellhound17: ff at 15 Hellhound17: lol this diana Hellhound17: yeah plz report him Hellhound17: you dont get to decice who cares and who doesnt. and you dont get to threaten to afk and refuse to communkcate with your team. your toxic. get out Hellhound17: by your own logic. Hellhound17: if nobody cares at this elo. why play ranked? Hellhound17: in other words if you dont care. why play ranked and fuck ppl over? Hellhound17: this sett thas blatantly threated to afk Hellhound17: and blatantly is laughing about not getting banned for ruining ppls games in thechat Hellhound17: dead up Hellhound17: he is a troll Hellhound17: he is lying Hellhound17: he has bltantly stated that he has multiple accounts and wont get banned. and that if he does he wont care bc of that Hellhound17: ill screenshot Hellhound17: thought you didnt? Hellhound17: ill send screenshots of the whole chat. and you guys can see exactly what im talking about Hellhound17: enoughs aid Hellhound17: said Hellhound17: ggwp Hellhound17: report sett plz

Don't say anything to trolls. Calling a troll exactly what he is can get you punished as well. The reason for your punishment was primarily asking for reports. One report or multiple do the same thing so you don't need to ask for 'em. Just mute-report, don't talk to the Troll - per Riot's policy. If you argue, flame back etc. it can get you punished as well. Hope this helps! Sorry, OP. I noticed that you were harassed and got the short end of the stick but that's how Riot's policy works atm so. [cass-cry]

Hellhound171/28/2020, 11:07:30 PM1 votes

Im genuinely unsure if this is an error on the part of the system or how this was bannable given that im interacting with someone who is trolling me. I would appreciate any response if someone could take the time, and would also like to know if there is anyway to access the full chat log? Thanks.

GrenadesAndHamm1/30/2020, 12:03:05 AM1 votes

Lets be honest, bans make Riot money. That's really all it's about. They make no attempt to ban toxic people, just accounts. Why? So they have to start over.

It would be easy for Riot to require some sort of verification to play the game, then ban people. They make no attempt to do that. They make far more money banning the thousands of people each year and making them open new accounts in hopes they spend money.

If you think there is any other reason, then you're foolish.

Why?

If they can chat restrict you for 14/28 games, they can turn your chat off. Why not just do that to toxic people? Just turn their chat off.

Because they make more money leaving it on and letting you get banned.