How bannable are these strange behaviors?

Everyones·11/24/2015, 6:52:49 PM·5 votes·1,633 views

Wondering if any of you have stories of yourselves or others being banned for any of these. Would like to know so I can gauge how punishable riot finds these. Thank you.

1: Playing an offmeta solo laner or jungle.

2: Playing an anticarry (or other) instead of an adc as the cs'ing member of bot.

3: Playing an underpowered/nonmeta champ and doing poorly on it (example: urgot)

4: Splitting or taking some CS as the nonADC member of bot (for a strategy, not because of rage)

5: Not buying a sightstone or buying a late sightstone as Support.

6: Playing a champion that is usually ad/ap as the opposite (in the case of ad to ap, if it has at least one ap ratio)

7: Laning with smite. (additionally laning with smite and taking nearby jungle minions)

I've been playing off and on since s1 and got banned right after tribunal came out because my ranked main was sona mid. I had previously assumed that playing offmeta was not a bannable offense, but after the ban I found out from riot that my use of sona as a solo lane really was the cause of the ban.

I have been absent a few years and much of the last 2 seasons so i'm wondering how prevalent bans for certain behaviors are so I can fine tune how much and when I do them to avoid such bans. Btw, one of my fav things to do in game is experiment with new champs and strategies and positions and builds and such and learn as much as I can (that's how I've found most of my mains over the years).

27 Comments

alasarcher11/24/2015, 6:53:59 PM12 votes

None of that is banable.

lofi n chillhop11/24/2015, 6:59:13 PM4 votes

if people are being banned today because they main an unusual champion, then I'm very disappointed in riot.

if someone is being toxic or a troll in some way however, or cheating, then that's bannable no matter what champs they main.

I think, that playing only off meta champs but not dedicating one or two as a main, should be considered trolling in ranked. the whole reason why one or two unusal picks is fine is when the player plays them so much their mechanics and matchup knowledge is really strong.

if you find yourself constantly fighting with your teamates, putting them down or otherwise being disrespectful or hurtful to them, or making plays that are counter to the team's path to victory, that's the kind of behavior you want to change.

LGBTCute11/24/2015, 11:22:59 PM3 votes

Unfortunately, the automated banning system means that Riot doesn't decide what bannable offenses are.

The players do, and a lot of players spam the report system for any reason whatsoever. I frequently get reported for "offensive language" in games where I say ABSOLUTELY NOTHING the entire game, including pre and post lobby.

Other "bannable" offenses the community frowns upon:

  1. Split pushing.
  2. Avoiding fights when the other team is fed.
  3. As a jungler, not being able to gank all three lanes at once.
  4. As a support, you better have a lot of kills, because assists don't count.
  5. Frontline tank, who is focused on protecting carrys? Better not take any damage, because if you die you will get reported.
  6. Defending your nexus turrets against superminions when the rest of the team wants to chase Ahri through an unwarded jungle.
  7. Losing the game.

I've found that i get report Notifications A LOT when I play Nasus for example. Nasus basically stacks his queue and split pushes all game, and though I will help my team in an emergency or a critically important objective, Nasus's job is to split push and force the enemy team to choose between dealing with him or dealing with the rest of his team. Most toxic players don't really understand strategy, they just run around the map trying to increase their kill score, regardless of what it costs the team. Then, when too much "kill chasing" ends up costing the team, they decide to just report the player with the lowest kill score.

I've also found assassins tend to be the most toxic players, as they don't respect their declining powerspikes as the game goes on. They just think "well I got a lot of kills in the early game, but now I can't kill the enemy tank since he's had 30 minutes to stack tank items, so it must be my team's fault".

So this is the situation right now, and unfortunately the deluge of "I got banned unjustly" threads by obviously toxic players are reducing the credibility of good, friendly players who are getting unjustly banned for ridiculous reasons.

Riot isn't doing anything much about it, although removing report categories like "unskilled" and "refusing to communicate" is a step in the right direction.

The only comforting thought is that this happens to most players in Solo Q if they lose a game. Eventually, enough players will get tired of getting griefed by false reports that Riot may fix it.

In the meantime, either queue with friends, or type "/mute all" at the beginning of Solo Q games. Right now, those are the only two ways to avoid getting banned by the toxic players who like to spam revenge reports when they lose. I would say the third way to avoid getting banned is to just win 100% of your games, but I've found that some players will report their teammates even if they won.

TL;DR - mute, never use the chatroom or just queue with friends. Everyone has the power to ban right now - the current report system is like Riot giving everyone a machine gun and hoping only "bad people" would get shot.

SmokedAlmonds11/24/2015, 10:30:15 PM2 votes

You will not get banned specifically for anything of those things. However many of them will draw a lot of hate from the players you encounter. They are going to be looking for reasons to report you. So you are not ever going to get away with even minor infractions that might have been overlooked and not reported otherwise.

Malaborath11/24/2015, 6:54:57 PM2 votes

it's even worse now. this game is giving me cancer.

Masala Chai11/25/2015, 9:26:55 PM2 votes

1: Lyte said it is possible, especially if your team doesn't want an offmeta player 2: See above 3: Absolutely not bannable, if the meta says that is where the champion belongs 4: Only if the AD agrees 5: Not bannable in any way 6: See 1 7: Viable with some.

Zielmann11/24/2015, 8:29:56 PM1 votes

To all of the above: Not inherently bannable. Some specific comments:

  1. Shouldn't be an issue at all, so long as you're trying. Expect to meet some allied resistance, so be ready to just ignore people or mute them.

  2. Kill lanes are fine. If solo-queue, I would advise communicating with the team in advance so they know what to expect.

  3. As long as you're trying, you'll be fine. Having a bad game isn't a punishable offense. Remember, "Feeding" isn't a report category, "Intentional Feeding" is.

  4. If it's for strategy, make sure you communicate this to avoid raising tensions.

  5. There are no 'required' items for specific champs or roles. I wouldn't advise skipping sightstone on support (especially now that you can combine it with your gold gen item), but nobody can force you to do so.

  6. As long as it makes some degree of sense on the champion, trying an alternative build on something is okay.

  7. Again, I'd say just communicate, especially if you plan to take jungle minions. No restrictions on what summoner spells you're allowed to take.

And no, nobody has been banned for solely doing these things. If they're getting banned after trying an alternative build, for example, it's because they caved in and responded poorly when people on their team called them out on it. I'm certain that the ban you received way back when was not solely because of playing mid Sona. Tribunal wouldn't have voted to punish for just that.

Ipols11/24/2015, 11:12:08 PM1 votes

If you still read this post tell me, Id' like to give my opinion without wasting time :)

Thrëat11/24/2015, 6:59:47 PM1 votes

All of those can flag automatic bans due to the fact that the system is fully automated and all it seems to care about is how many reports you get. You will probably get the ban reversed if you didn't say a SINGLE bad thing in any of your games. If you said "Bad" at all though, you won't have your ban reversed, because saying "Bad" once or twice is perma-ban worthy. If you didn't say a single thing the ban will be reversed after about a month of fighting with support through tickets and dealing with their automated messages.

Espurr VI11/25/2015, 1:41:35 AM1 votes
  1. Not punishable
  2. Not punishable
  3. Depends on situation
  4. Not punishable
  5. Not punishable
  6. Depends on situation
  7. Depends on situation

If the player is purposely doing various behaviors intentionally as a form of rage, they can be punishable offenses, but if they're experimenting or have an idea in mind, it is not a punishable offense.

Everyones11/25/2015, 3:38:31 AM1 votes

Thank you everyone. It is reassuring to see zero stories of people getting banned for this sort of thing now. That's really all I wanted to know, and now I can experiment more comfortably. <3

It is a semi-long story about how I know it was specifically my playing of sona mid that got me banned instead of any other behaviors. TBH it doesn't really matter though because it was VERY long ago (right after the tribunal debut) and it seems things function differently now (so I don't want to go out of my way to hatemonger against a good company).

I had feared what Khurby suggested; That the automated system was still resulting in bans for what players reported. Because players DO report for nonmeta picks often. Nice that, from this small sample size at least, there seems to be no evidence of those reports resulting in anything.

1ZslqTY3fd11/26/2015, 6:26:07 AM1 votes

how about feeding non stop for hundreds of games? that doesn't seem too bannable either

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=ioewasddsjpfasd

OhBoyItsaMegaman11/24/2015, 8:36:12 PM1 votes

Uh, have any evidence to back up Riot's stance on solo lane Sona? Because that's not bannable in and of itself.

It's all about intent. If you do any of the above things because your intent is to win and you think that's an effective way to win, then you're not breaking any rules and you don't deserve any punishment. But if someone were to play, say, AD Lissandra because they want their team to get upset, that would be punishable. If you know that the champion or build is ineffective and you're playing it anyway, it carries the strong implication that you are not trying to win.