Experienced players in Intro room

Lanthanotus·Apr 1, 2016·45 votes·4,434 views

I started playing 2 days ago and I'm still learning the basics. In the Intro room of player v bot I get swamped by players of level 30+ - Isn't this where newbies can go and learn about the controls to use, the different champions and their skills/spells etc? Instead, there are players getting 250+ minion kills and 28/0/0 - where my stats are more like 30-60 minion kills and 4/4/8.

I'll be working on a champion and just as their health is almost gone, someone will just appear behind me and take the last strike - over and over again! How do I stop this happening?

I've reported the players but still, it just ruins trying to learn, and it makes me want to say screw it, the game isn't worth it when you have this type of jerk before you're even in battles.

64 Comments

TrylobyteApr 1, 201615 votes

Considering experienced players can stomp that hard in intermediate bots I have no idea why they'd bother with intro bots. I wouldn't mind seeing it 'roped off' for the under-level-15 sect.

leaugesbaneApr 2, 20162 votes

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Considering experienced players can stomp that hard in intermediate bots I have no idea why they'd bother with intro bots. I wouldn't mind seeing it 'roped off' for the under-level-15 sect.

its not limited to experience players im new but had a good teacher and bots are easy to read if i where to goto pvp id get shit on for all kinds of reasons

shyvApr 2, 20161 votes

i feel like this is stupid and unecessary tbh

i play beginner bot games for first win when i don't have a lot of time

intermediate bot games take way longer

it's not like i'm going into bot games to show off or flame new players, i stay in my lane, i practice, i farm, i help people if they ask for it or if i notice that someone is a new player i might give them some advice.

sometimes i play support when nobody else wants to

i find bot games fun.. no reason to take it away just because some experienced players are assholes about it

TrylobyteApr 2, 20162 votes

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i feel like this is stupid and unecessary tbh

i play beginner bot games for first win when i don't have a lot of time

intermediate bot games take way longer

it's not like i'm going into bot games to show off or flame new players, i stay in my lane, i practice, i farm, i help people if they ask for it or if i notice that someone is a new player i might give them some advice.

sometimes i play support when nobody else wants to

i find bot games fun.. no reason to take it away just because some experienced players are assholes about it

We're talking about Intro bots, which is the step below Beginner bots.

shyvApr 3, 20161 votes

TIL league has intro level bots

can't believe i never noticed that before considering i play a bot game like every single day

sorry!

paisyApr 3, 20161 votes

Supports aren't needed in bots, no role is lol

shyvApr 3, 20161 votes

obviously no role is needed in bots but if i see a new player pick adc then i'll pick a support to help them out

FearEngineerApr 1, 201611 votes

It can be very annoying. My friends lost interest in trying to learn the game due to the amount of people who are allowed to disrupt low level games. Unfortunately "smurfing" is given a huge thumbs up by this games community.

LanthanotusApr 2, 20165 votes

I'm on the border of doing so myself (losing interest) - do you know of any similar games that don't have such a problem with this smurfing?

TrylobyteApr 2, 201612 votes

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I'm on the border of doing so myself (losing interest) - do you know of any similar games that don't have such a problem with this smurfing?

Smurfing's a problem in every game that offers free accounts. Which is pretty much every MOBA. Your best bet is to find a group of players who you like playing with and run games with them. Pretty sure one was mentioned above that focuses on helping people learn?

Alternatively, you can set up custom games with yourself as the only human player and avoid the problem of smurfs altogether until you're more comfortable with getting the odd smurf in bot games.

ErdrikApr 2, 20166 votes

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Alternatively, you can set up custom games with yourself as the only human player and avoid the problem of smurfs altogether until you're more comfortable with getting the odd smurf in bot games.

^This. If you are still learning, start a custom match with a password so its just you and the bots.

Void NargacugaApr 1, 201610 votes

I'm level 30 but the only time I've ever gone into the intro bots is so I can help someone I got into the game understand it a little better. I don't get why some players go into intro bots solo. Sure I'll do intermediate bots to try out a champion or get use to their combos (Like Riven for example). But intro bots seems... Ridiculous.

Mama SorakaApr 2, 20167 votes

This is truly upsetting to hear that other 30s are ruining intro bot games. I'd prefer it if we didn't have to restrict 30s from playing with you guys since I like to jump in as Soraka, Sona, or Alistar and help whoever seems to be having the hardest time playing have a fun match. If its really turning into a problem though, I'd sooner see us 30s gated out than have any more ruined matches.

disregardableApr 1, 20164 votes

I'm sorry, but that's not against the rules. League is a team game. A lot of the time your teammates are going to do better than you and take the last hits. I know you're trying to learn, but that's a part of League that you can't avoid no matter how good you are.

Bots are supposed to be pretty fun and easy, try to relax and enjoy the ride.

LanthanotusApr 1, 20169 votes

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I'm sorry, but that's not against the rules. League is a team game. A lot of the time your teammates are going to do better than you and take the last hits. I know you're trying to learn, but that's a part of League that you can't avoid no matter how good you are.

Bots are supposed to be pretty fun and easy, try to relax and enjoy the ride.

It may not be against the rules, but it IS unfair to new players - to be in a match with 2 experienced players taking all the kills and the match taking 10 minutes so you don't get to experience much of the game play - it's rude and obnoxious. Players over a certain level should be barred from Intro matches.

GlaedrApr 2, 20161 votes

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It may not be against the rules, but it IS unfair to new players - to be in a match with 2 experienced players taking all the kills and the match taking 10 minutes so you don't get to experience much of the game play - it's rude and obnoxious. Players over a certain level should be barred from Intro matches.

Well first off, that's not their problem, that's Riot's problem. I occasionally do bot matches just to make sure my Internet is working fine, since I expect to get matched with other players around level 30 who don't care and just want a quick match.

Other times I'm playing with friends who just started playing. Why should be kicked out of Intro bots just because it "ruins" the learning experience? You can only learn so much from bot-games and people taking your kills does not affect it. All you're going to be learning is basic champion mechanics, a very small bit of decision making, how to last hit minions, and how to abuse the AI.

AkeydelApr 2, 20161 votes

hop into a custom to check your internet, you wont have to waste 15 minutes A lot of league is how champions interact with each other. You cant learn that if the enemy team is constantly dead. And if all the kills are split between one or two people, the rest are left with very little gold, very little actual gameplay, and very little fun.

FearEngineerApr 1, 201611 votes

LOL really?

'Sorry man, you need to learn to respect people who come and disrupt the bot games where new players are learning.'

I found a picture of you playing basketball, superstar.

https://imgur.com/ertGeNx

lildyoApr 2, 20164 votes

hi OP, I'd just like to say I'm one of those lvl 30 players that you sometimes see. I've talked with other players and this is the common reason many of them will do an intro game: a quick win for the First Win of the Day bonus. There are some days I don't even have 20 minutes to spare for a game, so I'll pop in and do a quick win. I generally take a solo lane or jungle so that I don't impede other players' lanes/learning. I generally just push my lane to win, or sometimes stall if another player asks me to.

I wish other players would be more respectful towards you :(

M0RDEKA1SERApr 2, 20163 votes

Except intro bot games aren't eligible for a first win of the day bonus. Only beginner and intermediate bots are.

lildyoApr 2, 20165 votes

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Except intro bot games aren't eligible for a first win of the day bonus. Only beginner and intermediate bots are.

oh I got that confused. I guess I do beginner then. Don't see why even a smurf would do intro.

Apologies, I definitely agree with the OP even more then.

M0RDEKA1SERApr 2, 20163 votes

I'm not going to lie, I do the same thing, for the same reason. Don't have time for a real match, and gotta get that first win bonus.

High levels just crashing in intro bots is stupid, no matter how you slice it.

leaugesbaneApr 2, 20161 votes

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I'm not going to lie, I do the same thing, for the same reason. Don't have time for a real match, and gotta get that first win bonus.

High levels just crashing in intro bots is stupid, no matter how you slice it.

its not bad less they are being toxic about it communication goes a long way its something lyte has openly destroyed though cause of how worried over bans people are.

AkeydelApr 2, 20162 votes

What kind of "communication" that "goes a long way" involves getting banned? You get banned for abuse or harassment; that doesnt include MOST communication.

DeloricVIApr 1, 20163 votes

You, my friend have encountered the oh-so-common, the oh-so-slimy low-level smurf. Smurfing is a big problem in this community, especially for players like yourself. Hell, it's problem for bronzies like myself, who get people from diamond tier with accounts that are in bronze just because they're bored and want to stomp some noobs.

They really hurt the community, because, as I've said before, you can't learn how to play this game if you just get your face kicked in. There are some things you can learn from these players, but a lot of players like yourself just get confused because they're doing advanced shit that you don't even know exists. They're probably using flash, where you described; it's the bread-and-butter summoner spells of the higher elo. Everyone takes flash, but takes some getting used to. To a new player that doesn't know all of the summoner spells it's probably confusing at first.

Honestly, I've been thinking that smurfing should be a reportable offense, but according to Riot it's pretty much impossible to enforce, and logically, they should win; they're better than you. According to riot, that's pretty much all that matters.

AkeydelApr 2, 20161 votes

Correct me if i'm wrong, but doesnt the matchmaking system internally mark smurfs and match them with other smurfs or high-skill players of similar levels? That doesnt help the initial games before they're recognized, but does do a bit to alleviate the problem.

DeloricVIApr 2, 20161 votes

In theory, yes. However, it's not a literal "mark." It's more like their MMR will eventually lead them to be matched high, eventually, with other smurfs or actual higher level players on their first time around. The problem comes in when 1) smurfs start a new account, and 2) when a new player actually starts kind of doing well for themselves only to get beaten down by smurfs. Also, this system is easy abused if the smurf wants to continue at a lower level; all that they would need to do is throw a few games.

OgredogDec 4, 20171 votes

No. There seems to be no local matching at all. Mist times I have found 30 plus level players using insane champs in intros. Sure they all claim their lanes. But they will insist on solo play and get on your shit 💩 even if you are support in the lane. Keeping to themselves is NOT actually NOT affecting new players. They occupy lanes that new players should be in. And learning. I was just in to grab a handful of sp to level with Sona. I was rebuffed in all three lanes even to just heal. If that is what is intented in intro games, that's messed up. I really dont think that is what intro was intended to be.

Supreme Senpai69Apr 2, 20163 votes

I play bot games because they're fun and sometimes you just want to kill everything as fast as you can. But this shouldn't be happening in the intro bot games. That's stupid

Yosuke ApperuApr 2, 20163 votes

Bro, add me up and we can play some bot games, and i'll just support ya =]

EDIT: oops you're not na >. <

Whazup4341Apr 2, 20163 votes

5/7

Awkward CouchApr 1, 20162 votes

Well, my advice to you would be to check out reddit.com/r/summonerschool It's a place for players to learn and hopefully you can meet someone who can play with you and teach you the ropes.

LanthanotusApr 1, 20161 votes

Thanks Awkward Couch - I've done a fair bit of reading, I'm just now wanting to try things out. I learn better by doing.

LanthanotusApr 2, 20161 votes

I've been waiting in the Summoner School chat room for a few hours waiting for someone to play with or chat to..... guess it must be a bad time of day as there's only one other person and they aren't talking?

Awkward CouchApr 2, 20162 votes

Sorry I was at work, It might be that it's a friday night and people are out drinking. It could also be that you are on the OCE server, where there is probably a lot of players on EUW or NA.

RisenDarkKnightApr 1, 20162 votes

I I recall correctly, players past lvl 10 get no IP or XP from intro bot games. So they have no real incentive to play them. Of course, Riot could disable high-lvl players from joining those games at all, but that would just force people to create more smurfs if they wanted to play the first game with a friend who they want to try league.

GavranApr 2, 20162 votes

Well, here is some news for you:

By reporting those people you are lowering the weight your reports have on the system - that's because you're consistently reporting people who aren't breaking the rules or doing anything reportable.
"Taking kills" isn't a thing. Only bad players think it is.
You can start another match, queue with a full group, or make a custom game.
These players aren't hurting your learning - fighting bots doesn't really teach you anything other than how your champion's abilities work, and they aren't stopping you from doing that.

LanthanotusApr 2, 20168 votes

Are you saying all this because you're one of these ppl jumping in bot rooms?

I have been playing for 2 days, obviously I'm not a good player - don't be such a jerk! - When I'm in a lane on my own slowly killing an enemy and then another player (on a much higher level than me) comes up and finishes it off - yes, that is taking a kill.

It actually is stopping me from learning as the games end in about 10 minutes, I don't get the chance to kill many bots, and don't get the chance to kill many champions - they are being slaughtered by higher ranked players - who can then buy items worth 3500 while I'm looking at 1500 items.

I also do not get much of a chance to try out these different items because the bots are being killed faster by these ppl than I can kill them so I'm not earning enough gold.

There is a huge difference when it is all learner players - the game goes for much longer, we work together (as no-one is out-slaughtering others from their extensive experience). It is also much friendlier without higher ranked ppl - who just come in to stomp on newbies

LanthanotusApr 2, 20165 votes

Oh, and newbies don't take the P*** and abuse other players because the character they chose apparently is "wrong" and had 0 kills

GavranApr 2, 20162 votes

No, I'm saying it because your complaint hinges on several false assumptions. For transparency, I do often get my first of day out of the way in a bot match (though certainly not the intro bots), and I don't hold back when I do so, nor do I waste time farming kills, just killing the bots in between me and their nexus.

Sorry - that's on me, I don't mean to call you a bad player, obviously that's a pretty silly thing to say to someone who is new and trying to learn. What I meant to say is, if someone complains to you of taking kills they're a bad player - the idea that kills belong to a specific person and that your teammate getting a kill is not a good thing is inherently a bad one. In bot games it doesn't matter much, but in pvp that attitude will cost you (and them) games.

As for learning, we simply have to disagree here. The useful things you can learn from bots are basic mechanics, and you can learn those just fine in any game long enough to get your ult (and I know from experience it takes teamwork and effort to end a game before that point.)

Friendliness is a player by player thing. It's probably true (and pretty sad) that newer players trend toward friendlier, but that doesn't mean experienced players are all jerks. The worst I've done in a bot game is go to the lane of someone who was trying to order the other players around. (This applies to your other post too. There aren't "wrong" champions in bot games, and there are barely wrong champions in pvp games. That's also something that bad players cling to.)

AkeydelApr 2, 20164 votes

Just because something isn't reportable, doesn't mean its encouraged. Not everything immoral is illegal. Taking kills CAN definitely be a bad thing. As an adc you'd probably resent a support who deliberately and obviously takes every kill. Bots are probably the BEST way for someone to learn the game, if they dont have much experience with mobas. Learning how to navigate with the camera, cast abilities, figure out what items to build, all without continuous pressure from a (possibly) more skillful opponent; bot games are the IDEAL place to learn the game from scratch. You can't learn how to chase and kill a fleeing enemy if someone else comes in and bursts them down immediately. Same for trading in lane, or managing cs while being harassed.

GavranApr 2, 20161 votes

Discouraged or not, reporting for things that aren't against the rules will lower the weight your future reports have.

As an adc I have never once complained when a support takes a kill, and as a support main I have taken hundreds of kills for all kinds of reasons. The idea that gold isn't good on supports is outdated and unhelpful.

I agree bots are an excellent, definitely the best way to learn basic mechanics from controls to abilities to CSing. Not so much items, guides will steer you much better there until you understand the items enough to decide on the fly. My point was that you can practice all of those things just as well in a short game as a long one. Hell, CSing without items is better practice than with by far. The bot AI doesn't trade or harass or CS so you can't really learn those skills from them. It only fights or flees.

AkeydelApr 2, 20162 votes

CSing without items is better practice

Sure its better practice for those who understand the game, and need to improve their CS count. Intro bots is aimed at people who need to understand the concept of killing lots of minions to get gold and get a feel for it ingame. If you have a smurf taking every kill and a lot of cs (they're probably better at that too) then said new player never gets enough gold to buy any items, and never gets to experience real scaling, which is arguably the most fun part of the game. Plus the actual combat between champs is very much lost if your teammates do it all.

RamboDash15Apr 2, 20162 votes

I would suggest making a custom game against a bot, just it and you. That way you can learn the full controls without someone taking all your kills, you can learn to farm and also learn some champions. It may not be the best way but it won't ave dickheads in it.

JabberwöckyApr 2, 20162 votes

Intro bots, should have a level cap of level 15, then normal bots should be level 25, then when you hit 30, you can do hard/nightmare bots.

Gimpy89Apr 6, 20161 votes

i would love nightmare bots. give them the urf buff LOL.

JabberwöckyApr 6, 20161 votes

yup and if you can beat the urf bots, you get 50 rp. ayyy?

FOAdN6ur1cApr 3, 20162 votes

You're playing robots.. get over it

Gimpy89Apr 6, 20161 votes

you shouldn't report people for plating intro bots at level 30. That is terrible to do. Unless they are saying mean things to you in chat they are not doing anything wrong at all. Often they just want a quick win to get their daily IP bonus and they have the right to play bots to get it fast.

Also you should get the idea that stealing kills is bad out of your head as early as possible. Unless a kill is guaranteed anyone should be able to take it regardless of who did more damage (its a team game). If the kill is guaranteed the champion with the best scaling SHOULD KS it (usually the ADC). I love it when people come to my lane and kill my lane opponent. the only exception to this is a penta. never ks a penta.

Stiff GoatApr 23, 20181 votes

I just played the top lane in a beginner & a lvl 99 kept stealing all my kills. Pissed me off bad. This happens almost every game I play & I say screw this stupid ass game. I'm trying to learn how to play & it's the same crap every game. So long !!!