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Arterigon·1/2/2018, 5:32:46 PM·7 votes·776 views

One thing I've always wondered is why does Riot take a harder stance on toxicity over intentional feeders and people who troll games? I admit I'm toxic, shouldn't be. Hate on me if you want, its just my personality. For whatever reason, this game gets me heated more than any other game. I've tried quitting many times because I'm toxic but just can't because I'm too addicted. But that's not the point of this post.

I'd say 75% of the time I've been toxic its due to people trolling my games. I know you get in-client messages for punished players. In the 3 years I've played this game, I've never once gotten a message from a player who has trolled. Even though I've gotten probably 50 messages from other toxic players being punished for toxicity.

Why is this allowed in league of legends? I'm not trying to justify being toxic because I know it's wrong and I shouldn't do it. But honestly if they actually decided to punish people for ruining games and there would be more fear of getting banned, maybe there would be less trolls as a whole? Just my thoughts on the situation.

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LostFr0st1/2/2018, 5:46:35 PM8 votes

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One thing I've always wondered is why does Riot take a harder stance on toxicity over intentional feeders and people who troll games? I admit I'm toxic, shouldn't be. Hate on me if you want, its just my personality. For whatever reason, this game gets me heated more than any other game. I've tried quitting many times because I'm toxic but just can't because I'm too addicted. But that's not the point of this post.

Long story short---> They don't. Chat toxicity leads to 10-game chat restrictions, then 25-game, then a 14-day ban, then a perma. Gameplay toxicity (once detected) gives a straight-up 14-day ban, then a perma if detected again.

I'd say 75% of the time I've been toxic its due to people trolling my games. I know you get in-client messages for punished players. In the 3 years I've played this game, **I've never once gotten a message from a player who has trolled. Even though I've gotten probably 50 messages from other toxic players being punished for toxicity. **

This bit is confusing. How does one tell a message of punishment for a troll vs. chat toxic player apart? We don't receive the summoner name in the message...

Why is this allowed in league of legends? I'm not trying to justify being toxic because I know it's wrong and I shouldn't do it. But honestly if they actually decided to punish people for ruining games and there would be more fear of getting banned, maybe there would be less trolls as a whole? Just my thoughts on the situation.

It's not allowed (as mentioned above) and is severely punished. The problem is that the definition of "trolling" is subjective, while toxic chat is very clear-cut. When someone reports for chat, Riot can clearly check the chat and see "yep they said xyz and that's indeed toxic."

For trolling, many of the reports are just people taking out their rage for losing the game on their team. They don't care if their toplaner legit got camped and dove under tower so died, they're just angry about losing the game and want someone punished. They don't want to step up and do something on the map while the enemy jg is known to be top.

The biggest problem is that many times they don't even fill out the comment box and tell Riot how they can tell the person was trolling in-game. Filling out that box is HUGE and narrows down what Riot needs to check.

Were they running it down mid? --- Write it down. Following you in Jg? --- Write it down. Telling the enemy your location? --- Write it down.

Without that info it's easier to overlook/miss the trolling.

tldr: Riot wasn't in the game, they need that info to find the instances of trolling easier.

ModThe Djinn1/2/2018, 5:37:35 PM6 votes

Trolling, griefing, and intentional feeding are not allowed. In fact, they are aggressively bad whenever they are identified. The problem is that those behaviors are a lot harder to detect then toxic in-game communication, and it often takes longer to confirm that behavior. This is especially true with intentional feeding or in game trolling such as following someone around and taking all their minions, because killing minions is something that happens in a game, and being bad and dying a lot is allowed as long as you aren't doing it intentionally.

As a result, you tend to see less punishments go out for this, because while your reports add to the pile of evidence, but it also takes longer for the system to be confident a punishment is warranted.

Karunamon1/2/2018, 6:42:32 PM3 votes

why does Riot take a harder stance on toxicity over intentional feeders and people who troll games?

They don't in policy, but it's a lot easier to automatically punish people based on things like "kys" than it is to determine if that "feeder" was actually feeding or just having an awful game. And given the chatlogs that wind up here, most people don't know the difference.

No, you can't just go off of KDA - not without a huge false positive rate.

Kei1431/2/2018, 6:20:55 PM3 votes

Alot of times people mistake feeding with inting / griefing / trolling. They are different things.

Feeding can be caused by many things, being bad, being outplayed, being camped are all part of it. None of those reasons for feeding can be punished. Only when someone displays a clear intent to loose the game is when it is punishable.

People report others for inting / griefing falsely too much, and it clouds the data can learn from, thus making the reports super unreliable and much harder for the system to make a decision on whether there is a clear intent of loosing, which is also why you see inters / griefers less punished. Not because they want it to, but because everything else clouding the data too much.

General Esdeath 1/2/2018, 6:32:32 PM2 votes

I'll make this simple, they punish both, one is just a hundred thousand times easier to detect just by chat logs. I don't have to watch your replay to know that you calling Thresh a racial slur is wrong. I'd have to watch it to see where Thresh died and how he died to decide if he's inting or not.

Arterigon1/2/2018, 7:19:58 PM1 votes

I shouldn't be toxic, and yes I was wrong for reacting the way I did. Honestly don't know how to play the game without being frustrated. It's probably in my best interest to quit playing but I barely have any other games to keep me interested long enough. I know personally if I had the satisfaction of seeing the players also get punished for inting, I'd probably be more likely to be less toxic. Still not trying to make excuses because its not justified, I just feel like I wish I could see the player actually get punished.

Nosferous1/3/2018, 10:11:29 PM1 votes

Some people are just legit bad, or learning to play a champ, unfortunately it happened to be during your game. Even high ELO players have to learn a new champ and become good, maybe they aren't trolling 100% of the time and they can't control their skill level or don't notice they're over-extending, making poor calls to dive, etc... You can control what you type in chat and on that keyboard. That's the difference.