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Riot Needs to Get Real with this permaban stuff

LesserPro··3 votes·822 views

Ok so I'm going to be straight up honest, ya I'm toxic and will leave games if it is a lost cause. But after spending at least $500 and the time put in and then getting permabaned is a real piss off. I have played other mobas and I can honestly say none has more hate for the creator than league.

But they need a new system. Lets look at Dota 2 for example if you leave a ranked game your team gets bonus gold and ex to make up for it and you automatically lose mmr (LP) . if you continue to leave games or are toxic (Ranked or unranked) you will be sent to low priority. For those who don't know low priority is where you are forced to play with other players who leave games and are toxic. The only way to get out is to win 3-5 games. So you actually have to learn to work with your team and it makes you a better player.

Permabanning people is not the solution. All you do is get hate from the community and you look like a**es. I can honestly say I have never seen anyone permabanned in Dota 2 before and in league it is like every other person has been permabanned. All your doing when you permaban someone is making them hate you and they will repeat the cycle. Ya you still get trolls in games but no where near the frequency that league has. Once you permaban someone they have nothing left so whats stopping them from making a new account and just trolling for fun. they have nothing left to lose.

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Horse Grenades4 votes

If you get permabanned they want you to leave and not play their game

Zenturian1 votes

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If you get permabanned they want you to leave and not play their game

No, they just say that. The truth is they want you to restart the climb so you end up buying IP and EXP boosters and RP to regain lost content. Most people they ban come back, and most of those people do start spending money again. Stop buying into the lie.

ModPrandine1 votes

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No, they just say that. The truth is they want you to restart the climb so you end up buying IP and EXP boosters and RP to regain lost content. Most people they ban come back, and most of those people do start spending money again. Stop buying into the lie.

From Ulanopo's Knowledge Base:

“Riot bans people because they make money off of forcing people to create new accounts and repurchase the skins.”

Just stop. This is a really silly argument. I didn’t pay for my account any more than you did and while I have bought a number of things, I didn’t have to. There’s nothing relevant to competitive play that I couldn’t have bought with IP.

Also, Riot actively discourages people from making new accounts.

From Lyte: (link (http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=33432435#post33432435))

Actually, if we're permabanning you we don't want your money or your time. Just find another game.

(Help from MadmanWithBox)

Zenturian1 votes

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From Ulanopo's Knowledge Base:

Just stop. This is a silly counter argument that you didn't even directly make. Riot is a for profit company funded entirely by these purchases. They know for a fact that the bulk of bans lead to new accounts and new purchases + a desire to climb faster, which = IP and EXP Boosts. As a for profit company, knowingly propetuating an infinity loop of sending the most toxic to taint the new players but spend money... they know exactly what they are doing. Beyond that, gently stating "if you're banned, we don't want you" is just mild reverse psychology to try and make the player defy RIOT further by staying. My argument is extremely valid. Period. You're the sill thing here. Also, Lyte was famous for making up numbers and stating nonsense when not directly actually trying to find new ways to combat toxicity or smite players on the forum at their request.

ModPrandine1 votes

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Just stop. This is a silly counter argument that you didn't even directly make. Riot is a for profit company funded entirely by these purchases. They know for a fact that the bulk of bans lead to new accounts and new purchases + a desire to climb faster, which = IP and EXP Boosts. As a for profit company, knowingly propetuating an infinity loop of sending the most toxic to taint the new players but spend money... they know exactly what they are doing. Beyond that, gently stating "if you're banned, we don't want you" is just mild reverse psychology to try and make the player defy RIOT further by staying. My argument is extremely valid. Period. You're the sill thing here. Also, Lyte was famous for making up numbers and stating nonsense when not directly actually trying to find new ways to combat toxicity or smite players on the forum at their request.

There's no reverse psychology or conspiracy theory going on here. If Riot truly wanted to make more money then they wouldn't ban people in the first place. As it stands toxic players just drive business away, so it's actually in Riot's benefit to remove the players who don't want to reform. If the toxic players make new accounts, that's their choice, but they'll quickly find that behaving in the same way that got their older accounts permabanned will result in the same thing happening again. Think of it this way: the more time one spends raging and flaming at someone the less time that they're spending actually playing the game itself. Kei143 made a post that talks a little about it and it goes as followed:

When Riot permabans someone, their philosophy is "the chances of this guy reforming isn't a whole lot, we'd rather not have him in the game". Thus in their eyes, they have already written off the toxic player as a paying client.

From a business standpoint, do they want to remove the toxic guy who has spent $500 but is causing a negative environment for 4-9 other players in every game? Those non-toxics are also spending $500 and probably will spend more, promote the game more when they are enjoying the game AND they won't cause a negative environment.

I personally think it is a fine argument to protect the ones that are paying money and aren't toxic rather than protecting the ones that may pay the same amount but are toxic.

It doesn't just apply to League either, but to real life as well also. If someone is being unruly non-stop then it's in the establishments benefit to remove the unruly person rather than let her stay and drive allot of potential business away. As for Lyte, agree to disagree but his point still remains.

P.S. Before you say "oh but you didn't even make that argument yourself" answer me this: why would why waste time typing up one when someone else already said it better than I could?

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

It's really not a lie when Riot already gave them 3 chances to reform. If they still refuse to change their attitude after two chat restrictions & even a 14 days suspension, they're always free to leave League. No one forced them to come back anyway.

ModPrandine2 votes

I see where you're coming from and I disagree for a few reasons.

  1. From the sounds of it what DOTA2 does is essentially Prisoner's Island, something that Riot has said numerous times in the past that they will never do.

  2. Permabanning someone may not be the perfect solution, but it sure beats allowing them to continue to play and ruin more games on their account. Besides, in order to even reach permaban status one has to go through at least 35-games of chat restrictions+ a 2 week ban under normal circumstances (just a 2-week ban under extreme circumstances), meaning that players are given at least 1-3 extra chances to improve their behavior for the better before they get permabanned.

  3. By doing permabans it forces the offender to live with the consequences of their actions should they get to that point, and forces people who aren't there yet to consider what they value more: the ability to even play or the ability to just harass everyone when things get tough. With DOTA2's system since all you have to do is win X amount of games it doesn't really encourage people to reform in their behavior. Now of course the same could be said about LoL's system of reform (i.e. punishing people who act up consistently and rewarding people who behave consistently) but from what I've seen it's at least better than just lumping all poor behaving players in with each other.

With that being said though however I do like the idea of the leaver being punished while the team gets gold and xp to compensate for that. Maybe Riot could figure out a way to implement something like that into LoL in the future.

bad arcade kitty2 votes

chargeback on the gounds of bad service and losing the permanent access to the goods which you paid for

yes, riot has a much worse ban policy than valve, we can't do much with it

Nathan Du1 votes

Man i strongly agree!

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