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It's not Elo Hell, it's you

Pommel Knight··7 votes·1,304 views

Recently I got bored of soloq and wanted to climb again, but was too lazy to level a new account, so I tried my hand at flex and TT. Bloody hell is it toxic as fuck.

It's not just that they are bad, which they really are, but they are allergic to any advice. If you tell someone not to buy chalice if they don't have heals or shields (this happens every single game with the silvers and golds) they will start raging at you and saying:

"STFU you noob, I know what I'm doing!"

"KYS you boosted Diamond."

"You are so toxic!"

Or if you don't play like a god on every single champion you will get so much shit thrown at you. If you outplay them or get an items that counters them (ie. Executioner) they will call you a scripted or a noob for playing an op champion.

Now don't get me wrong I'm not just bashing on lower elos, there are some plats in the rough. The main point I'm trying to make is that they don't want to listen to other people and think that they are the best and know everything. That is the wrong mindset to have, you should learn from your mistakes and try to plan out a way to not repeat the same thing in a different scenario. If you die top from a gank, don't rage at your jungler. Ward next time and be aware of the map and where the enemy jungler is. If you die 1vs1 try to see what you did wrong and how you could have played it better.

There are situations where it's not your fault, team fight or when other players feed too much. So instead of being a toxic little shit try to help them, give the adc a kill if you already have 9, tp or roam mid or bot. Help the jungler when he gets invaded in his jungle or in river. DO SOMETHING! Don't just stand in one lane alone and act so high and mighty. If someone gets ganked, the jungler must do something in other lanes. If top is getting ganked the jungler should gank mid, invade and steal his jungle cs, gank bot and get dragon. You can't just be static and afk farm in this meta, it doesn't work.

One last thing is the greed. So much greed for kills and none for objectives. Fuck the Sona, get the tower/dragon. Also if you__ are the tank/juggernaut/ tanky MF (Not Miss Fortune, pls no more) you need to tank the baron, don't chase anyone and follow the team, you are the front line, not the assassin/ mage to chase them.

You can easily get out of any league you are, just learn to accept your mistakes and improve on them. Help your team if they are having problems, stop raging at them.

17 Comments

Simply Coosh4 votes

There is some truth here, but MANY missing pieces to the argument.

I've been stuck in B4/B5 for a long time now. Sure, maybe I belong there, but like every other player, I think I don't! (Go ahead Flamers of the Forums...have your hay day with my match history and flame away...I know that's what you'll do.) I have manually tracked games, analyzed my best champions, played them and still can't seem to climb.

When you are in the B4/B5 cess pool, you encounter the same players OVER and OVER and OVER. You start to recognize names because in a prior game they must have done something so egregious that it sparked your memory. Upon starting to recognize names, I actually started a list of people that I would prefer not to play with. I keep a Notepad document open on my desktop at all times I'm playing League. When I encounter that name on my team, it gives me a little edge in decision making...I could a) dodge, b) alert the rest of the team of my experience *(this is really not the right nor the fair way to do it, but sometimes be effective in causing another player to dodge) or c) play through the game KNOWING your chances of winning just went down.

In my opinion, the best way to get better is to play against higher quality opponents and learn from them...but I don't see that possibility in trying to climb out from the cellar. So goes my League Life.

Pommel Knight5 votes

This is exactly your problem, you tell everyone that THAT ONE player is going to feed and ruin their game that they make opinions on him before the game even starts, in this case you are the toxic one raging at people instead of focusing on the game itself. You are , I hate this word, tilting them. Imagine if every game you go into someone says that you are a noob and that you will lose the game. You would get angry and make more mistakes.

No. playing against better players won't help you as much as you think. If you play against me, a Diamond, you would lose. You won't learn much if you aren't planing on playing the champion I am. I would stomp you and you wouldn't understand what mistake you were making without someone pointing it out. Trust me, I experienced this with masters and challengers. Try to play 2/3 champions and learn them really well.

Also, I just checked your profile, you play so many different champions and build wrong. I noticed you have a fetish for ravenous hydra, that's the wrong hydra on ww. You need titanic. Also Ranuins is best vs crit teams, don't get it against every team comp, ww works best with deadmans. You need to recognize when to get the as jungle item ( and which one) and when the tank one. If your team has enough dmg get tanky if you don't have the best front line, if you need bruisers and anti tanks get as.

Before complaining about other players first reflect on how well you play, learn, watch videos, guides, look at builds. I have a friend who invents new builds all the time, he's bronze, they don't work well at all. Until high gold, at least, stick to pro builds or one other mains posted.

Simply Coosh2 votes

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This is exactly your problem, you tell everyone that THAT ONE player is going to feed and ruin their game that they make opinions on him before the game even starts, in this case you are the toxic one raging at people instead of focusing on the game itself. You are , I hate this word, tilting them. Imagine if every game you go into someone says that you are a noob and that you will lose the game. You would get angry and make more mistakes.

No. playing against better players won't help you as much as you think. If you play against me, a Diamond, you would lose. You won't learn much if you aren't planing on playing the champion I am. I would stomp you and you wouldn't understand what mistake you were making without someone pointing it out. Trust me, I experienced this with masters and challengers. Try to play 2/3 champions and learn them really well.

Also, I just checked your profile, you play so many different champions and build wrong. I noticed you have a fetish for ravenous hydra, that's the wrong hydra on ww. You need titanic. Also Ranuins is best vs crit teams, don't get it against every team comp, ww works best with deadmans. You need to recognize when to get the as jungle item ( and which one) and when the tank one. If your team has enough dmg get tanky if you don't have the best front line, if you need bruisers and anti tanks get as.

Before complaining about other players first reflect on how well you play, learn, watch videos, guides, look at builds. I have a friend who invents new builds all the time, he's bronze, they don't work well at all. Until high gold, at least, stick to pro builds or one other mains posted.

I really appreciate this feedback! You taught me a couple of things I didn't know. I'm not sure if you'd be up for giving me some more pointers, but I do like your style and would love to learn more from you so I can improve myself.

(By the way, I said that was ONE of my options and I hardly ever poison the well before the game...)

Pommel Knight1 votes

No problem, glad to help. I'm a top and mid main, sometimes jungle but not the best. I'll help if I can, just tell me which areas you are having problems with. Just before you ask, try to find a video or post someone already made. If you can't find it I'll be glad to help.

Simply Coosh1 votes

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No problem, glad to help. I'm a top and mid main, sometimes jungle but not the best. I'll help if I can, just tell me which areas you are having problems with. Just before you ask, try to find a video or post someone already made. If you can't find it I'll be glad to help.

Thanks PitchBlack4, for offering to help me, even if just a little bit! I can research tons of videos, guides, etc...but what I really need is a "Mind Coach". I need to learn how to think in a positive League way. I need to learn how to control my outrages because the techniques I'm using right now aren't working. I need to set goals for myself like practicing a certain Champ/Skill/etc, but not sure how to go about that. That's really what I need. This would probably require us to get connected on TS3 or Discord or some VOIP. If you're willing to give me even 10 minutes of mental thought coaching, you'd be doing a big service to the League Community by turning a toxic player positive.

Pommel Knight1 votes

Hm, well the discord thing I'll have to see about I have some college things this week but I should be free on Friday and weekends. You can add me now: Pitch Black; a picture of a man in a suit with a deer skull.

As for champions and skill thing, there are some parts of the game you need to practice on your own and that I can't comment on without watching you play. But if you want to be less toxic try to mute everyone on the enemy team at the start of the game and anyone on your team that starts to be too chatty or starts flaming whoever. If you get frustrated after 2-3 games and feel that you are tilted and/or in a bad mood play some other game to relax you. I like some artistic games that are fun to play and visually appealing.

Because you are still low elo I would suggest just focusing on your lane and improving there where you won't be encumbered with all the minute details of the game that involve further map awareness. Try to improve in your lane for now then move outside and try to expand your game knowledge. I know some players that have great mechanics on certain champions, but are really bad wit their game knowledge and don't develop habits like warding when the enemy jangler should theoretically finsih his clear and to look at the mini map for the enemy/ally locations.

Hammermancer1 votes

AYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

reiko571 votes

oh is that why people build randuin's.. i always look at the two and wonder why anyone would ever build it over dead man's plate, the team slow is so powerful and at my elo, teams only coordinate dmg by accident.. interesting, thnx for the tip.

Mig891 votes

If you're hard stuck and you don't think you belong where you're at I'd suggest making a new account. Your rank going into ranked for the first time is around silver 3. Last season was my first season and I got this account to gold and then decided to try and do it again. I only got my alt to silver 2 but it was so much easier than the first time around. It took almost all season to go from bronze 5 to gold 5 but once I did that it was easy on my second. You may be so low in mmr that you're legit playing bad people and with them.

Hammermancer3 votes

it's ok bro, you go back to your gilded arches and let us bronzies stay down here and polish our bronze

I beat a g3 in lane the other day, so now nothing i do will ever be wrong again, clearly I have the pass to blame my team :D

Nah i'm joking,

but I think this is honestly true, people do the same thing over and over. I've been watching my replays and one thing i keep yelling at myself is "GROUP MORE" but in practice all it seems to do is make me pick up on how bad everyone is, start laughing a bit, but then realize how horrifying it is to have an enemy brand and a "Grouping" (I call it clumping) team... they all get really close to eachother the second brand comes.. same with zil, fiddle.

We can enjoy when people rush armor against an all ap team, not just a sunfire, I mean stacking armor HARD.

Look i'm bad, I acknowledge that bro

My team is all about as bad as me

keep them away from me

Magical Player3 votes

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Great Muta2 votes

I got told by a player in Bronze that "gold and cs don't matter", and this person was ranked higher than me. The whole team also agreed with him. Are these really the people I should be playing with as someone who has played over a 1000 games? It's really my fault huh? LOL

I kept a list for a while of all of the various issues that went down in games in Bronze/Silver. I think it's pretty clear that trolling, AFK's and intentional feeding cost me a ton of games: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DXfqiP4cR_mF1ajdlmRmqMtyZLrE_lsGwCvvjO0uRp8/edit#gid=1180632855

There's easily 100+ games on that list that had issues. Would also be willing to bet dollars to donuts that most of those guys are still playing.

Interestingly enough, the second I started using a full Dynamic Q team, my winrate shot up to 64-70%. Is it still me? LOL

Simply Coosh2 votes

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I got told by a player in Bronze that "gold and cs don't matter", and this person was ranked higher than me. The whole team also agreed with him. Are these really the people I should be playing with as someone who has played over a 1000 games? It's really my fault huh? LOL

I kept a list for a while of all of the various issues that went down in games in Bronze/Silver. I think it's pretty clear that trolling, AFK's and intentional feeding cost me a ton of games: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DXfqiP4cR_mF1ajdlmRmqMtyZLrE_lsGwCvvjO0uRp8/edit#gid=1180632855

There's easily 100+ games on that list that had issues. Would also be willing to bet dollars to donuts that most of those guys are still playing.

Interestingly enough, the second I started using a full Dynamic Q team, my winrate shot up to 64-70%. Is it still me? LOL

OMG! Your spreadsheet is TOTALLY AMAZING and the comments section is spot on!! I experience the same thing game after game. I've never tried the Dynamic Queue. Is that a 5-man pre-made? I guess I'll have to look it up.

Thanks for sharing that spreadsheet. I'm going to continue to review it!

Great Muta2 votes

Appreciate it man.

Dynamic Q was the only Q system for last season. You could Q up with a full team. It was great for players who wanted to do this, but it was incredibly unfair to solo players. My team would play against teams of solo players and we'd all have mics and coordinated picks and just destroy. Flex Q is the new version of Dynamic Q.

People on here and reddit told me for years that I was making stuff up and that they "only have had trolls once or twice in 3 years" and I wanted to show them how bad it can really be.

Magical Player1 votes

There it is "How bad it can really be"

Nobody is saying trolls/feeders/afks don't exist

But because my experience doesn't align to yours and yours to mine we don't see the same games So it can be really bad it can also be really good Both cases are possible

YokoNomi1 votes

I'd just finished a match where an Enemy Swain had lost his promo's fairly hard. Granted, he didn't do well in his lane, unable to outdo the heimer he'd been fighting against. But as roaming phase hit, he was the only one that could visibly sustain a build. He was smart enough to farm, to harbor enough self-clarity to realize what he should do, should such a problem like a failing lane occur. Meanwhile I'm watching a snowballing Annie insisting that she's better off roaming than farming, and a Xin and Cho'gath, who queued up for bot, forfeiting their role as either support or adc.

Is it still right to simply blame that Swain for his loss, for dealing with a team that'd rather act on brash and irrational thought than think things through beyond every step they insist on taking backwards instead? I'm sorry, but the "it's you" schtick is too vague now, and is something I'd even go so far as to view as outdated. With how League is right now, it should be very apparent that it's "You and your team". It should always be about how you improve yourself in whatever way possible, either with the champion you play, or your communicative skills with your team. But to preemptively place the blame game on every single person like that feels a little too black and white. If we're going to truly tackle the problem at large, we need to bother being as grey as the problem itself.

rujitra1 votes

There is so much truth to this statement. I just finished a game as 8/13 lethality MF because my team would not allow me to play passive botlane, katarina ganked 6 times before 15 minutes, dying 3 of them, allowing the enemy to kill me and prevent my farm because I try to help her ganks, and she wouldn't stop after I asked her to not gank anymore.

But no, any advice that isn't "great job keep doing exactly what you're doing that's challenger play right there" is seen as negative and not taking it. I'm slowly climbing out of Bronze (fell from Silver due to literal ELO hell where i was losing 29 LP per loss and winning 14 per win for some reason). These types of people won't ever climb out. And that brings me at least some happiness that I try to be the one to take advice and give it, regardless of whether it's accepted or not.

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