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Penalized without a warning.

Mïckey·10/29/2018, 12:19:43 AM·13 votes·8,892 views

Summary (if you don't want to read it all): I was an honor lvl 5 player, would not consider myself to be toxic whatsoever. I got chat restricted (rightly so) for one game where I was really aggressive towards a player who was frustrating and toxic to me. For one mistake, I lost all my honor levels and now am honor lvl 1. I find this unfair as it is without a fair warning. Reinstating the fact that this was a one-time thing.

A couple of days ago, I got chat restricted due to an extremely frustrating game where my mid laner was unwilling to help me and then blames it on me. Throughout the game, I was constantly under pressure by mid laner who kept making remarks such as "jg difference" and whatnot. To be fair, I was no better as I flamed him back, quite roughly too at that, "belittling him" (one of the reasons for my chat restriction). This was for the context.

But this post isn't about the chat restriction. In fact, I think it is a really good manner to solve toxic players. The 10 games I was chat restricted really helped me reflect on my actions. However, the honor level set on 1 is too unfair. I was an honor lvl 5 player, I had never been issued a penalty prior to this for my toxicity and truly it was a one-time thing. I deserved the chat restriction, I totally understand that, but the honor system resetting to level 1 is too harsh. The chat restriction, I can see as a warning to players to change their behavior but the honor level 1 for one game is just ruthless.

I have learned in my life that one time mistakes can be forgiven provided the determination to be good. My past record shows just that, and I promise those harsh words to be a one-time situation, where I lost control over my emotions. Even those who are banned are given a second chance, then why is it that I am set to honor level one for one game?

My suggestion to riot is that chat restriction is a valid punishment for actions such as mine, however, there should be a warning message sent to players to not let it happen again or honor level might be reset as well. For some players, honor level might mean nothing, but to me, it is very important and being put in this situation just unmotivates me. After being nice to everyone for so long and reaching honor level 5, having to do the same thing again is just a chore...

I have talked to rioter Gunny, who explained to me that I was rightly punished (agree) but repeating yet again resetting my honor level is unfair. It is also frustrating when rules are instated for humans that don't even take into factor human components. It is easy to say that "You are responsible for what you do" to some degree that is true but in some situations you just lose it, lose all control over yourself in a burst of emotions (you know?). Just as me, I am sure there are many cases where people have been toxic, but that doesn't mean they are normally like that, in fact they could be the nicest people on planet. And so, the system should be penalized those who are actively causing negative situations. A one time thing should be forgiven or at the least the punishment should be milder.

My suggestion for a solution would be a warning message after one case of toxic behavior. [sg-ahri-3]

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BeatleZzz10/29/2018, 12:31:49 AM5 votes

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Summary (if you don't want to read it all): I was an honor lvl 5 player, would not consider myself to be toxic whatsoever. I got chat restricted (rightly so) for one game where I was really aggressive towards a player who was frustrating and toxic to me. For one mistake, I lost all my honor levels and now am honor lvl 1. I find this unfair as it is without a fair warning. Reinstating the fact that this was a one-time thing.

A couple of days ago, I got chat restricted due to an extremely frustrating game where my mid laner was unwilling to help me and then blames it on me. Throughout the game, I was constantly under pressure by mid laner who kept making remarks such as "jg difference" and whatnot. To be fair, I was no better as I flamed him back, quite roughly too at that, "belittling him" (one of the reasons for my chat restriction). This was for the context.

But this post isn't about the chat restriction. In fact, I think it is a really good manner to solve toxic players. The 10 games I was chat restricted really helped me reflect on my actions. However, the honor level set on 1 is too unfair. I was an honor lvl 5 player, I had never been issued a penalty prior to this for my toxicity and truly it was a one-time thing. I deserved the chat restriction, I totally understand that, but the honor system resetting to level 1 is too harsh. The chat restriction, I can see as a warning to players to change their behavior but the honor level 1 for one game is just ruthless.

I have learned in my life that one time mistakes can be forgiven provided the determination to be good. My past record shows just that, and I promise those harsh words to be a one-time situation, where I lost control over my emotions. Even those who are banned are given a second chance, then why is it that I am set to honor level one for one game?

My suggestion to riot is that chat restriction is a valid punishment for actions such as mine, however, there should be a warning message sent to players to not let it happen again or honor level might be reset as well. For some players, honor level might mean nothing, but to me, it is very important and being put in this situation just unmotivates me. After being nice to everyone for so long and reaching honor level 5, having to do the same thing again is just a chore...

I have talked to rioter Gunny, who explained to me that I was rightly punished (agree) but repeating yet again resetting my honor level is unfair. It is also frustrating when rules are instated for humans that don't even take into factor human components. It is easy to say that "You are responsible for what you do" to some degree that is true but in some situations you just lose it, lose all control over yourself in a burst of emotions (you know?). Just as me, I am sure there are many cases where people have been toxic, but that doesn't mean they are normally like that, in fact they could be the nicest people on planet. And so, the system should be penalized those who are actively causing negative situations. A one time thing should be forgiven or at the least the punishment should be milder.

My suggestion for a solution would be a warning message after one case of toxic behavior. [sg-ahri-3]

Upvoted for truth. For honor level 4 and 5 players who get their FIRST chat restriction in a year (or more), it should reset to Honor 2 checkpoint 0.

For honor level 2 and 3, it should drop to honor level 1. This is fair and also serves as a stern warning as well.

Subject 510/29/2018, 8:14:05 AM4 votes

This account suffered no penalty, until last January. Myself including a little over half the lobby was joking around about the "Black Champions."

Because one black champion has a bat, and the other black champion has a gun. So obviously the black joke started coming out, which didn't include anything really harsh or worth mentioning. In-fact, that wasn't even WHY I get banned for 14 days. I got suspended for 14 days because I said "Thanks for the leash N1@@A."

So obviously I did the most reasonable thing possible and curbed my behavior, now instead of joking with the community I'm a passive aggressive asshole that baits people into getting banned [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Good system btw, jokes are bannable because sensitivty is through the roof: but if somebody wastes 9 other peoples time straight griefing they get a free pass.

Edit

Honor lvl 5 < Honor lvl 0

I'm still not honor lvl 5 after about a years worth of playing.

demoted to iron10/29/2018, 8:08:24 AM4 votes

I understand getting honor decreased for getting punished, but getting reset from 5 without warning is complete bs.

Mïckey10/29/2018, 12:22:59 AM4 votes

I understand that, but it was one game and now it is impossible for me to show that I am honorable with limited time.

Flameveil10/29/2018, 12:31:47 AM3 votes

Looks like we're on the same boat. It's pretty rough, haha. You even did a better job of saying what I was trying to get at too!

Mïckey10/29/2018, 12:45:05 AM3 votes

I have read other discussions relating to my post including FlameVeil's and the common argument people put against it is that

  1. Most people don't get this
  2. You were dishonorable, so you deserve this

It just doesn't make sense to have a system that as FlameVeil said on his post

The punishments shouldn't just be black and white, it should encourage players to reform while still loving the game as a whole.

And isn't it unfair that I am in the same boat as someone who is consistently toxic throughout the season? Because I did it near the end, there is no way for me to receive rewards.

Mïckey10/29/2018, 2:54:53 AM3 votes

For clarification, the 1st option in the poll is after every report or a certain amount of reports (halfway). So, I don't want to be surprised by having a penalty when I feel myself to not be toxic, it would be much better to receive a warning after being reported, so I know to improve my behavior.

Resolution10/29/2018, 4:38:02 PM2 votes

I always feel bad when I see people with 300 ranked games penalized so close to the season's end. Normally you'd be able to prove your still a positive player - but time restraints will hold you back, no matter your previous standing.

I want to say it's just a border, but sadly that sits with you the entire next season. Feels bad.

Personally, I feel first-time chat restrictions (If not drastically mean) should be a warning. Most people don't even realize when they defend themselves it's defined as toxic.

I got a chat warning years ago before the whole honor system, and it has 100% prevented me from using the same words again. At the time I didn't know I couldn't tell someone off for being mean to me, and I've now been honor level 5 two seasons in a row since then.

Kei14310/29/2018, 12:48:01 AM2 votes

If you submit a ticket to https://support.riotgames.com, you can ask them how many games were considered in your punishment. The answer would surprise you.

QAEQAWAWARF10/29/2018, 1:33:06 AM2 votes

My idea is exactly the same. It is either unfair or not true that a single chat restriction is the mildest warning we can get because it takes over a month to unlock the honor level and get to honor level 2 from 1. Players who have been above 2 should either reset to 2 so that it is considered as a warning instead of a punishment that will deny all the ranked works they put for the year. There is really no difference between honor level 1 or 0 which is in theory should differ a lot. Or they should consider giving ranked rewards to honor level 1 players. I also dropped from honor level 4 checkpoint 2 to honor level 1 16 days ago, and am at honor level 1 checkpoint 1 now. I got lots of key fragments after hitting 1, and received a key fragment saying "You have been 126% more honorable than average players." but still stuck at checkpoint 1. I got over 30 honors in a week from non premade teammates carrying lots of games, but it is quite harsh that I will never be able to get to level 2 because it just takes more than 100 games to get level 2. And if you have noticed, most players who say "be honorable" or "don't be toxic then" are either unranked or who do not even qualify the end of season rank rewards. They simply do not understand how ranked games at higher elos are.

wilosonmeat10/29/2018, 2:36:08 PM2 votes

Hello, I am in a related situation except in real life.

I assaulted a guy and although it was a one time thing i was punished, sent to jail and the whole ordeal. I understand it and have changed but now I am labeled as a felon, I think there should be some kind of warning or something. I'm all with you, remove lasting punishment!