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The honor system should be updated starting season 10

dontspinbutwin·10/28/2019, 6:40:02 PM·2 votes·1,718 views

I rocked a solid honor lvl 3, but after getting mad at 2 griefers in my ranked games, I got a chat restriction and dropped to locked honor level 1 a week ago. I messaged riot about this, and they looked over my case. They agreed that the punishment was too harsh, but that because I already got my chat restriction, they couldnt change my honor because that would mean updating a whole bunch of other players honor. I 100% understand that, but that doesn't mean I like it.

In 1 day flat, I unlocked my honor because Im overall a nice player and tend to get a buncha honors. Now Im grinding ARAM because its the fastest way to get honor exp. However, a part of me wants to give up: It seems pointless and frustrating. I can't target anyone with words, no matter how right or constructive I can get, in fear of being punished. I can't say "Bot, farm behind turret. Stop being aggressive and getting caught out", because that might tilt my botlane further, and that might cause them to blame/report me. So I have to let it happen, and deal with a fed botlane.

A bigger issue is the quantity of griefers who can get away with what they do because its more difficult to detect. Its easy for a bot to detect "Yo can you stop fking running it down and play?" but its difficult for a bot to detect whether a player is bad or is trying to look bad while purposefully inting. Furthermore, players can act how they want as long as they speak correctly, like "I need to try different builds to carry, because my camps are being taken" (said by an AP noct who sold his ad items and went mobi boots and 5 sapphire crystals, in ranked).

Then theres the issue that it doesn't really look like verbal punishment isn't being dished out fairly/consistantly. I got punished after 2 games back to back of me getting mad at griefers, yet I've been cussed out by mistakes teammates have made, been purposefully left to die, and been spammed in chat "die" 10 times (same game as the nocturne game, said by vayne). Furthermore, I have a few friends who are honor 5. IRL, theyre great people, but in game, theyre some of the most toxic players youve ever met, saying far worse than I ever have (to which even they laugh and admit it). That isn't to say there arent good people in honor 5, its just that all the people honor 4+ know how to manipulate the system. Doesn't mean theyre all good people.

I'm beyond frustrated at my situation, yet Im 100% certain that theres more players who are in a far worse situation, and put there injustly. Furthermore, Im even more certain that there are players who are more toxic than honor 0 players, yet dont get punished for it.

Right now, honor level feels like prison Island. I dont see progress, I dont see fairness, so whats the point of climbing? Best to just give up and be toxic. Its what everyones doing anyways.

Please find a way to be more lenient to players who mess up once or twice, but make the punishment more harsh to those who consistantly show toxic behavior. Find a way to make players genuinely trying to be better players to see their honor progress in their games, because if they don't, theres a higher chance they simply give up on reforming. Find a way to catch everyone whos being toxic, and not show favor to those in higher honor levels. Find a way to make this game feel fair and fun for all players, not just that one troll in every other game.

Then again, im just a dude whos been playing for 7 seasons. I've only been witnessing player behavior for 7 years in game. I don't have any schooling on player behavior and such, so what do I know.

You know, now that I think about it, fixing this system seems too big for a small indie company, so scrap the idea. We should just learn to deal with the problems, right?

6 Comments

rujitra10/28/2019, 6:54:21 PM4 votes

They agreed that the punishment was too harsh, but that because I already got my chat restriction, they couldnt change my honor because that would mean updating a whole bunch of other players honor.

Something is wrong here. Either they didn't agree the punishment was too harsh, or you're misunderstanding what they're saying. They will remove and revert completely punishments that are deemed to be in error.

In 1 day flat, I unlocked my honor because Im overall a nice player and tend to get a buncha honors.

Honor "unlock" is designed to happen in one or two days for any player who isn't being toxic. It's literally only a tool to show you that you haven't misbehaved since the punishment - not to tell you that you're "free".

I can't target anyone with words, no matter how right or constructive I can get, in fear of being punished.

This is a fear you are creating for yourself. The rules are clear. If you are afraid you will, in the heat of the moment, lose control over yourself and violate them, that is not a sign of a problem with anything other than your self control. Millions of players use chat every game without getting a single punishment ever. Over half of people who are chat restricted never get another punishment.

I can't say "Bot, farm behind turret. Stop being aggressive and getting caught out", because that might tilt my botlane further, and that might cause them to blame/report me.

Well, more than likely, this report would be thrown out as false because you weren't toxic. However, it's important to remember that you aren't the boss. Talking to people like you're bossing/commanding them is not helpful and is something that may factor into a decision to punish if it is either incredibly frequent or rude. A better way to say this would be "pls farm behind turret so u dont get caught out". That's not a command - it's a suggestion.

A bigger issue is the quantity of griefers who can get away with what they do because its more difficult to detect.

The quantity of this is actually incredibly small. If you are seeing more griefers in your games than the average player, it's important to look at what you may be doing to tilt people - one of those things being talking to them like you're their boss/the captain of the team. This does not excuse their behavior, but you should take action to decrease the chance you are tilting other players into griefing.

I got punished after 2 games back to back of me getting mad at griefers, yet I've been cussed out by mistakes teammates have made, been purposefully left to die, and been spammed in chat "die" 10 times (same game as the nocturne game, said by vayne).

As you say - you had two games back to back of toxic behavior. You see these other players in one game. Even if they are toxic in more games, their toxicity may not rise to the level yours does. The "level" of toxicity the system sees is not just based on the words/phrases used, but the consistency and amount of behavior. The system literally cannot be biased - it doesn't care who the account is when it's evaluating reports. It evaluates all reports on the same ruleset and the same code evaluates the reports.

That isn't to say there arent good people in honor 5, its just that all the people honor 4+ know how to manipulate the system.

Or, it means that what you consider them "manipulating the system" to be toxic either isn't rule violating behavior, or it's so infrequent or minor compared to other behaviors that they never merit a punishment. Alternatively, if people aren't reporting them, they don't get punished.

Right now, honor level feels like prison Island.

Low honor is not in any way a prisoner's island, as you are still matched exactly the same. You simply do not get rewards for honor.

Please find a way to be more lenient to players who mess up once or twice, but make the punishment more harsh to those who consistantly show toxic behavior.

They already are lenient to players who mess up once or twice. You messed up many times over the course of two back to back games. That is consistency.

Then again, im just a dude whos been playing for 7 seasons. I've only been witnessing player behavior for 7 years in game. I don't have any schooling on player behavior and such, so what do I know.

And as many people over many seasons do, you've gotten frustrated with your inability to climb, thus have gotten more aggressive and rude in chat to attempt to either reassure yourself that "it isn't my fault i'm not climbing" or to try to get your teammates to magically improve. If you want to climb, you need to work on your own skill, and stop focusing on what other players are doing.

GatekeeperTDS10/28/2019, 9:53:26 PM1 votes

Honor is supposed to be the default. You're supposed to follow the rules and the Summoner's Code because you've agreed to do so. Not flaming the shit out of your teammates really isn't hard.

We should just learn to deal with the problems, right?

Yes. The rest of us who behave in-game have to learn to deal with people who break the rules and spread negativity through chat.

ModCaliCoastReplay10/29/2019, 4:41:15 AM1 votes

Also, I absolutely agree with the notion that Honor needs to be reworked, expanded, and given a greater role in playing League as I feel it would help remove the level of dishonorable play we're seeing.