Don't Perma Ban for Chat.

Yassuo3·12/1/2019, 8:19:04 AM·4 votes·2,893 views

Why are players permanently banned for things such as bad behavior in the chat? To me this is not a ban able offense since players are given the option to mute each player both on their team and on the enemy team, or further more they can get rid of the entire chat feature itself in the settings box. I believe that every player who was permanently banned from the game for purposes only due to "toxic" in game chat behavior such as cursing and or trash talking teammates or opponents should have a second chance in this game since technically they have not actually broken any rules in terms of making the game enjoyable. Since riot has the mute teammate feature players can simply mute their teammates who prefer to take out their aggression over the terms of typing in chat even though the chat box is suppose to be used for team work and planning, however we players know that this rarely occurs in lower elo and especially in higher elo. Personally Riot should spend less time focusing on banning players for things such as toxic chat behavior for this doesn't cause any real harm unless these players are telling other players to kill themselves repetitively for this is a different style of aggression. Riot in fact should spend majority of their time banning the players who truly cause major issues in this game being those who win trade, and purposely throw games to help streamers out as well as boosters. These players actually effect how the game is played and can cause players who don't deserve certain rewards to get them while players who grind away get farther and farther from their dreams especially if they have to encounter these types of players on a daily basis like I do. The video above is proof that this issue is apparent yet people prefer to say that those who are toxic in chat are the ones who ruin games. Riot please unban those who made mistakes in chat and focus on those who truly cause issues in this game.

26 Comments

Umbral Regent12/1/2019, 8:59:32 AM10 votes

To me this is not a ban able offense since players are given the option to mute each player both on their team and on the enemy team, or further more they can get rid of the entire chat feature itself in the settings box.

The mute feature is a band-aid solution, and it's meant to prevent a player from suffering further ill-effects of chat misbehavior. It is not there to give players an exemption from the rules that they agreed to at account creation.

Whether you like it or not, everyone who makes an account on League of Legends signs up with the promise that they will not abuse the chat feature to misbehave and flame other players. Whether you like it or not, it is a punishable - and, if necessary - bannable offense. Don't like the rules? Them's the 8r8ks.

I believe that every player who was permanently banned from the game for purposes only due to "toxic" in game chat behavior such as cursing and or trash talking teammates or opponents should have a second chance in this game since technically they have not actually broken any rules in terms of making the game enjoyable.

I'm not sure where you're getting "technically" from, because they did in fact break the rules, and they did make the game unenjoyable for other players. If they didn't make the game unenjoyable, they wouldn't have been reported, and if they didn't break the rules, they wouldn't have been punished.

I seriously recommend you read the Terms of Use - Code of Conduct as well as the Summoner's Code, as both constitute the rules and behavioral guidelines you're expected to follow in League of Legends.

Since riot has the mute teammate feature players can simply mute their teammates who prefer to take out their aggression over the terms of typing in chat even though the chat box is suppose to be used for team work and planning, however we players know that this rarely occurs in lower elo and especially in higher elo.

Players should not have to mute other players. If you prefer to take out your aggression in-chat towards your teammates, then guess what; players can mute you, and they can also report you. You're not allowed to flame, period. The mute feature does not exempt you from that rule.

Additionally; I'd really love to see some statistics about the usage of chat for coordination/teamwork. I doubt it's as low as some people like to sell it as.

Personally Riot should spend less time focusing on banning players for things such as toxic chat behavior for this doesn't cause any real harm unless these players are telling other players to kill themselves repetitively for this is a different style of aggression.

Why do people assume that Riot is strictly focusing on chat misbehavior? It's not like they have extremely limited resources and choose to funnel all of them towards chat misbehavior. The IFS - the system that handles chat misbehavior - is automated. So with the exception of cases pulled from the IFS for audit/manual review, they really aren't focusing on chat misbehavior any more than they're focusing on anything else.

Riot in fact should spend majority of their time banning the players who truly cause major issues in this game being those who win trade, and purposely throw games to help streamers out as well as boosters.

Again; you're assuming that they aren't trying. Unfortunately, non-chat offenses aren't something they can just set the IFS to track and punish reliably. Chat offenses are easy; win-trading, trolling, intentional feeding, etc.? Those aren't half as easy. And as it were, simply saying "focus on this instead of chat" isn't going to make it any easier.

The video above is proof that this issue is apparent yet people prefer to say that those who are toxic in chat are the ones who ruin games.

Both are players who ruin games. It's not an either/or situation, and I don't think I've seen anyone even remotely suggest that wintraders/trolls/etc. don't ruin games while flamers do. Both ruin games, both are awful, and both deserve punishment.

Riot please unban those who made mistakes in chat and focus on those who truly cause issues in this game.

Again; they already are focusing on gameplay misbehavior.

And as for unbanning flamers; if they got permabanned, then they didn't just "make mistakes in chat". They made a ton of mistakes. Constantly. Enough so that Riot had to permanently remove them from the game.

At that point, that's not "making mistakes", that's deliberately flouting the rules. And those players who openly disrespected the rules, even after countless warnings, they're not getting unbanned. Period. If you can't be bothered to play by the rules, Riot can't be bothered to have you playing at all.

Yin Yang Taoist12/1/2019, 9:03:44 AM6 votes

No one is permanently banned for bad behavior in chat, right off the bat. You're given a 10, 25 game chat restriction followed by a 2-week suspension and finally, a permanent ban. I don't think that Riot would ever agree with people using chat to make others feel miserable because it would thwart their business. Riot also doesn't allow match fixing or boosting. This one in the video was quite obvious for griefing/boosting.

But. Its often times a lot more difficult to tell whether they are intentionally playing a certain way or not because it isn't possible to get in their heads and understand their true intentions.

SymbolicFear12/1/2019, 8:22:21 AM4 votes

Shit talking is a part of every online game, it is what it is, shouldnt be punished unless taken to extremes such as threatening someone's irl life or family and homophobia, sexism, and racism. When its just people saying "Youre garbage" it shouldnt get you banned. I think everyone can agree that toxic GAMEPLAY is the real problem and always has been, its just being blamed on peoples words.

Navarune12/1/2019, 10:15:00 AM4 votes

Having a feature to protect yourself against toxic behavior does not give anyone else the right or freedom to continue said behavior. Reforming and correcting the behavior and whatever underlying conditions that cause it are honestly not the responsibility of the game company nor of the other healthy members of the community for that matter.

Yes, there are a number of issues in this community. But, that does not negate the effect of abusers of the chatbox. Each needs to be dealt with harshly and with a strong stance that any such behavior--including toxic chat--will not be tolerated.

Yassuo312/1/2019, 6:32:24 PM1 votes

Apparently what I am trying to get at isn’t sinking in for everyone to understand so I will go about this at a different approach. Toxic chat behavior can vary yes ? Someone can simply flame things like “stop feeding” or “please help the team instead of nonstop free farming jungle all game” and all it takes is a pre made group of two to report you and you get the same punishment as someone who were to take this sort of behavior to another level being in typing things that are more or less on a more personal and aggressive manner. One is not even remotely harming another player at all where as the other is, yet they revoke the same kind of punishment. Win trading however affects the teams who have the win trader and those who do not, for no matter what happens the team that has the win trader is going to lose the game and potentially end their series or promotions or what ever it may be. The team that is receiving the free win has a ruined game experience due to it just not being fun to win that way. Boosters ruin the game by making others hard work and time commitment seem pointless when someone who has played the game for one year can go from Bronze 4 one month to let’s say gold 1 or platinum 4 the next. While in the course of this month they randomly start taking flash on d as opposed to f like that have their entire league career. For those of you who believe that I am only asking that toxic players should get un banned only because I got banned? Honestly this is somewhat true for I personally got banned permanently on my main account due to trying to expose a win trader in the chat and they told their duo along with their friends who reported me straight to riot. Do I find this fair? Not really for everyone else on my team was flaming them as well and yes they also got permanently banned, while the win traders did not. Now that we have got this settled. To turn the conversation so that others who Always seem to point the finger at strictly toxic behavior. I know for a fact that everyone in this game has flamed their teams one time or another, some do it every game. Why don’t they get banned then if it is breaking the rules ? Also let’s say that you flame someone due to having a bad day, and you get banned I garentee that your opinions about toxic chat behavior will change. This is something that we all can agree on yes ?