Perma bans shouldn't be a thing

HideOnChat·3/5/2020, 7:20:39 AM·1 votes·3,490 views

I dont thing riot needs to ban permanently players who are toxic instead ban them for more time. like i dont care how long but dont take their account permanently im sure there are people like me who spend a lot of money on the game and its just stealing. a 2 weeks ban really reset my mental and im not using chat anymore and now playing on this account is just scary because you are really close to a perma ban i prefer being banned for a year just dont steal the account.....

21 Comments

MrNuclearPumpkin3/5/2020, 7:46:33 AM8 votes

You seem to forget that the account isn't yours. At all. You didn't pay anything.

You have a free account that you spent money on to make the account look prettier. No one told you to buy skins. No one told you to spend any money.

They steal the account? The account was never truly yours. At anytime, Riot can make changes to your account. They have the power to change your password, give your account RP or take it away.

If a player doesn't follow the rules? They lose the right to use the accounts. Simple as that.

rujitra3/5/2020, 7:27:40 AM7 votes

It’s not about what you prefer, it’s about giving you reason to stop breaking the rules. Obviously that threat is working.

Imagine what the world would be like if we just asked people who broke the rules “yo eh what punishment do YOU want”.

Arcade Lulu3/5/2020, 8:03:43 AM6 votes

They aren't stealing anything, you don't own the account

And why should riot allow you to play the game if you refuse to follow the rules?

All Day Tay Tay3/5/2020, 7:32:04 AM4 votes

k, instead of perma banned you are banned for 99 years. happy?

Kei1433/5/2020, 7:46:13 AM4 votes

Strictly speaking, the ban is for 200 years.

Tele II3/5/2020, 10:32:49 PM3 votes

Lol yeah im sure it sucks being permabanned, or having a 14 day ban. Thats the point. You are supposed to be scared of breaking the rules.

Emperør Rhaast3/5/2020, 12:05:50 PM3 votes

It isn't really stealing since the account belongs to Riot. They preserve the right to revoke your account for any reason.

That said, it doesn't make it a good idea. I believe having long periods of bans would be better for both the players and Riot. Say, a 3 month ban would be great for resetting your mental after being a bit over the edge in terms of toxicity. It could go up in increments: 2 weeks, 1 month, 3 months, 6 months, and after a 6 month ban, you have clearly shown no sign of being willing to reform and then you'd be permabanned.

Pombagira3/5/2020, 8:17:35 AM3 votes

Just don't break the rules and you're good to go.

KFCeytron3/5/2020, 1:13:47 PM3 votes

Riot used to give toxic players a long series of gradually-increasing suspensions. However, they found that players who got more than a few punishments would never stop misbehaving and receiving punishments. As the goal of the punishment system is to eliminate rule-breaking and Riot has absolutely no interest in coddling toxic players, the system was changed to eliminate this long tail of irredeemable players. Compared to the hundreds or even thousands of typical players who are bothered over dozens or hundreds of matches ruined by a toxic player, that one player's ability to annoy people merits no sympathy or concern. The preferred outcome of punishing a misbehaving player is reform: according to Riot's figures, most players who get one punishment never get another. However, when a player refuses to stop breaking the rules after a few warnings (punishments), they are removed from the game with a permaban because Riot no longer believes them capable of reform.

Theft is defined as "the action or crime of stealing," and stealing is defined as "taking (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it." When a player purchases RP, they give money to Riot and Riot increases a number in a database that Riot owns and operates. When that player spends the RP, Riot decreases the aforementioned number and simultaneously makes another change to the account which that player is allowed to access. This change might be a flag indicating that a certain skin can now be selected, or an increase in the number of rune pages customizable from that account. At no point in time does Riot sell, rent, or license any kind of ownership of any of Riot's assets to any player. Players are simply allowed to access the account they create, with their authorized credentials.

This is no different from accessing any other private entity's services. If you notice that a wall at a friend's house is very plain and you buy them a painting to spruce it up, that painting now belongs to your friend. If your friend forbids you from coming into their house, which could be for no reason, any reason, or very good reason (e.g. that you continually broke clearly-defined rules and ignored all reprimands and requests to change your behavior), you don't get to keep the painting. You also aren't owed the financial value of the painting, nor does helping with the decor grant you any right to keep hanging out at your (former) friend's house.

BossLeaderss3/5/2020, 11:20:16 AM2 votes

Just don't give Riot any more money. Let them lose business.

GreenKnight3/5/2020, 9:15:59 AM2 votes

They should absolutely be a thing, unlike Eternals.

When you are breaking the rules, you will be thrown out, after multiple warnings. It's your own fucking fault that you never listened to them.

Blue Shift3/5/2020, 10:10:41 AM2 votes

Don't try dude, these people are actually some of the dumbest people imaginable when it comes to player behaviour. These are the people who will genuinely get upset if you call them a bad word.

I think perma bans are only a thing because the people who are perma banned, most of the time, will just make a new account and spend money on that one for boosts, skins, etc... to get back what they lost. It's why Riot made such an emphasis on trying to ban as many accounts as possible instead of just keeping the old tribunal system where people were punished based on the consensus of the community, where it was actually fair and warranted for a permaban.

lamakisser3/5/2020, 2:12:25 PM1 votes

i think more people should be IP banned not just the account their service banned to many toxic trolls and clowns out there not like riot will lose money over a non paying costumer

NF Remilia3/6/2020, 8:14:56 AM1 votes

Its not stealing since nobody forced you to give your money! You agreed with rules that clearly says if you break the rules you can lose your account. Riot gives you 3 chances to change, use them! If you dont , you lose your account , because Riot doesnt want you in their game. No matter how many chances they will give people , if a person is toxic and doesnt have self control he will keep doing it.

Leon41673/6/2020, 11:17:37 PM1 votes

If you spent money then you have an incentive to not be breaking the rules. I've spent a couple 100 bucks on this game and every now and then flame some people but if I lose my account over it it's MY FAULT for breaking the rules. Fortunately I don't do it often and Riot doesn't ban people just for losing their cool once in while. The rules are laid out there for you to read and you agree to follow them when you sign up regardless of whether or not you actually read them. People know what's rude and what isn't don't argue that they don't but they still decide to insult or put down others and I don't care if they spent nothing or a million dollars on this game, if they're the kind of person that has to spread negatively constantly or excessively once they're not wanted. We shouldn't have to play with them and most people don't want to play with them. It's very simple: You got nothing nice to say then shut up. No one wants to here it.

Sukishoo3/6/2020, 11:24:35 PM1 votes

me who spend a lot of money on the game and its just stealing.

Nope. It's right in the ToU of the game that says using money is your own decision and all the content unlocked is being loaned/borrowed from Riot. You don't own any right to the account or content on it.