I've heard many cases even when smurfing that they got banned for being toxic after flaming their troll or inter in ranked. I don't understand why they don't receive as big of a punishment as the toxic player. They aren't getting rid of the problem, they are letting the problem disburse in different games to trigger others.
It's far easier to catch chat offenses via code than it is to determine intentional feeding from poor play. So, yes, they likely catch more toxic players than they do intentional feeders because one is easier than the other, not because they think one is worse than the other.
There's several qualifiers I have with what you're saying, but I'll start by saying that your sentiment is completely true. Yes, Riot does seem like they ban for chat offenses far more easily than trolling or intentionally feeding.
First, chat offenses are orders of magnitude easier to detect than intentionally feeding or trolling. Thus, chat offenses are punished more quickly than other means.
Second, players overestimate how often they see a troll or intentional feeder. Toxic players in particular VASTLY overestimate how many trolls and feeders they encounter. Chances are, if a toxic player claims they saw an intentional feeder or a troll, they're full of shit. Obviously, some people are trolling or intentionally feeding. However, I would not trust someone banned for chat reasons to be the person assessing it.
Neither player is good for league, so it doesn't make sense that Riot actively goes after one type of player.
They have standards for in game chat, and those are more noticeable when chat becomes punishable.
When a player is intentionally feeding, that's a little tougher to detect, which is probably why you'd think it isn't punished as often.
In addition to Periscopes reply, it's worth noting that when you are caught for inting the punishment is harsher than what you usually get for flaming.
A normal punishment for flaming is a chat restriction, while the normal punishment for inting is a 14 day ban.
Though if you use hate speech or tell others to kill themselves, you will also recieve a 14 day ban.
I feel like chat shouldn't be banned unless it's an actual threat or legitimately telling someone to go harm themselves. For example: "Go kill yourself right now nobody cares about you. Die." or "I'm going to murder your whole family and rape your mother" Those kinds of things should be punished a lot more than "Kys" or "Retard" or something. If you actually get very upset over being called a retard there is something wrong with you, but there is a solution. The mute button. The previous examples could actually make someone feel terrible about themselves. I don't know. To me kys means nothing. Banning people over it seems dumb and it just makes me see the League community as a bunch of sensitive toddlers on a Minecraft server.
People really do need to get punished more for ruining games. There needs to be a system to ban players that do it. Usually, people who afk get nothing unless they do it all the time. Sometimes, they get a leaverbuster but generally that's all there is to it. They can just go around and ruin games for all of their teammates for a timer or nothing. A lot of people have nothing better to do than just run around their fountain. When they do that, as long as they stay positive in chat, will never be punished. These are the kinds of players that need to get the punishments. The sad thing is, if their teammates flame the fun-ruiners, the people that are trying to play the game are more likely to be punished. Same thing happens with inters, except they're banned a little more frequently.
There's a mute button, but not a "get my LP and time back" button. *[slayer-jinx-unamused]*
It's easier to gather evidence of toxicity through chat/ping logs
Actual gameplay is harder to piece together to guarantee that someone's inting/trolling.
It's easier to scan chat logs
Flaming can be solved with a mute button, yet inting can't, but who cares, that easily preventable thing is MUCH more important than LITERALLY ruining the game for everyone else. Thanks Riot Game™, I always loved your backwards thinking.
It's not about what we think or feel, it's what is. Riot bases this decision on the fact that children play this game. Children throw tantrums, and feed and troll, but children bring in money. Children don't like being told mean things, but children will happily ruin the game for the playerbase. This is just a matter of ethics, Riot is more concerned with money than with real solutions to the game, therefor, they punish people who say mean things to the inters out of frustration, rather than the inter themselves. The tribunal doesn't even get footage of the game so reporting for inting (trolling isnt even an option, so if your teammate goes to a side lane while your nexus is being taken there isnt even a report for that) means nothing.
I keep saying it.....if riot will actually focus harder on the non verbal forms of trolling then there will be far less flamers/ragers in chat. Most of the times, its the person that is pissed off at the troll and says something that ends up with an unjust permaban while the troll the started the entire situation and go months+ with out detection. Hell, you can look at the 0% win rate tahm kench as the poster child for this epidemic. He managed to enrage many many players and never got caught. It legit took a popular youtuber to do a vid on it before Riot actually paid attn to it and banned him/her.
It is soo true man I got a ban just now for telling my bot lane to not feed and instead what I get is a report from them followed by a ban FOR NO REASON at all. I mean they duo inted whole game and then when u report them they are safe but when I get reported I'm banned Good Job riot
The issue is that toxic chat is A LOT easier to detect compared to the stealth inting and trolling that happens in games. Before, people would buy all dorans or no items or all tears and just die over and over. Now people are buying real items but intentionally playing poorly and feeding. That's harder to detect and requires manual reviews of replays of non reported games to compare their normal game play and the reported game play.
I dont think so, just played with SKT T1 Adolf Hitler
You are missing the point, if someone ruins something you work hard for, it doesn't give you the right to be toxic back to the player. No one gets a freebie to be toxic for someone ruining their game, not only does this go against Riot's rules, but it would also make the system more complicated, having people who are naturally toxic use this as an excuse to not get in trouble. The point Chermorg made is yes, you will have people who ruin experiences for you, but you have no right to ruin everyone else's experiences as well. If you mute and report the player, the amount of toxicity in League of Legends decreases. If you respond with toxicity, you only increase the amount of toxicity in League, which is the problem you wanted to get rid of in the first place.
Define Intentional / Trolling?
5 Random Players, Good Luck getting a solid comp everyone agrees with or what is actually better anyways it just wont happen <3...
Who cares about that Teemo Mid, when Bot / Jungle could have played something that worked with it for example.
