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Rito: show full logs while dispensing out "justice"

Alutrosity·9/12/2016, 12:18:57 AM·6 votes·583 views

I'll post my main point here, everything else below it is just me partially letting off steam and bitching, while trying to make a point at Riot (so if you actually give a genuine fuck about what I have to say, go read it, if you've already decided that it's just going to be mindless complaining, then go suck a lemon or something, I don't know) Anyway, I believe Riot has been following a pattern of logic that I find to be grossly unreasonable: showing only hat a single player says provides absolutely no form of context to help them better understand what they did wrong. In real life mediations between people (yeah, human psychology works pretty much the same IRL as it does online - believe it,), the mediator asks for both sides of the argument so that they can later on provide CONTEXT to the player. I know Riot can't be fucked to sit down and explain the full context of the situation to the player, because they have a crapton of other shitheads who they need to deal with, but good lord, asking for context is not a sin and it does follow a pattern of stable logic. And yes, I get that you control everything, you can do whatever you want, so don't wave your banner of command (accidental pun) in front of me, because power =|= intelligence.

Read at your own peril:

I got in trouble for retaliating against an AD Bruiser Fizz who initially wanted to go top as Akali but I banned it for the sake of healthy gameplay as well as my own sanity for the following reasons: I despise the assassin bruiser meta, because not only is it toxic (this is something Riot has admitted to being a big issue), but I'm one of those unlucky few who somehow manages to get the moron who doesn't know what they're doing, and winds up bringing down the whole team.

So, he decides to broadcast his dissatisfaction to the entire enemy team through /All Chat, I get called toxic for doing it by the enemy Irelia who - by the way - wound up whooping that sorry motherfucker's ass. Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know banning certain picks was considered toxic behavior unless you did it to SPITE another player you got into an argument with during champion select, or had some other conflict that wasn't directly related to winning the game. So, what do I do? I retaliate, because I have a right to defend myself, and no I do not have to be the "bigger man" in this scenario, because when someone thinks you're toxic you're pretty much already screwed from the start, so being nice doesn't factor into the equation.

This leads to some back and forth arguing, with me becoming progressively more irritated with the little bastard ontop of being harassed by the enemy. Keep in mind this Irelia asked me why I was being so toxic at some point, then after I explained it to, did a complete 180 and started complaining about how she didn't want to "hear" my opinion. Couple this with the Viktor not controlling his laner and letting them roam without pinging a single mia, and I'm already starting to steam with anger and frustration, because now I have to deal with not only one whiny little instigator, but now I have to try and manage the Viktor's poor map awareness.

You can say but "Hey, Alutrosity just mute them", and you know what, you're fucking right, I should have muted both those fuckers. It would have been the logical thing to do and saved me the trouble of a 24 game chat suspension. Yes, I have a history, yes I've reformed for the most part, but history follows you wherever you go in LoL, so I can't really change that. With all that said, with all my admittance to having made a mistake that wound up costing my ability to fully communicate with my teammates for the remaining 20 games I'm in... from the standpoint of protecting my account, sure I could and should do better.

As far as being able to retaliate against an instigator who calls you toxic for doing something that was well within your rights goes? Unless I launch a personal attack on the Fizz try to make him feel worthless as a person (not player, that is a very different thing and we all know it), tell him I'm going to punish him for his stupidity by saying something hideous and heinous like I'm going to find and gun him down, or something even worse like for example: "hey zac, you really suck at positioning, are you this bad in the sack too?" going after a person's sexual dignity, then I have not launched a personal attack. I hurled insults back and forth yes, because it's a fucking GAME, we have the right to disagree and express our disagreements in whatever way we see fit provided it doesn't expand to arguments unrelated to game that pertain to the player's personal character - hence PERSONAL attack.

TL;DR Stop being lazy and help provide context to your fucking player-base so you can better improve them (and myself) as members of the community, and learn to differentiate insults that pertain strictly to the game itself and what is happening within it from personal attacks that are actually designed to hurt people. This speaks largely to your inability and unwillingness to interpret context in arguments that can and will legitimately help you "police" your community in a more productive manner that doesn't wind up alienating those who - while hot tempered - are not so fucking hot-tempered they wind up going supernova and end up causing "devastating" levels of harm to other players who - while more sensitive - can have their sensitivity catered to in a way that makes real sense.

26 Comments

Deep Terror Nami9/12/2016, 12:24:25 AM6 votes

You can't control what the other players do, you can only control your response to it. They will be treated the same as you by the system, receiving punishment if they are consistently or extremely toxic, and if you don't retaliate with negative behavior then you won't have anything to worry about.

I highly recommend muting players as soon as they start being negative in chat. If you decide you're going to listen to them all game you'll end up regretting it; muting does not reduce the effectiveness of your reports either.

If they are trolling, there is nothing you can do if they won't stop after you're nice about it. When you get abusive though, they are far more likely to step up their negative behavior and direct it at you than stop, so it's best not to egg them on.

GaleWinUnleashed9/12/2016, 9:56:51 PM4 votes

They send you all of the logs that are relevant: Yours. You are responsible for controlling your own actions even in the face of provocation.

Context does give a fuller picture of the situation, but it does not change what you said and did.

themachamp9/12/2016, 6:07:04 AM3 votes

"justice"? ...justice left the building when making $$$$$ became the number one priority. They will use any excuse to ban an acct so they can make more money by people being tempted to buy back their skins/champs...buy ip/xp boosts to level again..etc.

Astôlfo9/12/2016, 9:32:15 PM3 votes

Context is irrelevant. There is no need to show full logs. Deal with it.

Kei1439/12/2016, 2:54:23 AM2 votes

How does context matter?

Full chat logs or no, you were still toxic and you would still have been ◁punished.

Full logs just gives you an extra opoortunity to blame others for an "unreasonable" punishment.

Or you want "justice" more after seeing what they said. Inwhich what you want is better visibility on the behavioral system. Which we all agree we need, but won't get it until after the new client is up and running smoothly.

Did you know that tankali and bruiser fizz were fotm for a period of time? Their power has been toned down a bit now that iceborne gauntlet, sunfire, and grasp of the undying has been nerfed, but they are still decently strong.

ModPrandine9/12/2016, 4:15:48 AM1 votes

90% of the time context doesn't matter since even if it was provided it wouldn't change a thing in regards to the punishment verdict handed down. Besides, you are only judged on your behavior and your behavior alone. Yes someone else may have gotten you mad enough to act that way but the truth of the matter is is that you chose to type out stuff that you knew would get you in trouble. As far as retaliation goes, all it does is give people a valid excuse and reason to report you for negative behavior as well. If you don't retaliate negatively back then you deny the trolls what they want: to take you down with them. From Understanding the Tribunal:

4) That player in my game was far worse than me. Why am I banned??? a) I'll keep this one simple: retaliation isn't OK. Reacting to a toxic player by being toxic just incites that player to be even worse--it also ruins the game for up to 8 other players. It is far, far worse to watch two people yelling at each other all game than it is to watch 1 player ranting into blank space. Almost everyone in the game can find someone out there that behaves worse than they do--but so what? Finding someone worse doesn't justify your behavior or justify retaliation. We expect more out of our players. What players often don't realize is... those other players in your game that you thought were worse? Nearly 100% of the time, those players were banned even before you were. If someone is being toxic, just report them and move on. If you retaliate, both of you will be banned. It's really that simple.

Now if you want to actually discuss your punishment then please post your entire unedited Reform Card here. Check your email/spam folder and the game client for it-the email has but one game to show, while the game client itself has up to three instead.