IFS ramblings

Awf Meta·3/4/2018, 7:34:12 PM·1 votes·338 views

Riot says the IFS learns from our reports. Well, let's look at the reports. Players pick a subject and are given a box for additional details.

Situation A: Player doesn't fill out additional details. How in the world is the IFS supposed to know what the player found offensive? The IFS is given the entire chat logs and told something in there is supposedly offensive.

Is there a valid reason for not providing additional details? I say yes. Players are encouraged to mute offensive chat. If chat is muted, the player won't know what is being said. Player can't provide additional details because they never saw the details. They muted at the first sign of negativity, therefore, preventing anymore negativity from showing. At best, they would be able to provide a single example.

Situation B: Player fills out additional details. Player has to be exposed to offensive chat so that they can accurately report it. Furthermore, player has to remember the offensive chat because they can only report at end game.

Situation C: Player fills out additional details but is insincere. IFS has to some how determine whether the reported chat was actually offensive. I suspect the IFS does not. Instead, it logs that chat. If that chat becomes reported past a threshold, IFS can then consider the reports valid.

When we consider all the situations together, IFS operates on keywords and phrases. There is nothing there to suggest IFS can determine intentions. That is why "kys" is punished but other forms of the phrase are not punished.

We actually have some evidence that IFS struggles to determine intentions. The intentional feeder detection. We hear it all the time, intent is hard to prove. So only the most obvious of intentional feeders get punished. Well, the same thing applies to IFS. Only the most obvious words and phrases are punished. Over time, the list of obvious negative chat grows. It's not the IFS punishing intentions.

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ModThe Djinn3/4/2018, 7:48:16 PM5 votes

{quoted}Situation A: Player doesn't fill out additional details. How in the world is the IFS supposed to know what the player found offensive? The IFS is given the entire chat logs and told something in there is supposedly offensive.

Yep. But remember this is big data: if the system gets 100,000 reports, all without context, it can look for similar patterns across them vs. patterns found in games without reports, and draw pretty strong conclusions on what the community at large has issues with.

We actually have some evidence that IFS struggles to determine intentions. The intentional feeder detection. We hear it all the time, intent is hard to prove. So only the most obvious of intentional feeders get punished. Well, the same thing applies to IFS. Only the most obvious words and phrases are punished. Over time, the list of obvious negative chat grows. It's not the IFS punishing intentions.

We've seen quite a few times that it is able to pick up on words used in context, such as complaining about a champion vs. a person. It can't know a human's intention, no, but intentions are often conveyed in language at least somewhat, and the system can figure that out.

91929298DEL13/4/2018, 7:54:58 PM1 votes

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