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Defeatist Spirit Ruining League

Hot Load··4 votes·762 views

League of Legends has a large amount of toxic players, and while this is annoying, it is not the most frustrating part of the game for me. The most angering part of the game is the constant, defeatist spirit of other players. The thought of surrendering never crosses my mind... especially when playing ranked. Nearly every single game in ranked, someone on my team wants to surrender... even the games we are winning. WHY IN THE WORLD would you surrender when winning actually matters? Oftentimes, when I refuse to surrender, whoever started the surrender vote will say "this isn't even fun" I want to play a new game. Well, by simple math, and critical thinking, I have figured that approximately 50% of your games will be losses, based on the assumption that you play with players with a similar skill level as you. I know a lot of people love LoL and lets say if you play 6 hours on a Saturday, then on average, you will be hating your life for 3 hours. If the only fun is in winning, why even play? This weakness of the mind and defeatist spirit is really pathetic. One of the best opportunities to improve your game comes from playing against people who are better than you and learning how to beat them. If your first reaction at any sign of resistance is to give up, then you will not only lose at league of legends, but you will lose at life. I also know how often teams throw the game because they either want more kills, or make mistakes or whatever. There is never a game that cannot be won. I know RIOT can't fix peoples personalities. I just wish more players were level headed and courteous.

12 Comments

Zaryelle3 votes

People do give up too early often, but a lot of it is based on how hard LoL snowballs and issues like AFK and bad matchmaking.

  • You can win 4v5, but only if your team is a lot better than theirs, or they're not really trying. If people are about equally skilled, the 5v4 will almost always win.
  • There are a lot of champs that you can't really do much against once they are 'fed', discourages people from trying their best after one or more enemies is very fed.
  • There's also the people who will start nonstop harassing you the rest of the game for giving a kill early. You make one mistake early and this person will insult your positioning/build/etc usually with ping spamming for the rest of the game. These people make most of us just want to end the game asap.
  • Smurfs ruin low level games and predetermine the winning side. One smurf plays against bunch of level 10s, suddenly he is 20/0/10, the other team is still trying with scores like 2/8/2, maybe it's time to forfeit.
  • It's a close game, but that guy on your team just has to flame and tell everyone how bad they are and how hard he's carrying, is not going to motivate anyone to try to win for this guy.

..And many more reasons we just want the game to end, but that being said, I do hate when people give up early and demoralize the team.

Damagefox2 votes

I honestly cant stand playing with most americans, they are the ones who will look at: A) a naked nexus with no guard towers B) an enemy team with not a single tower down C) ally team already flaming and blaming each other and agreeing that "its all jungle/support's fault" D) an enemy scor 2x/3x the ally scor (6 v 32)

and they will look at all this and say "yeah I am so op we can win this" So they turn a match that was over in 20min into a 40 minute torture session because of thier own arrogance and pride. Top it off with this attitude that "Surrender is for weaklings/P&%#!!es" or my favorite "I will report anyone who surrenders" (using the report function as a WEAPON, yeah that works great for teamwork)

So yeah, I look at alot of things before calling for surrender. But with the amount of over-confident, arrogant toddlers who think they are the "best player ever" Its getting easier and easier to get to that point. League players dont want a TEAM. They want WITNESSES. OMG How awesome am I? Did you see me Triple?! Hhaha I carry u scrubs

Its no longer about playing as a team, But fighting over who can "carry" and these people think so highly of themselves, the thought of a match being lost is beyond thier comprehension "what? but...IM Playing. How could the match be lost with ME in it?! Its not possible. I mean....I'M ME! Come on! I am OP"

It really makes me sick and just makes me want to find a team that isnt completely wrapped up in themselves. League is like chess Its about the Checkmate Not how many enemy pawns you capture.

Zaryelle1 votes

I mostly agree with what you're saying, but why did you reply to my post? It has almost nothing to do with what I said.

I am never one to ask people to surrender, unless at least one person is AFK and we are losing very badly, if we are just outmatched but no one is AFK then I'm not going to surrender. I was just saying that there are a lot of legitimate reasons people just want to end the current game to go to another one.

It is very annoying though when we are clearly losing, no one is really trying, no one is grouping together, everyone keeps solo diving them and they get free kills, and they still don't want to forfeit, it's just a waste of time.

Damagefox1 votes

Thats exactly the point I am trying to make. There are conditions (maybe a checklist if you will) I will look at before I consider surrender. But even when that checklist is filled off. People still refuse to surrender. The match could meet those conditions and more and yet people will still refuse surrender because "surrender is for weaklings" I was in a match, and all our jungler looked at was the score. Nothing else. Flat out refused to look at the fact we had NO towers, thiers were for the most part untouched (all of them still standing). They were taking every dragon. our team was already pretty much at each others throats (already passing around the "blame" hat) But because we were ahead in kills (by about 2-3 kills) she ignored everything and would not let the team surrender. So a match that was over in 15 minutes, was dragged out into a 30 minute torturous flame war because the idea that a match is lost is not allowed. a sort of "This team has ME on it, how could we lose?!" mentality.

Morality Coach1 votes

lol, I had a loser team like that try to glom onto me cause I had farmed 300 minions and was level 18 and they were still lvl 14. Told those suckas to go put some pressure on the map or I'd afk. Do not expect me to start bad teamfights with you top if I know you can't do anything but feed.

We still won that game and tilted the enemy team.

Nyaboron1 votes

The 3 hours of enjoyment you get outweigh the 3 hours of disappointment. You shouldn't hate your life when you're losing, but the negative feelings make the positive feelings much better, otherwise I'd just play bots all day. There is a time and a place for surrendering, and I do think that if your team has exhausted all win conditions, you should surrender to save time and move on (such as you're an all early-game, 1 damage type, or no tank team vs a late game comp and you're already behind significantly). Low elo players won't usually know what win conditions are, and the other team also being low elo will definitely make mistakes on closing games out. I don't think people should ff as quickly as they sometimes do (and a lot has to do with the salty and stressful nature of the game), but it is what it is. I wish I didn't have a tyler1 fanboy last night int in front of a rito employee but whatevs.

Dominick Destine1 votes

A grandmaster chess player will tip over his king when he realizes that his ability to win (or stalemate) has been compromised.

High level chess players that drag out games are often considered fools.

Hot Load2 votes

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A grandmaster chess player will tip over his king when he realizes that his ability to win (or stalemate) has been compromised.

High level chess players that drag out games are often considered fools.

You can't compare chess to league in this way. Chess is mathematical, and high level chess players realize an absolute inability to win because they are so good at the game. League has 5 players per side, and you have to take into account mistakes other players make that will make openings for you to win.

Damagefox1 votes

League, Like chess, Is also STRATEGIC. But when you have People on the match that are only conserned with thier own selfish ends. The match is lost. This is why I say League Is Like Chess. You cant see the checkmate, if all you care about is how many pawns YOU capture People dont care about taking out the nexus, they just want the most kills. Often the nexus is just a happy accident. I have seen matches where the nexus is last hit. But as soon as an enemy respawns, the team will abandon the nexus and go chase the spawned enemy champion. All they care about is "I took the most pawns, I am the best, i have the most kills"

Kei1431 votes

typically people admit defeat when they feel like they can't win.

This is either they are good enough to see that there is no winning condition, or they are too bad to see a winning condition.

MUSHROOM MIDGET1 votes

if 50% of your games are losses and losses are not fun, the only way to spend most of your time winning is to surrender and surrender early.

Wiggle Dat Butt1 votes

If the game depended only on your play versus another player, then I could respect this comment. However, when you constantly have shitters in this awful matchmaking system, it is completely not worth it to even try at certain points. I can't count how many times I've been the only lane that wins (9 times out of 10 without help from my jungler), and then here comes the 5vs1 over and over because they know I'm the only person they have to kill to win.

You generally can tell whether a game is going to be a loss or if you have a chance. I mean if you are playing jungle and you have made calls constantly, and you watch your teammates afk farm ignoring your pings while their lane opponents literally walk right in front of them, straight to you, and they sit there like braindead vegetables, there is no point in dragging the game out past 20 minutes. Honestly I wouldn't object for the minimum to be lowered to a 10 minute surrender because players are AWFUL this season. Never have I seen skill level so low as this season.

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