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Creating a Friendly Environment Between Players "Honorable Queue"

Weirdy·1/6/2019, 10:58:18 PM·29 votes·16,929 views

I feel as if I have been receiving increasingly more toxicity from the League of Legends community. It has become a terrible experience as a season 1 player to continue to receive this toxic behavior from players. I appreciate the steps Riot has and is taking to punish players conduct, but lets be real. We know we need to implement something new, or should I say, something more strict. Now with this statement I know a lot of negative thoughts can develop. Riot is a large company and need to make money, and if we punish players too severely they wont come back. Riot would lose revenue.

I have a solution. This is where I believe you need to rethink your system for league of legends Honor and Competitive play. My recommendation is to create what I call the "Honorable Queue" in which players who choose to enter are held to a higher standard then current League of Legends. This would be a strictly positive atmosphere only. People who choose to play in the Honor Queue would be volunteering themselves to be held to a higher standard. Players who do not volunteer to join the Queue are not forced to be held to a standard that is not agreed upon with all of the community. Negative behaviors would be punished with bans from the Honorable Queue. You could really lay into strong punishment while still allowing players to play your game even after receiving bans from the Honorable Queue. This system can be enforced by player reports in the Honorable Queue.

As a player, I'm tired of not being able to relax and play a calm friendly game of League without get flamed or worse all game. It's really is OLD. The Tribunal really was a great system back in the day, but I understand the issues it developed and why Riot removed it. Riot's current system really is not working any better in my opinion. I do feel like I have the first hand game time experience to state this claim. The solution is found by not punishing toxic players, but by rewarding the players who promote a positive environment with a Queue they won't have to worry about toxic behaviors in. As a player, I don't want to be rewarded with merchandise. I want my time playing the game to be the reward. I play this game to have fun, and playing a friendly game is a rare treat.

This is a big project. To give an idea towards making it possible (lets say a possible first step) would be to make this honorable Queue what ranked is today. All Riot would need to do is up the enforcement for toxic behavior to stronger bans from the Ranked play. I know for a fact that this would be a positive influence for the community who is there to enjoy a competitive friendly game of League of Legends.

I hope you did not take my conversation as a bash towards Riot as a company in any way. I am just a passionate player who desires to see an environment full of positive players willing to work together and have fun. Keep up the good work!

64 Comments

ModUlanopo1/7/2019, 12:06:31 AM9 votes

How would you address the concern of people thinking anything goes in the regular queue because there's a "snowflake queue"?

Ferrinova1/6/2019, 11:29:02 PM7 votes

This sounds amazing! You should apply for a job in their company because you sound like you could really make a change here. I dont know if this post will even be looked at by anyone from riot other than MODERATORS that cant do much im guessing considering all the great ideas we put out that are now years old. Thanks for giving us some cool ideas though, this is really good!

Mama Soraka1/7/2019, 12:08:21 AM5 votes

I would happily opt into a queue with stricter rules. I don't break rules so I'd only stand to gain from nicer team-mates.

I'm not really sure how high the demand for this queue would be, since I don't run into truly awful people that often but its still a nice idea.

SaltyCauseBad1/7/2019, 1:14:43 PM4 votes

Why dont you make a que that puts you in your honour level?

Honour lvl 0 que - Mostly toxic people, standard is low etc Honour lvl 1 que - Some toxic, standard is normal Honour lvl 2 que - Mostly friendly normal individuals, standard is normal Honour lvl 3 que - All friendly individuals, standard medium Honour lvl 4/5 - Friendly individuals who encourage people, Very high standard

FixHealsRemoveGW1/7/2019, 1:09:52 PM3 votes

Honor is meaningless, you can intentionally ruin games and still be honorable. Maybe stop promoting this snowflake mentality and don't give players tools to punish their own team mates.

There is nothing honorable about being lazy borderline troll and getting triggered, calling people toxic when you are inevitably being called out for it. League of Legends is a bit like living in Soviet Russia, nobody really works but if you don't like someone you can report them. Not a good environment for a competitive game and it actually promotes lunatic behavior and doesn't help the serious players in any way shape or form.

Playing well should be the only thing that matters. Period. There already is a system for that, it's called ranked.

What happened to "toxic players lose more games"? If that would be the case, why do we need an extra system that rewards and punishes behavior that is not even gameplay related? Is losing games not punishing enough? Or is this actually just a lie and toxicity doesn't even correlate with performance? How is toxicity defined anyway? I guess it's rather subjective, the other day I asked somebody to get an important item and immediately he started writing in all chat calling me toxic and asking for reports. That's just a prime example of how the fight against toxicity backfires in really ugly ways.

And now this thread basically suggests to turn a competitive game into an interactive group therapy, where everyone is so obsessed with quantifying how people behave, that they simply forget the basics of the game.

That's honestly the last thing this game needs.

Also if you are genuinely trying to play well and work with your team, you literally don't have the time to come up with insult or worry about how people behave and who deserves a report. The report calling and excessive flaming usually starts when people have given up anyway. When you are focused on the game any offensive comment is just a sidenote.

Most likely being offensive doesn't make you lose, but people tend to get offensive when they already lost. So maybe stop acting like this "toxicity" is the source of all problems. You didn't lose because your team mates where toxic, your team mates just started flaming because everyone was playing like shit. It really is that simple.

ModCaliCoastReplay1/7/2019, 1:33:55 AM3 votes

I love this idea. I really think there need to be more incentives for honor and goodness and better ways to keep toxicity away from those who are making a commitment towards positivity!

Baka Red1/7/2019, 8:43:47 AM3 votes

I guess that even if you don't look at this as a reverse prisoner island of a kind, there are some flaws in this. The worst flaw I can quickly see is that a change like that would increase queue times. If the split was 50/50 between "Regular" and "Honorable" queues, the queue times would double (I believe that in some queues that would cause some serious waiting - for me it would only mean about a minute of extra queue time so "no problem" for me, but double ten or twenty minutes and that will be too much). It would be even worse if the split between "Honorable Queue" and "Regular Queue" was for example 10/90 in either way, one queue would have 10 times longer queue times than he has "now", while the other would not be in practice affected. Would you stay in the 10 times longer queue or would you move to the other queue to get to the match sooner? I know would move to the faster queue in that scenario - I won't be punished in whatever queue I am in, and I could mute & report the bad guys in whatever queue I would play in.

Scenario 1: If the "Honorable Queue" was the faster one, that would potentially kill the "Regular Queue" and people's accounts who .. misbehave. That in turn would mean that your voluntary "Honorable Queue" in practice just turn "Regular Queue" to a Prisoner Island in reality.

Scenario 2: If the "Regular Queue" was faster, the Honorable Queue players would have to wait longer for their match and thus the Honorable Ones would be punished with their much longer queue times. Fair eh?

Sorry to say, but I find it quite unlikely this idea would work.

Midg3t1/7/2019, 6:59:28 AM2 votes

You had me until you mentioned that players in Honorable Queue should be held to higher standards. First of all, what do i get from it? If it's just a normal queue but stricter, then there is no benefit for me.

Secondly, for some players, it would be stressful. Lemma ask you this, what exactly do you mean by 'higher standards'? If I say 'this is an easy game' would that be punishable? Or would I be required to compliment my teammates every couple of minutes? Personally, that shit would move my focus to sucking my teammates dicks instead to the game.

Imagine playing ranked and instead of making sure you dont fuck up in the lane you're checking every single thing you type/ping to make sure you dont offend your teammates. That's not the game I would like to play. This is League, not Babysitting Simulator.

Now I could go to normal queue but there is a posibility that Honorable queue would just weed out 'non-toxic players' leaving only toxic ones, making normal queue even worse.

So now you have honorable queue which can put pressure on you to not say ANYTHING that might make your teammates offended, or play with toxic shits. Both are mentally draining if you're asking me.

But let's pretend to go with your idea. How do you think players would behave in that queue? Do you REALLY think every1 would be super nice to each other? Fuck no, players would keep their mouth shut and play, not rly different from normal queue.

Aladoron1/7/2019, 10:47:27 AM2 votes

It's just prisoner island with extra steps.

Also, it would break the ranking system. Having 2 total different scales, or did you plan it only for normals?

Gall1/7/2019, 5:26:28 PM2 votes

I'm honor level 5 but after half my games I scream at the top of my lungs saying the worst things imaginable as a way to vent :-/.

Would be nice to play with people who are actually nice.

PaladinNO1/7/2019, 7:14:10 PM2 votes

You can count me in! If being held to harsher rules can restore some of the fun I once had (RIP season 3), then I'm game for it.

When occasionally saying "gl hf, y'all <3" on game start, whether it's Normals, Ranked or a rotating game queue, getting replies like "fuck you" or "suck a dick" really makes me wonder if it's worth playing at all.

There was a time getting silence in return to a friendly comment was the worst thing that would happen.

WatchYourHeadM81/8/2019, 7:29:32 AM2 votes

I remember a time when intelligent people would laugh at someone calling them an ass or getting ksd and not need to cry about it, or even use the mute button like any other logical person would. Then again most late 20s and 30s people are this easily triggered and childish irl nowadays so maybe the shift isn’t a shock

The Highest Noon1/9/2019, 12:11:19 AM2 votes

On a fresh account with 0 infractions got three games with all three teams full of "kys" and other toxicity. It actually made my face contort from some emotion that I don't even understand.

I WISH there was something to separate the toxic from the not, but "no prisoner island it's a bad idea apparently" says Riot.

HereForCookies1/9/2019, 5:47:23 PM2 votes

What about a que that only the honorable players can join, a que where you have to be the highest honor level (and maybe been for some weeks) to join? Some kind of restriction like that is really needed. The past weeks have been hell. At least in gold/silver ranks.

This preseason have been like a horror movie. (not the good kind, but the B-kind) I have ranked down like shit, and not just because of bad plays from my part. I feel like all the games I've played the past 3 weeks I have been some kind of kindergarten teacher for a bunch of kid bullies... -.- I love the game, I really do, but I'm seriously thinking of quitting now...

Dllesh1/7/2019, 1:08:01 AM2 votes

i would join this in a heartbeat and be the goodest boy ever on at least 1 of my accounts if this happened.... and i would prob only play that account from now on..... i love this idea so vry much...

edit: i want to add as others have mentioned, there is almost no incentive (to me at least) to watch what you say at the moment, we all see people constantly break the rules, we sometimes break them ourselves and we dont get punished, you have to go on a bit of a tilt to actually get punished and even then its prob only a 10 game chat restriction, the rules are incredibly lenient, vague and not seen to be enforced.... some amazing pro examples are thrown in our face all the time by their fans...

The Bad Touch1/7/2019, 4:14:52 PM2 votes

I couldn't give less of a shit about this.

If it gets the annoying ass kissers outta my games then fuck it... make it so.

ZeroDeFighter1/7/2019, 11:46:24 AM1 votes

I agree with you somewhat on what you have said. I don't like to go against riot, but I want to criticize that if riot lets toxicity goes on, then it's like breaking other people's hearts, breaking them down and develop psychological issues, as they just want to enjoy their moments into the game. I think we also need to highlight players into different types of behaviour they display, to let others know who they can trust and who they can't.

Effram1/13/2019, 9:06:07 PM1 votes

This would be a strictly positive atmosphere only.

Define positive. Is someone obligated to chat with positive messages?

People who choose to play in the Honor Queue would be volunteering themselves to be held to a higher standard. Players who do not volunteer to join the Queue are not forced to be held to a standard that is not agreed upon with all of the community. Negative behaviors would be punished with bans from the Honorable Queue. You could really lay into strong punishment while still allowing players to play your game even after receiving bans from the Honorable Queue.

If it's ranked, would it have the same legitimacy as other queues? If not, I see why some people would like this for casual play, but in my experience, rotating game modes accomplish the same ends. I rarely see toxicity in Nexus Blitz, ARAM, URF, etc. People who are toxic in those games are way more likely to be ignored than in ranked (again, just my experience). Muting all works wonders too!

The utopia does sound nice though...

Captain Mayora1/6/2019, 11:34:47 PM1 votes

That's a reverted "prisoner island" and that's about as bad.

Dukues1/7/2019, 10:53:45 PM1 votes

lol.... what's with you kids and thinking Riot can just add queues. More queues = increased wait time, which Riot is not going to want to deal with.

If you haven't noticed, unless it's something that regards to LCS Riot wont care. What makes you think they willing to make any changes that benefit players? lol.

I would rather them spend any and every second fixing the game and making it actually fun again then making a worthless queue for people who can't be bothered to use the damn mute button if they don't want to see "toxic" messages.

This game has been toxic since the start...... how are people still crying about this? Its not even as bad as it used to be lol. Plus... mute button and disable all chat so fucking easy to do......

I personally am only more toxic these days because I hate every second I play of League. Which.... I don't play much anymore. And when I say "toxic" I mean bitching about how bad the game has gotten in all chat. Which.... maybe that bothers some people most people just ignore it.

There are so many more things wrong with this game making it unplayable than someone typing a "mean" message to you. Sorry fam. Mute works... it really does use it so we don't have to waste time reading these posts lol.

Kyaza1/9/2019, 12:13:42 AM1 votes

Weirdy how would you deal with people choosing to run it down or int? you cant just ban people with a certain number of deaths.