LoL Community Vs. CS:GO Community (Youtube Video)

nShRl4OImK·Jan 8, 2016·4 votes·1,891 views

Here is a video that I edited in order to compare the potential of a regular LoL match (playing at plat 2) with most of the time a regular CS:GO match playing MGE which I see as equal ranks.

I always see a lot of concern about "the LoL community," but really it's not the community, it's just human beings feeling 100% safe behind a keyboard or a microphone to be able to say and act as people they truly are.

Let me know what you guys think either on the video or in this thread and try to bump this post up to bring light to this whole "worst community" thing.

20 Comments

CorgiParadeJan 8, 20162 votes

I'm pretty sure that one of the reasons LoL has a more toxic community is because there's 2-3x as large of a player base, making it easier to run into toxic players. Another thing that I'd say influences the toxic playerbase is how frustrating it can be to play while behind, and from my experence you don't really have that issue on CS:GO.

~~Also, all of the toxic kiddies go to CoD instead of CS:GO~~

nShRl4OImKJan 8, 20165 votes

My honest opinion on why CS:GO is "less toxic" is due to the fact that Valve/Steam, in general, tells you to grow some balls and deal with shit talkers or use the block communications function as it's intended. On LoL we have kids literally being kids and complaining because someone said something to them and just report them in hopes that they said or say something that will get them punished.

Most reports are purely out of ass hurt, not out of the righteous feeling of "oh man he's a bad influence on the community I should report him." It's: "man he hurt my feelings, so im going to report him out of a personal vendetta."

That's the problem with LoL is that Riot baby's it's players instead of letting them realize there's a mute function to utilize. Look at popular streamers and pro players when they stream; they instantly mute people that are toxic and don't report them because they know that they could be having a bad day or they just don't care to report them because they wont even remember that person the next day.

Honestly, if in-game voice chat was implemented just like in DOTA, I guarantee most of the keyboard warriors would be taken care of...extremely easily.

That's just how I personally feel though.

TrulyBlandJan 9, 20161 votes

{quoted} Most reports are purely out of ass hurt, not out of the righteous feeling of "oh man he's a bad influence on the community I should report him." It's: "man he hurt my feelings, so im going to report him out of a personal vendetta."

Woah, you have mind-reading powers? Awesome! Quick, what number am I thinking of?

Vistha KaiJan 9, 20161 votes

TrulyBlandJan 10, 20161 votes

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Nope... π A bit unfair, I know. But unless it's about integers, I usually pick π or e, or some square root; for teh lulz.

Vistha KaiJan 10, 20161 votes

42 is the answer to the life, the universe and everything, though.

TrulyBlandJan 11, 20161 votes

I am aware.... but π is the answer to "what do I have to multiply with the diameter of a circle to receive the circumference?" as well as many other math related questions... It can also be the answer to "What should I eat today?" I feel like those are also some very life-defining questions. #pilivesmatter

nShRl4OImKJan 9, 20162 votes

^ passive aggressive shit like this is the only thing toxic about LoL...and if you said that in a game of LoL to someone who was doing bad you would get reported.

and it would be punished by most people.

TrulyBlandJan 10, 20161 votes

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^ passive aggressive shit like this is the only thing toxic about LoL...and if you said that in a game of LoL to someone who was doing bad you would get reported.

and it would be punished by most people.

I'm sorry, but it's just a bit hard to take your post seriously when it so strongly relies on an assumption about why people report chat behaviour; made by someone who from context, probably doesn't even do it. You don't want to report for chat based incidents and that's fine. But that doesn't mean that every person that does so is just driven by some form of weird revenge,

I'll be the first to admit that it feels good reporting someone that has been an asshole to you all game. But that's not the thing that makes me report them. After all I won't even know whether this report will even do anything. What I care about is the next person that will be in game with this idiot. It's the same reason why I report feeders actually. After all, the chances that I play with that person again are not really that high. But somebody will. And hopefully that somebody is also reporting bad behaviour so I won't be stuck with the same type of players that originally played with him.

So yes. I do, in fact, report to improve the community. You can choose to believe this, you can choose not to believe this. But your belief doesn't change the fact that bad behaviour, exhibited via chat or game mechanics, is ultimately bad for the enjoyment of the game and there is no absolutely no reason not do anything against it.

nShRl4OImKJan 10, 20161 votes

The feeding you're talking about is, in most cases, a result of some sort of verbal abuse given to them for playing poorly to begin with. It's really everyone's fault in that case that no one tried to console the person being verbally abused for playing poorly. I have played thousands upon hundreds of games since beta and I am very comfortable in my "assumption" within those several thousand games. The average toxic person ran in to is not the guy spamming racial slurs and death threats at someone; it's the guy saying "gg" "shit team" "ez" and those are the ones who are put at the same level as someone being racist and verbally abusing and targeting a specific person. I don't report anyone, because how can we pass judgement on someone who is acting toxic if we don't give them respect or act as a role model that they should see? Riot tells us to just mute and report, that fixes things for you sure, but I don't want to just report someone and have them be punished to HOPE they change.

I want them to feel bad for acting the way they do by killing them with kindness. I want them to potentially see that being kind can help people beyond their behavior in a video game, not force them to be kind out of the fear of a ban. I believe in positive reinforcement, not fear, threatening, or silencing.

TrulyBlandJan 10, 20161 votes

First off, I'd just like to clarify: I meant intentional feeders. I believe from what you said that you understood me, but I just want to be sure. I report people only when I am 100% certain that they are intentionally feeding.

Anyway... I see where you are coming from, and I strive to be a positive influence myself in the way I act. But I'm also realistic enough to know that we ultimately need both. We need the fear of punishment for those who act purely out of egoistic reasons, and we need positive reinforcement for those who are willing to improve their behaviour if you show them how.

I just was annoyed by the notion that most reports are made purely because of "ass hurt"; mainly because it's not verifiable without accessing Riot's data (the people that feel the need to inform someone that they reported them are obviously going to be more likely to have reported out of spite than the unknown amount of people that report silently).

That said, I would love to see a in-depth statistic on reports some time from Riot. How many reports are straight up discarded as false reports, how many people report falsely, etc. etc.

I respect your way of dealing with toxic people; I really do. But I would wish that you would likewise show a bit more respect towards people that deal with toxic people via reports, instead of discarding most of them by simply calling them "ass hurt".

nShRl4OImKJan 10, 20161 votes

I'm all for being a realist..but the realism you just prided yourself in should also tell you that reports in most cases are through ass hurt. Someone is pissed off at the other player? Report. Granted the person that his ass hurt usually has the right to report, which is them verbally abusing the person, it defeats the purpose of WHY they reported them; which is because that person hurt THEIR feelings. Not the notion of: "he's going to ruin other people's games." He only thinks: "he ruined my experience."

I guess i'm using ass hurt as a wild term for selfish. I also don't look at ANY statistics Riot puts out about reform and reports or improved behavior because there's zero way they can tell that. If they have to ask you if you have more than one account, then they have no way of making a pure statistic like: "we improved this many people's behaviors since the new system," since in reality that means: "we have punished this many players."

lolptwoJan 9, 20161 votes

I'll be frank with you here, what you consider toxic is really not that toxic at all in comparison to normal standards in League. You're showing things I see every game. If you want to see toxic I could post at least 20 screenshots of the most berating, disgusting things said in the community of League, and the most trolly of trolls(comes into champ select - I'm feeding so dodge your promo or lose your choice, because F you N****) Sent in so many submit tickets to Riot without anything being done about it that I just gave up trying to clean up the community.

Waiting the day for tribunal to come back. Yes CS:GO can be toxic, but for some reason it's way easier for me to ignore it also the Kick Player thing is a huge benefit.

nShRl4OImKJan 9, 20161 votes

That's the problem...the community doesn't need cleaned up, it needs to have the report option taken away so they are more abt to not caring and utilizing the mute option, but the behavior that is shown is exactly what is seen in a game-to-game basis in LoL: player starts losing, player demands from team, player threatens team, player insults team. That's all it is, and as for racial slurs..those are childish. I don't report people because I will literally forget about them the next day and I know that I can easily mute the person and continue on with my day.

Riot is so busy trying to "clean up" toxic players yet they allow them to make another account THEY EVEN RECOMMEND IT. Though getting an account permabanned does change some player's views or even forces them out of the game, there will be people who don't see the light, even yet, will be even more toxic as a sort of rebellious cry.

It's also easier for you to ignore because they talk..again..I say add voice chat to LoL and that'll fix some problems as well as FORCE people to mute toxic players if they're being obnoxious.

lolptwoJan 9, 20161 votes

I agree with what most of you said. However the permabanned players making new accounts is not all that bad for Ranked play in League. Studies show most toxic players are Permabanned again by Lv 8 when creating a new account. So it would take genuine reform for them to make lv30 without that much toxicity. Also the loss of having a entire account of skins, runes, etc and champions is a long long long grind and wear that sometimes takes YEARS. So making them go through this process is a big punishment

nShRl4OImKJan 10, 20161 votes

That's the problem...why do they need to be punished? Why do we need to put this shroud of threat and punishment on a community? It's forcibly silencing people and creating a fear to even want to talk in games for some out of fear that what they say can be taken out of context and then punished in the system they have implemented. Not to mention the lack of attempts the "nontoxic" community doing to help improve people's behavior (and I don't mean reporting).

When you see someone toxic, how many times do you hear "just mute him and report him after." There's no attempt to console the person. Maybe he's having a rough time outside of LoL, perhaps he's been put under a ton of stress that could inevitably cause him to crack once he plays poorly and is eventually verbally abused or passive aggressively taunted by a teammate/enemy. Riot has no sympathy or empathy for people and create judgement based on such few games in a short span of time.

Why not take a voting system within the game relative to like CS:GO...but instead voting to kick you vote to give them that temporary chat ban or permanent chat ban during the game? Yes...it could be taken advantage of by teams of toxic players, but I believe it beats permanently denying someone access to an account they could have potentially spent hundreds of dollars and hours which could only add to a load of stress they don't need during the time of them being toxic..and could even cause a downward spiral in their life knowing they lost that money and effort.

We, as a community, need to all be nicer...not just be silent....that's called fear...

SauceyapplesJan 9, 20161 votes

Good post, Flexski, I agree [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

nShRl4OImKJan 10, 20161 votes

Thanks man, I appreciate the support.

EndGamer11Jan 10, 20161 votes

TBH, the toxicity problem is one that will always exist as long as there is any form of communication ingame. Weather voice or text, toxicity will exist. LoL has problems, Dota has them, CSGO has them. All in different forms of course, because of the presence of voice chat in Dota and CSGO.

It is regrettable that LoL is a genre that does not adequately support vote-kick, however that is a function of the type of features in LoL (leveling, item builds, champion choice) that are not present in CSGO. Dota has a system for leavers that seems interesting and that I would like to see some iteration of it in LoL.

Most of all, LoL tries to be friendly to a wider audience than both Dota and CSGO. As such, it is important that younger players are not stuck with players likely to ruin their experience. I think this is the key difference between the games. Dota and CSGO already have their playerbase, while LoL constantly expands theirs.

Personally, I think the systems in place here are doing an acceptable job (as can be seen by some of the posts on these forums), but could always be better.

nShRl4OImKJan 10, 20161 votes

That's pretty much the point I made at the end of the video was "people are people no matter what game they're playing." Yet, people always say that LoL has the worst community...when in reality it's just childish insults, bickering, and complaining for the most part. Out of all the games i've played since beta, I actually haven't ran in to a bunch of games where someone is being ridiculously vulgar with racism or death threats. The majority of toxicitiy is just calling someone/a team bad and the club penguin community that LoL is encouraged to attempt to remove that person from the game instead of just muting them.

For example:

Blizzard support (when WoW had more players than LoL..so in it's prime): Tells you to utilize the blacklist feature if you're being harassed or verbally abused and that it is not reportable. Yes, when the barrens chat banter was toxic as any game ever...yet we all survived barrens chat.

Steam/Valve: Tells you to utilize the mute/block communications feature and verbal abuse/harassment is not a large concern in the community since it is able to be handled within the game by each individual player.

Xbox Live: Utilize the mute/block feature

PSN: Utilize the block/in-game mute feature.

Riot, other than obviously club penguin..which is funny, is the only organization that punishes players for saying "gg ez." Not to mention even punishes players that ask for a player to be reported...even though Riot encourages reporting...a large player base is only a piece of the problem. The main problem is Riot's infamously terrible customer service to not be able to handle WHAT SHOULD REALLY BE PUNISHED (death threats, racism, harassment/cyber bullying) and they just lazily put all of it in to one category and say "report."

If Riot truly cared...they would invest in to their customer support, not their player punishments.