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What made you change your behavior (positively)

Kei143·10/30/2019, 2:09:52 AM·4 votes·5,344 views

So in another discussion about permaban vs permamute, I mentioned how the 4 tier verbal punishment system is based on Riot's old behavior findings, where they distinguished that a person after 4 punishments aren't likely to reform, and thus they would rather tell those people they aren't welcome in the game by giving them a permaban.

Now I know that people have different timings to decide that they have to change their behavior. Some never reoffend after the first punishment, some will take actions after a 14-day ban. I've seen people only change their ways after a permaban, and then there are those super rare ones that will finally change after a few lost accounts.

This makes me wonder what is it that makes people change the behavior? Understanding the system and knowing what you said wasn't cool? Fear of losing the account? Getting tired of permabans? Just gotten more mature after a long hiatus?

I want to understand when and how something clicked in your mind to change you behavior. So can you please let me inside your mind and tell me what made you change your behavior, and at what stage were you at on the punishment scale.

9 Comments

Scarefish10/30/2019, 9:08:41 AM6 votes

Well I'll tell you what hasn't. The white knight army in this forum that spam downvotes on posts simply asking for clarifications on rules. I guess they have nothing better to do than act like they're gods for being so holy and righteous.

Emperør Rhaast10/30/2019, 11:16:16 AM5 votes

I'm the owner of an amount of permabanned accounts well into the double digits. I was hella toxic - first I just defended myself from flamers, then started flaming people myself.

I don't know when it happened, but after getting one of my accounts banned after raging at a teammate for misplaying, I realised there is absolutely nothing to gain from my behavior. I am the kind of person that makes the league of legends community so vile, and it needed to change. I can't change what my teammates do. I can change what I do and say.

I started a new account with intentions to reform. My attitude has changed completely. Sometimes a play tilts me so badly that I see red and I want to type in chat and call my team trash, but I manage to hold back and think: actually, that was my mistake. I could've played that better.

I greatly believe that this change will not only help me raise an account to beyond level 79 without getting banned, but also nab season rewards, and generally make me a better player.

Yes, I have never had end-of-season rewards, ever. That's how toxic I am / was. And it's gonna change.

Yin Yang Taoist10/30/2019, 6:08:03 AM4 votes

Was never toxic to begin with. But, talking about my story.

I did get a first time lock after I returned back to the game since Season 2. Apparently, telling someone exactly how wrong they were and correcting them after a good 15 minutes of hearing them bicker, whine and blame me incessantly was my mistake. You can't argue back but only mute, report. This made me miss the Tribunal. Atleast, people reading chatlogs would know who is in the wrong and essentially, correcting someone didn't feel like being 'negative' to me. Toxic was a farcry. But it was, according to Riot because it led to an argument. Got a first time lock for being 'negative' and arguing when the game was basically over by the time I did start replying back. Also, I have noticed but you always get atleast 2 players who absolutely refuse to surrender. Its like their lives are at stake! So there was that, 2 guys wasting time not giving up while they have everything but our Nexus, 10k+ gold up.. while the rest of us sat there arguing.

I'm pretty patient but I find that its easier to play with everyone muted in the new setting. Because. No matter even if you are patient, if someone starts off and you respond then you are in for it. Every dozen games you get a clown who will make it a point to randomly pick someone to turn miserable. I just dislike the concept of listening to crap and not being able to stand up for myself. Was told by Riot that this is only applicable IRL, not in the game. Hah!

Next, talking about toxic players reforming. I'm sure that some actually do but for the most part, I think that they don't, actually. Just find ways to cope better without being explicitly toxic in chat.

And, there are countless ways to get around being explicitly toxic. Spam pinging someone's champ, for example. Throwing ?'s to tilt them further. Or just intentionally letting them die. Being sarcastic in a 'nice' way with smilies. Tarzaned is a good example of this one, if you watch his streams. Same with Tyler1. Watching streamers, I feel that toxic players never really reform. They just learn ways to get around it. I think most of them go nuts cussing out loud IRL to calm themselves down. Atleast, based on streams of previously toxic players I've watched. Like IWD/Wingsofdeathx etc.

Not to downgrade streamers, some of them are exceptionally cool and decent to their teammates even if they are messing around like monkeys (NOT RUSH). Like Boxbox, he's always cool and never blames anyone. Qtpie, Sneaky etc. Rush is just a monkey, I don't know what he types when he says something in korean but I think that he's pretty funny even if he loses, its entertaining.

Doofy The Yam11/7/2019, 6:56:00 PM1 votes

You just give it up. Its fucked up that you have to deal with it in the first place without immediately resorting to mute and mute ping. Thats just how the game and punishment works. I've only ever been banned becuz Ive defended myself. Thats dumb and a waste of time.

Truth is i just care so much less about winning and the game. Just dont feel like trying hard. I can get into plat easily with music in the background and "mute all"

To even try is to make yourself vulnerable so I really dont bother. I dont want my account to be perma banned again. So just give it up

Pater Gascoigne10/31/2019, 10:31:57 AM1 votes

Maybe not the kind of response you were hoping for since I never had to change behaviour but I'll give it a shot anyway. I've played League since 2010 and never recieved a warning, chat restriction, ban, leaver buster or punishment whatsoever. That's because I only use the chat to compliment someone's play or if someone is joking around and I want to join in. There are usually 2 scenarios when you would use the chat in a negative way:

  1. you are getting flamed and want to "fight" back
  2. someone is doing poorly and you want to express your unhappiness

My mindset on this is: why bother? It adds nothing to the game. In fact, it makes things worse since you are probably annoying the rest of the team with your banter. If you are getting flamed, try to be the better person and just don't respond.Report the person after the match if they were obnoxious about it. If someone is seemingly feeding, realize this game is extremely snowbally. Dying once in lane usually means you are screwed unless your jungler helps you or the enemy messes up. Also remember that those people are human beings aswell. Telling them they suck won't magically help them overcome the enemy laner or play better.

Also, try to avoid playing competitive games if you are in a bad mood. You'll get "tilted" pretty fast.

Ludicrum11/2/2019, 4:53:48 PM1 votes

Hello. Ive played with several accounts in the past, whereas my main account got permabanned and the others were untouched. This account got muted afterwards which lead to my hiatus. After coming back, i felt reformed after i noticed how my optimistic behavior was increasing over a certain period. It made me think that my games went better after doing so, because there's always an uncertain amount of regret when i'm in a negative game, which usually leads to ruining the game (intentionally ruining or due to mistakes).

It felt better after winning the game that way than needing to stress because of anger issues externally or internally. I'm afraid that i dont have any direct solution for issues which are caused externally besides muting. But i believe that the community can be reasoned with, so that we can play while understanding eachother.

Stickycupcakex11/6/2019, 6:50:47 PM1 votes

Back in the first couple of years I played, I think I got a few bans, the longest being like.. 3 days but I was also like 15 or 16 when I started playing so I think that had something to do with it as well. After that I decided to not say anything in chat because I didn't want to risk a permaban. Ultimately, my anger and stress levels dropped drastically but the games were a lot less intense and I kind of fell off with League after a while. There was probably a year that I didn't play more than a handful of games.

I also think a lot of influence came from other players that were stupid-positive throughout a losing game and were able to redirect a late game loss to a late game snowball. People get emotional in any kind of PVP game and if you put everyone else in a bad mood, they're just going to want to end as soon as possible. Not only that but a loss can still be a gg if you can make it a learning experience and the best victories I've had were initially losing games. My overall attitude towards it is the people raging are probably kids because I've noticed most people don't act as horribly in the day.

Don't play after school gets out.