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Restore Our Freedom of Expression by Learning to Mute

ofart··5 votes·1,027 views

By reporting for nearly everything, we are teaching the system to punish way too many things and stifling our own freedom of expression even in innocent cases. There's also the problem of false reports with no consequences but that's something else. If you mute someone more often when it's not a truly toxic comment but still bothers you for whatever reason, we can leave the kiddie island and be adults with all our ability to be witty intact instead of living in fear of reprisals for what might be misinterpreted.

I'll just quote my response to this since I don't feel like reformulating what is basically the same idea. I'm not saying the guy doesn't deserve a ban overall but he definitely doesn't based on what was provided as evidence against him so far (assuming it's the real chat).

> > Ok, but why is he presented with the chat log above as "evidence" which is not worthy of even a chat restriction imo. If you're going to ban someone, provide REAL evidence to them instead of hinting there is other stuff. He's not allowed to joke with friends saying things like "noob aaron" which for all we know was when his buddy misplaced a ward or died after having a 10-0 score etc.? > > If the system goes this much by reports rather than objective things, that's an issue affecting freedom of expression and I don't think the rewards are worth it. Honestly, the whole system makes little sense to me because the problems it tries to solve instantly disappear if you mute players. Moreover, if mute was the only way to deal with toxic players, we would feel free to be ourselves and joke around. Also, why ban players for this stuff when you can just permanently revoke their chat privileges? Many players already mute everyone at the start of the game and pings are pretty descriptive so I don't see the issue. > > As an adult, I'm afraid to make jokes, use sarcasm, use profanity for emphasis but with no ill intention etc., I feel like a little kid locked in a playpen when I'm in this game and it's demeaning. I think it's going to make a lot of players over 18 leave the game eventually. Since I limit a lot of my expression, I don't have any issues with my account but it makes it decidedly "un-fun" to have to hold back nearly every joke in fear that some oversensitive prude gets offended. > > I got 3-man turret dived and barely lived not long ago. I wanted to type "gg ez" as a joke and didn't but I find it ridiculous people would get banned for it too. I haven't heard of anyone getting banned for having the opposite opinion and typing "gg hard" so why isn't someone allowed to express the opinion that the game is easy? I'm not saying that it's the nicest thing to say but are we really all 6 year olds and do we need the thought police for every statement? I feel like I'm in Orwell's 1984 and no one wants to live like that. I'd gladly welcome more toxics (who I'd quickly mute) if it meant that I wouldn't have to worry about my chat being flagged as toxic for innocent jokes, sarcasm etc.

BTW: I think the reports system is out of hand in general. I've seen threads with a lot of support from the community for reporting teams for "not ending efficiently." For example, instead of taking Baron and winning, a team might go into the enemy base and get a bunch of kills instead. I consider getting reported for such a thing absolutely insane. First of all, no one has control of the team's decisions and secondly there is a surrender option. If people vote "No", it means they think they have a chance and it's probably exactly because the enemy team is messing around. Just yesterday, TL came back from 11-0 with every inhib down and there is always a sliver of a chance if one's enemies get too careless. In any case, this is simply a gameplay report and I think it's absurd to try to control how people on the enemy team play the game.

27 Comments

AMYS GRAVE17 votes

If i have to mute you, you've likely already ruined the game.

ofart3 votes

You can think a wide array of things ruin the game, and not all of them are reportable or valid. Much of this is opinion and the truth is, that some of the stuff people report for is pretty absurd, as I've indicated. If one comment ruins the game for you, you need thicker skin. You shouldn't have 30 minutes ruined by a single line, regardless of what it is. Moreover, muting will stop further negative influence from that player but a report won't stop him from continuing to annoy you.

I'm not surprised I'm getting downvoted but it just highlights what's wrong with the community. With how little time passed, I doubt anyone even bothered to read and just reflexively downvoted based on the title like some kind of rabid monkey.

I'm not even toxic and don't get punished but the issue is the lack of freedom in expression. I guess some people would rather rescind their freedom than be exposed to any potentially toxic comment. I think that's sad and weak minded. Some people would rather live in a censored and walled society than have their sensibilities tested in any way. Is this the Chinese influence? ;) Are we also going to imprison people for criticizing kings like in Malaysia? The cost in freedom is way too high.

Zielmann3 votes

You're getting downvoted for the overused "freedom of xxx" argument, which is invalid in this context.

Much of this is opinion and the truth is, that some of the stuff people report for is pretty absurd as I've indicated.

This is true. Which is why it's a good thing that the system doesn't actually punish for for the nonsensical reports. Beyond that, when people abuse the feature, their reports eventually drop in weighting, eventually to the point where the system ignores them completely.

The biggest 'problem' I see is when people come around spouting wildly false claims about a system that they don't understand fully enough to be making such claims.

ofart2 votes

It's not invalid in the slightest and has only been presented due to a lot of evidence in support of it. It isn't a hypothetical and there is way more than just the chat log I linked. People are way too sensitive and the automated system doesn't understand sarcasm, context or jokes. Thus, if you get reported by one of these people who may not even have understood the joke (for example, typing "report X for feeding when he dies after going 15-0" etc.), you may very well be punished regardless of your intent.

It's also not true that the system will not punish false reports. False reports, when presented by many people (especially for similar things), will indeed count against you. The reduced weighting happens only if a person is frequently making false reports AND those false reports aren't upheld by the community. It is possible to make false reports and for the majority of people to believe those false reports are justified when they objectively shouldn't be and there is no loss in weighting for that scenario. Even the chat logs linked show what I consider a false report triggering a permanent ban. There are also other cases.

There is no human reading every log in-game and what is flagged is decided by us. If you teach it that "it's windy" is Unsporsman then it will eventually punish for it. It's mob rule. There is no objective standard for any of it. I have experience with AI and I guarantee that it does not actually understand your chat anywhere near a human level. In fact, it may be even less advanced than the neural networks I'm expecting. If reported, it seems to punish even those quoting a toxic player in a game.

Zielmann3 votes

Freedom of Speech/Expression are with respect to the government, not private businesses. You can say whatever you want at a restaurant with no fear of government censorship. But you can't say whatever you want at a restaurant and expect that the restaurant cannot choose to throw you out. As such, within League, you can say whatever you want, but you're not immune to consequences as decided appropriate by Riot games. This is why it's a very weak excuse and gets met quickly with downvotes in this section. It doesn't apply in this context.

Aside from that, the automated system was built based partially on what Riot thought was crossing the line, and partially on what the playerbase as a whole indicated was crossing the line by means of tribunal voting, back when that was active. For the record, the community was proven to be more lenient with things than Riot would be. And they used that data to tune the system.

But clogging the system with false reports doesn't soften it up to where it starts thinking certain innocuous things are suddenly punishable. It will throw out and ignore false reports. And if somebody gets enough false reports against them to even have a case reviewed by the system, it'll review it and realize the person did nothing wrong, and throw out the case.

Yes, there have been a select few cases come up in the past where the system got it wrong and somebody was falsely punished. And Riot has quickly amended those cases. But these are extremely rare. Most of the cases cited where people claim innocence are just them either not understanding what isn't allowed, or disagreeing with what isn't allowed. Neither of which is an excuse to actually do what isn't allowed.

ofart3 votes

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Freedom of Speech/Expression are with respect to the government, not private businesses. You can say whatever you want at a restaurant with no fear of government censorship. But you can't say whatever you want at a restaurant and expect that the restaurant cannot choose to throw you out. As such, within League, you can say whatever you want, but you're not immune to consequences as decided appropriate by Riot games. This is why it's a very weak excuse and gets met quickly with downvotes in this section. It doesn't apply in this context.

Aside from that, the automated system was built based partially on what Riot thought was crossing the line, and partially on what the playerbase as a whole indicated was crossing the line by means of tribunal voting, back when that was active. For the record, the community was proven to be more lenient with things than Riot would be. And they used that data to tune the system.

But clogging the system with false reports doesn't soften it up to where it starts thinking certain innocuous things are suddenly punishable. It will throw out and ignore false reports. And if somebody gets enough false reports against them to even have a case reviewed by the system, it'll review it and realize the person did nothing wrong, and throw out the case.

Yes, there have been a select few cases come up in the past where the system got it wrong and somebody was falsely punished. And Riot has quickly amended those cases. But these are extremely rare. Most of the cases cited where people claim innocence are just them either not understanding what isn't allowed, or disagreeing with what isn't allowed. Neither of which is an excuse to actually do what isn't allowed.

At no point did I say anything about Freedom of Speech as a legal construct or as it relates to private businesses. I have no idea why you're bringing it up. I'm not sure what "excuse" you're referring to because it has zero relevance to what is being argued. DId I at any point say "the government gives freedom of speech so I can say whatever I want to someone in League!"? That's obviously complete nonsense and has not at any point been argued.

You also don't understand how a neural network works and false reports with consensus regarding certain trigger words can indeed punish innocent things. It probably doesn't happen a lot but theoretically, anything can be punished by it if it's taught that way. Your whole explanation of how false reports are handles is very naive. Please realize that the system does NOT read your logs like a human and nor does it understand jokes or context. If you have certain keywords that it has flagged as toxic due to report aggregation for those words, it will typically not be able to differentiate from innocent uses of that keyword if you also got reported for it. And yes, I realize that most people who say they're not toxic after they get banned actually are. I don't doubt the system works the vast majority of the time but then again, I also refrain from jokes which I think could include keywords that it may associate with toxicity.

Zielmann2 votes

What does Freedom of Expression have to do with muting people? Is the fact that other people can see what you type restricting your ability to hold an opinion?

Freedom of expression is the right of every individual to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

SirPurrr1 votes

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You're getting downvoted for the overused "freedom of xxx" argument, which is invalid in this context.

This is true. Which is why it's a good thing that the system doesn't actually punish for for the nonsensical reports. Beyond that, when people abuse the feature, their reports eventually drop in weighting, eventually to the point where the system ignores them completely.

The biggest 'problem' I see is when people come around spouting wildly false claims about a system that they don't understand fully enough to be making such claims.

Except that this isn't the argument made at all.

Zielmann1 votes

It's the title of the post, which sets the tone for the entire post.

ModPrandine3 votes

[1] People can report you for anything, but as long as you're doing nothing wrong then the report will be flagged as false and ignored. Also, the report reason doesn't matter, as if you're breaking the rules then you'll get punished regardless (i.e. if you were reported for intentionally feeding but were actually verbally abusing and harassing others in-game then you would be punished for verbally abusing and harassing others in-game).

[2] As far as muting goes, muting is not a "get out of jail free" card, meaning that it's not an excuse to act however you want to in-game. I shouldn't have to mute you, but If I have to mute you though then the damage has already been done by you, as it's clear that you have absolutely no intentions of being neutral or positive that game.

[3] I took a brief glimpse at that person's chat logs and what I saw is that their punishment was completely justified in my eyes. Keep in mind though that Reform Cards prioritize recent games that one was reported in, and they had multiple games of acting up as well in order to get punished like they did.

[4] What's funny to you and/or your friends may not be funny to others, which is why Riot strongly recommends you be careful when making certain jokes or comments when around completely random strangers. If they've asked you to stop and you refuse to do so then the fault and blame lies with you and you alone.

[5] While perma-chat restrictions might work for some, it won't work for all, as there are trolls out there who refuse to say a single word and would rather have their actions in-game shown that they're fully bent on trolling. That's why Riot immediately bumps them up to 2-week and/or permaban status when they are caught, as they know that chat restrictions would be completely and totally ineffective against those kinds of players.

[6] Allot of people here claim that they are adults but in reality they act like little children and throw a fit when they don't get their way. Remember that it's not cursing itself that it's bad, it's when it's directed at other people that it becomes bad. If you must yell then yell at your computer monitor or something rather than in the chat. Some people also don't understand that harassing others constantly and being a jerk is unacceptable here or out in the real world. In here you'd just get chat restricted or banned from playing the game, but out in the real world you'd actually get fired from your job if you acted like a jerk.

[7] Keep in mind that almost all of the people that complain about their punishments often try to hide and/or lie about the reason that they actually got punished, whether by changing the story of what happened or just trying to shift the blame onto others in order to try to hide that they got banned for negative retaliation. If you really want to blame someone, blame those people for failing to see that they were in the wrong, hence their punishments.

[8] Freedom of speech doesn't apply here, and Riot has every right to punish you if you choose to act up. You can say what you want sure, but you can also be held accountable for what you say as well, so watch it.

TL;DR Follow the rules and don't be a jerk to other people. Doing that will prevent you from getting punished by Riot. Also people make up stuff here all the time to try to justify and/or hide their poor behavior only for the truth to be brought to the light once a Rioter or their Reform Card rears it's head. Don't force people to mute you just so you can act however you want to act, and if you're asked to stop then stop. Basically don't do or say anything that you know will only serve to tick other people off, and don't use excuses like Freedom of Speech either as you'll just instantly lose the argument.

ofart2 votes

{quoted}

[1] People can report you for anything, but as long as you're doing nothing wrong then the report will be flagged as false and ignored. Also, the report reason doesn't matter, as if you're breaking the rules then you'll get punished regardless (i.e. if you were reported for intentionally feeding but were actually verbally abusing and harassing others in-game then you would be punished for verbally abusing and harassing others in-game).

[2] As far as muting goes, muting is not a "get out of jail free" card, meaning that it's not an excuse to act however you want to in-game. I shouldn't have to mute you, but If I have to mute you though then the damage has already been done by you, as it's clear that you have absolutely no intentions of being neutral or positive that game.

[3] I took a brief glimpse at that person's chat logs and what I saw is that their punishment was completely justified in my eyes. Keep in mind though that Reform Cards prioritize recent games that one was reported in, and they had multiple games of acting up as well in order to get punished like they did.

[4] What's funny to you and/or your friends may not be funny to others, which is why Riot strongly recommends you be careful when making certain jokes or comments when around completely random strangers. If they've asked you to stop and you refuse to do so then the fault and blame lies with you and you alone.

[5] While perma-chat restrictions might work for some, it won't work for all, as there are trolls out there who refuse to say a single word and would rather have their actions in-game shown that they're fully bent on trolling. That's why Riot immediately bumps them up to 2-week and/or permaban status when they are caught, as they know that chat restrictions would be completely and totally ineffective against those kinds of players.

[6] Allot of people here claim that they are adults but in reality they act like little children and throw a fit when they don't get their way. Remember that it's not cursing itself that it's bad, it's when it's directed at other people that it becomes bad. If you must yell then yell at your computer monitor or something rather than in the chat. Some people also don't understand that harassing others constantly and being a jerk is unacceptable here or out in the real world. In here you'd just get chat restricted or banned from playing the game, but out in the real world you'd actually get fired from your job if you acted like a jerk.

[7] Keep in mind that almost all of the people that complain about their punishments often try to hide and/or lie about the reason that they actually got punished, whether by changing the story of what happened or just trying to shift the blame onto others in order to try to hide that they got banned for negative retaliation. If you really want to blame someone, blame those people for failing to see that they were in the wrong, hence their punishments.

[8] Freedom of speech doesn't apply here, and Riot has every right to punish you if you choose to act up. You can say what you want sure, but you can also be held accountable for what you say as well, so watch it.

TL;DR Follow the rules and don't be a jerk to other people. Doing that will prevent you from getting punished by Riot. Also people make up stuff here all the time to try to justify and/or hide their poor behavior only for the truth to be brought to the light once a Rioter or their Reform Card rears it's head. Don't force people to mute you just so you can act however you want to act, and if you're asked to stop then stop. Basically don't do or say anything that you know will only serve to tick other people off, and don't use excuses like Freedom of Speech either as you'll just instantly lose the argument.

Do you work for Riot? You could almost copy paste your response into support tickets. Unfortunately, it has no bearing on any of the points presented.

"muting is not a "get out of jail free" card, meaning that it's not an excuse to act however you want to in-game" I can't tell if you're trolling me or just fail at reading comprehension because there was no point where I ever claimed this to be the case.

[8] Freedom of speech doesn't apply here, and Riot has every right to punish you if you choose to act up. You can say what you want sure, but you can also be held accountable for what you say as well, so watch it."

Seriously, this again?

[7] Keep in mind that almost all of the people that complain about their punishments often try to hide and/or lie about the reason that they actually got punished, whether by changing the story of what happened or just trying to shift the blame onto others in order to try to hide that they got banned for negative retaliation. If you really want to blame someone, blame those people for failing to see that they were in the wrong, hence their punishments.

Ok I got it, everyone punished was a bad guy and everyone saying they weren't was lying or hiding evidence. Great, how does that have any bearing on anything in this post?

[1] People can report you for anything, but as long as you're doing nothing wrong then the report will be flagged as false and ignored. Also, the report reason doesn't matter, as if you're breaking the rules then you'll get punished regardless (i.e. if you were reported for intentionally feeding but were actually verbally abusing and harassing others in-game then you would be punished for verbally abusing and harassing others in-game).

It seems like the same point about "everything is perfect, only bad guys get punished etc." I got that.

[3] I took a brief glimpse at that person's chat logs and what I saw is that their punishment was completely justified in my eyes. Keep in mind though that Reform Cards prioritize recent games that one was reported in, and they had multiple games of acting up as well in order to get punished like they did.

You're one of the few to think that. He may very well be toxic but that chat was certainly not good proof of it and the jokes were directed towards one of his good friends with an almost identical name.

[4] What's funny to you and/or your friends may not be funny to others, which is why Riot strongly recommends you be careful when making certain jokes or comments when around completely random strangers. If they've asked you to stop and you refuse to do so then the fault and blame lies with you and you alone.

I doubt his friend asked him to stop but it's not like he we have chat available in context. It is only his side.

I don't get how you type so many points without even a single one bearing any relevance to what's posted. It's exasperating. I've done my part bringing what I think could become a problem to light. Everything has a cost, including self-expression and we just have to figure out how much we want to give up for whatever it is we want. Sometimes the rewards are clear-cut and the negatives are negligible. For example, there's no debate that I'd want a guy typing something like "die in a fire" or "you're a retard" to be severely punished. I've given my warning but discussing this with people who are clearly not understanding what I write is too tiring.

ModPrandine1 votes

Is it really a matter of people not understanding what you're writing or you just not getting the answers that you wanted? If you were hoping for Yesman answers then you won't find them here (at least not from anyone who isn't out to get Riot anyways). You brought up points and I did the best I could to answer them in my own way. If you disagree with me, that's fine.

Also, no one expects you to be perfect-we all have our off days and games which is why the system has built-in leniency for stuff like that. As long as you're not going out of your way to be consistently negative allot or do other stuff that's against the TOU/TOS then you won't have to worry about ever getting punished by Riot.

Awkward Couch4 votes

This, thank you for writing this out.

HexaDecimel3 votes

Freedom of Expression does not mean freedom to abuse.

ofart2 votes

{quoted}

Freedom of Expression does not mean freedom to abuse.

I guess no one wants to read these days and confirms my suspicions from the earlier posts. I admit I didn't make it easy. I rambled a lot and it's not the most concise but at least don't respond if you don't read.

The whole point is that we may be teaching the neural network to be overly sensitive and that will eventually lead to punishments for what may be innocent jokes/witty remarks/sarcasm etc.. If instead of reporting for nearly anything and even getting someone who types "gg ez" at the end banned, we were more selective and muted those were just being a bit annoying but not truly toxic, we wouldn't have to worry about jokes eventually being flagged as toxic. Thus, we'd have more freedom of expression. I am going insane here. I'm done.

ofart2 votes

Since people are mindlessly downvoting without even reading (and yes I know they haven't read it when it's -5 within less than 5 minutes of it being posted), I will change it to a title that people don't reflexively associate with suggesting toxicity is OK because there's a mute button.

Lao Fu the Tiger3 votes

Here, I'll explain my downvote.

As an adult, I'm afraid to make jokes, use sarcasm, use profanity for emphasis but with no ill intention etc., I feel like a little kid locked in a playpen when I'm in this game and it's demeaning. I think it's going to make a lot of players over 18 leave the game eventually.

As a 22 year old college student, I can safely say I will never be quitting because of a company that wants to protect their customers from people who harass others and have mouths worse than sailors.

This IS a playpen. Literally. It is an environment where you PLAY. But most importantly, it is a PEN; this is not YOUR playground. Other people play this game. Other real people. This game does not belong to you, and as a result, you do not get to say whatever you want.

Imagine you're in a restaurant. Would you say all these same things if you were in a restaurant with other people? If you were even playing a sport like soccer, would you throw vulgarities at your team screaming about how bad they are, or would you want to tell them, "Don't worry man, it's just a game, we're still a team, win or lose."?

At what point does using a bunch of profanity and slurs towards people you're supposed to be supporting and working with for a measly 30 minutes seem even remotely okay?

ofart1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lao Fu the Tiger,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gAmihFxg,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-01-25T22:40:59.056+0000)

Here, I'll explain my downvote. As an adult, I'm afraid to make jokes, use sarcasm, use profanity for emphasis but with no ill intention etc., I feel like a little kid locked in a playpen when I'm in this game and it's demeaning. I think it's going to make a lot of players over 18 leave the game eventually.

As a 22 year old college student, I can safely say I will never be quitting because of a company that wants to protect their customers from people who harass others and have mouths worse than sailors.

This IS a playpen. Literally. It is an environment where you PLAY. But most importantly, it is a PEN; this is not YOUR playground. Other people play this game. Other real people. This game does not belong to you, and as a result, you do not get to say whatever you want.

Imagine you're in a restaurant. Would you say all these same things if you were in a restaurant with other people? If you were even playing a sport like soccer, would you throw vulgarities at your team screaming about how bad they are, or would you want to tell them, "Don't worry man, it's just a game, we're still a team, win or lose."?

At what point does using a bunch of profanity and slurs towards people you're supposed to be supporting and working with for a measly 30 minutes seem even remotely okay?

I'm not condoning harassment, slurs or excessive profanity. I reposted this almost identically with a title that is less likely to provoke knee jerk downvotes. I tried to clarify a bit but I've lost patience with going any further on this. If someone really wants to understand my point, it's there but I'm not going to fish it out. I'm sure someone else can write it more concisely and clearly but I've done my part bringing it to light.

Lao Fu the Tiger1 votes

The rewording certainly helps.

And while I still agree with the whole pen idea (if for no other reason than some people get upset waaaaay too easily), the new thread certainly makes some more sense as a whole.

Angry Monster1 votes

Imagine you're in a restaurant. Would you say all these same things if you were in a restaurant with other people? If you were even playing a sport like soccer, would you throw vulgarities at your team screaming about how bad they are, or would you want to tell them, "Don't worry man, it's just a game, we're still a team, win or lose."?

I think you were on track until this example. While i would not flame in a restaurant and sure as hell would not tell my team mates that a loss is ok. You need to understand not everyone is ok with everyone gets a prize mentality and some people actually care about winning.

While winning is not everything; it is a lot of it (for me at least). Their are days i refuse to play with X friend cause i can not deal with knowing they are going to do badly at my level of play. They may be my friend, but that does not mean i have to choose them over winning every time.

So be careful with your examples; not everyone is going to think the same way as you.

Lao Fu the Tiger1 votes

It's not about whether or not they agree with the example; regardless, it's a public forum in which people communicate. And flaming is not okay.

Wanting to win is one thing; throwing a tantrum is another. Regardless of whether it's in a restaurant or in a sport or in League.

Angry Monster2 votes

You fail to understand that people like the OP are not going to agree with your example, Cause both are non choices. They probably would not flame in public but they would never be like "ok we tried better luck next time"

You fail to understand the other side so you are just using your POV. What one does with their friends is different that what they would do in public. I have the name angry monster not cause i am nice and friendly with my friends.

Some people are more extreme in their social group and that is ok. It is not up to you to say what is correct behavior between friends. Some times friends give friends shit cause that is how a group dynamic works.

This is why your example is crap. Cause you assume your way works for the world in private. Yes a team can be considered a private group.

Lao Fu the Tiger1 votes

My example is using a public area. Obviously within a group of friends behaviours can be different. However, when dealing with the public, you have to temper the way you talk to people so as not to offend them.

In other words, if you're playing with only your friends (excluding custom) all chatting slander is not okay, and in the case you're solo queueing, slander is not okay.

Obviously private sectors function differently. :P

Bettnachleger1 votes

As long as you don't play with 4 premades, it's a game with some unknown person's who maybe don't like how you talk to each other. It's a public game, until you play with a 5 man premade.

Btw. if you do so, Riot is ignoring the team chat if you get a report. if you play with a premade team, you can say what ever want ;D (in the team chat)

PIMPSMOOTH2 votes

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Kei1431 votes

there are consequences when you report every game (sometimes without merit), your report weight reduces as your false report count increases.

So you are lesser to be treated seriously.

please reference boy who cries wolf for further details

Krigjer1 votes

I really do think people are too easily offended these days. I mean, there are people on these boards that think you offering advice in the nicest way you possibly can is still toxic. 'because you're telling people what to do, and that implies you think they're wrong!'

I'm not saying that no one should report anyone ever, but there IS a difference between being toxic and simply disagreeing. Someone saying something you don't like is not grounds for a report.

(Had a game where the enemy Akali roamed bot and got us even though we were warded. I admitted that we shouldn't have been so pushed, but I also asked our Zed to either push the wave or follow her, instead of just last hitting. His response: 'You're a bully. Stop harassing me' Like. Come on.)

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