Is my behaviour toxic?

Zero Skill Tank·Feb 5, 2016·1 votes·350 views

If I'm a support and make good engage on lvl2-3 and my adc fails to capitalize on it I will often ask jungler to not gank us and instead try to snowball other lanes following logic: if he is unable to cease opportunity presented to him, we are better using our resources elsewhere, I can just focus on keeping the dude alive. I will avoid saying directly that adc is bad but they will still often get mad for it, because lets face it who doesn't like being snowballed.

Is this toxic?

10 Comments

SmokedAlmondsFeb 5, 20161 votes

I wouldn't call that toxic but I will say from a practical sense it's going to have a pretty high chance to set off your ADC. So in that sense, it may just not be worth it.

I'm guessing you are posting this because that happened. Would you say that happens a lot?

Zero Skill TankFeb 5, 20161 votes

Not really, I always try to assume that if my ADC got matched with me he is just as good player as I am even if he has bad game, I only do this if I see my ADC so focused on farming that they are just not willing to fight even with clear advantage, what doesn't happen to often. I just noticed that this kind of players has high chance of not committing to a gank enough.

Darius BøtFeb 5, 20161 votes

I'd agree and say it's not necessarily toxic in and of itself. As my two cents I'd recommend in the lobby or when the game loads in to coordinate with your adc in some way. Let them know what level you plan on engaging at earliest. Or agree that whenever you ping target the enemy to go ham/go hard in the paint.

Zero Skill TankFeb 5, 20161 votes

Yeah I try to do that but if I engage so early it is not because I decided to do so in champs select it's because enemies malpositioned.

AxestsFeb 5, 20161 votes

while not necessarily toxic it can be taken as so, and if you are provoked your toxic actions are still your fault

alasarcherFeb 5, 20161 votes

No. Thats smart decision. If u see ADC is bad, not only u should tell jungler that, but u SHOULD ALWAYS leave his ass and roam.

Itadaki SeiekiFeb 5, 20163 votes

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No. Thats smart decision. If u see ADC is bad, not only u should tell jungler that, but u SHOULD ALWAYS leave his ass and roam.

No, no.

You risk the enemy ADC getting fed. If they capitalize on you not being there you basically give the ADC free gold to get to late game faster.

You SHOULD roam, but not at the expense of fucking over your ADC unless you KNOW they can handle themselves under tower.

alasarcherFeb 5, 20161 votes

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No, no.

You risk the enemy ADC getting fed. If they capitalize on you not being there you basically give the ADC free gold to get to late game faster.

You SHOULD roam, but not at the expense of fucking over your ADC unless you KNOW they can handle themselves under tower.

Talking from personal experience. Just leave him.

ModJikkerFeb 5, 20161 votes

Missing one follow-up does not equal bad. It's soloqueue and the high communication isn't there so he may have just not thought it was worth going all in or may not be in a position to capitalize. For example, if I land a hook as Thresh, I can go in or not and without a ping my ADC has no idea whether I'm hooking for harass or hooking to follow up. They aren't mind readers. I say it only comes to this point if they fail to follow up 2-3 times unless you are pinging. Otherwise, you need to do everything in your power to stop the enemy from farming and use your own harass to force them back. 9/10 ADCs will eventually with a touch of communication come around and start following up. Once they are doing better, I only roam if I'm on a good ganking support like Leona, Morgana, Thresh, Blitz, or someone with good ranged CC.

Source: I'm a support main that has played with ADCs ranging from Bronze 3 to Diamond 3

ModJikkerFeb 5, 20161 votes

It's not reportable toxic, but it sends a negative message throughout the team. Basically you are saying "my ADC sucks, don't gank this piece of trash" in a roundabout way...or at least that's the way it's gonna sound to him. I get your logic, but honestly just missing one follow-up doesn't mean that he's bad. He may just have not noticed or understood immediately or heck even been in a position to follow-up. My Diamond 3 ADC main friend has missed a few of my opportunities several times just because even though we play together a lot, he's not perfect. ADCs aren't mind readers so communicate that you're going in. I'd leave the decision to gank to the jungler at that point providing warding information as needed. He's reading the map and bot may just be the best place to gank. If ADC doesn't follow, it's still a 2v2 and maybe a missed gank is what the ADC needs to wake him up.

I'd 100% not say anything about not ganking in chat unless it's something like "they are warded up well and playing safe plus have ton of disengage -- camping mid is a better idea, we'll hold them off"