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What is the real point of the perma ban?

HORAIZUN·10/4/2019, 2:39:57 PM·3 votes·5,780 views

Hello everyone,

We as players come online after a real life world day, some of us get out of work, others school, others face real life struggles as unemployment, others deal with relationships/friendships hardships, stress from work/school and even sometimes both or all of the above.

On the 30th September I joined a game where 3 players held me hostage, didn't FF and kept trolling me, I literally proceed to spam "report X and Y for troll and int" and as soon as the game ends, I receive the ban hammer with perma ban, my account had 14 days ban for 2 times, as a matter fact, this account was banned actually based on the same situation, I get pissed off at people trolling games because if you don't want to play just don't do it however this is not the topic I wanna discuss. I want to ask RIOT and players what is the point of a permantly ban on accounts? Is that really necessary? Is that really cool against players that spent hours and money on your game?

I wouldn't bother having my account banned for 1 year and after 1 year I come back to it. When I say 1 year it could even be 2 or 3 depending on the situation and the permanet ban being one that literally crosses the line, which wasn't for example my case in any of my bans, I tilt and I accuse them for troll and int and reports, on the other hand people who spread hate, death wish, cancer wish should be for sure banned for longer periods. However we can not forget riot games is permantly humiliated by popular streamers such as Yassuo, Tyler1, Nightblu3, Trick2g and others, who openly spread bad words outloud, which stands for a crime known as defamation and guess what? Riot still gives them accounts with all the content, not that they can't buy it, but not only they defamate riot 24/7 in stream outloud in front of 10k+ viewers, as they are offered champions, skins and invitations to play in their tournaments! However a player like me, who gives nothing but a few pounds a month or even less, I don't have a chance to have skins/champions or any other content and also not being forgiven.

Also let's not forget, Doublelift is a toxic player and riot still influences his attitude as the trashtalker while I was banned with a chat log that clearly is nothing compared to what Doublelift trashtalks yet he is promoted by riot while we are community are banned for spreading the same words. Now Riot could use the argument that they are aware of Doublelift's behaviour and it is just sarcasm but we can also say that, can't I be sarcastic in league chat? Yes I can.

Riot is a rigged company and threaths players as slaves who give them money and bans them as soon as they can so they get new accounts to spend more money because in the end, we are all addicted to gaming and league is a game whom very people are addicted to so they can abuse that strategy as tobacco companies or alcohol companies do, it's bad for your health/mental but they do it no matter what.

In the end, I know this will not change a thing because as a matter fact, riot games never cared about their clients (players) because I have asked many times for a cellphone number of the main offices and emails so I can directly contact the managment and those things were always denied, riot employees that interact with us are just paid slaves to ban us without looking twice at logs or caring about the effort and money spent on accounts.

Yours sincerely, HORAIZUN.

60 Comments

GatekeeperTDS10/4/2019, 2:46:19 PM17 votes

We as players come online after a real life world day, some of us get out of work, others school, others face real life struggles as unemployment, others deal with relationships/friendships hardships, stress from work/school and even sometimes both or all of the above.

Nobody in League, Life, or anywhere is required to put up with anyone else's frustration, anger, or shit.

What is the real point of the perma ban?

To remove players who disrupt things for the rest of us who don't.

Riot is a rigged company and threaths players as slaves who give them money and bans them as soon as they can

You keep going with those conspiracy theories, dude. Banned players are in an extremely small minority.

rujitra10/4/2019, 3:08:14 PM9 votes

Only thing I have to say that hasn’t been said is that you aren’t helping the problem, you’re part of it.

You spamming ff and harassing others loses games just as much as trolls do. You spend more time trying to vindicate yourself than you do playing the game, and your innocent teammates suffer for it. The second it looks like you’re doing badly, it’s always “who can I blame” and you spend the rest of the game blaming instead of helping and playing.

You are the exact reason the permanent ban exists, because you refuse to stop fucking over your teammates with this attitude.

Arcade Lulu10/4/2019, 2:59:28 PM7 votes

GatekeeperTDS basically said everything i'd say But i'm gonna add this

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ban us without looking twice at logs or caring about the effort and money spent on accounts.

Why should the money or the time spent on the account matter? You break the rules and get punished for it, if you value your time and money, don't break the rules. Same rules apply to everyone, you can't just pay riot to be able to break the rules Most of the bans are also handed out by an automated system. If you think your ban was placed incorrectly, you can always contact riot support. Even though on your 14 day ban reform card it CLEARLY said that the next offense would lead to a permanent ban When you keep breaking the rules time after time, you show riot that you simply can't reform and follow the rules. So in the end they ban you, because they are tired of your bs Maybe you should calm down for a while and think why you got banned, because your conspiracy theories are kinda crazy

Yuiwara10/4/2019, 2:56:38 PM6 votes

"report X and Y for troll and int"

I would report every player who says this or something similar. Because trying to motivate others to report someone is unfair behaviour.

And to ur question: its perfectly fine to perma-ban players if they behaved wrong, for example verbal abuse, flaming or unfair behaviour like the example above. if u cant deal with loosing games or with other players who might be difficult to play with and u react in a way mentioned above i would not have any problems to never see that player again even if he spent hours and money. it wouldnt matter since it was his own fault then.

Cind3rkick10/4/2019, 3:13:17 PM4 votes

Um what.

You admit you were toxic. You admit you had previous 14 day bans. Yet you dont get why you were permbanned?

It doesnt matter how much money you spend on the game, if you break the rules you are punished.

However we can not forget riot games is permantly humiliated by popular streamers such as Yassuo, Tyler1, Nightblu3, Trick2g and others, who openly spread bad words outloud, which stands for a crime known as defamation and guess what? Riot still gives them accounts with all the content, not that they can't buy it, but not only they defamate riot 24/7 in stream outloud in front of 10k+ viewers, as they are offered champions, skins and invitations to play in their tournaments!

Tyler1 was permbanned for a long time. And was only "unbanned" when he proved he was reformed. Nowhere in the rules did it say that people couldnt "permanently humiliate" riot out loud. But, if it goes too far, riot will act. Hashinshin got punished a while ago for being too verbally toxic. Not to mention there is a big difference between calling someone bad outloud (which everyone has done) and spamming "Report x and y for int" in game chat.

Also let's not forget, Doublelift is a toxic player and riot still influences his attitude as the trashtalker while I was banned with a chat log that clearly is nothing compared to what Doublelift trashtalks yet he is promoted by riot while we are community are banned for spreading the same words.

Doublelift doesnt specifically target people, nor does he routinely be toxic. And again, you actively created a negative environment for your team while doublelift only trashtalks outside the game.

VindicatorOFThey10/4/2019, 3:13:43 PM4 votes

Riot is a rigged company and threaths players as slaves who give them money and bans them as soon as they can .

Prove it ? [katarina-love]

Lauchmelder10/4/2019, 4:06:43 PM4 votes

{quoted} Also let's not forget, Doublelift is a toxic player and riot still influences his attitude as the trashtalker while I was banned with a chat log that clearly is nothing compared to what Doublelift trashtalks yet he is promoted by riot while we are community are banned for spreading the same words.

This needs to stop. There's a massive difference between pro players (who most likely know each other because they played quite a few games against each other) trashtalking each other and 2 randoms doing it. The pros know that it's in good fun, at the very least not meant 100% serious though.

If you tried to trashtalk me ingame I would do 2 things:

  • make a note that you're annoying
  • mute you because you're annoying

Trashtalking only works if you know your enemy. You don't know your enemy in pretty much 100% of the games (unless you're high enough elo to meet people a couple of times) so all you're doing is being an annoying edgelord. Trashtalking someone you never met before makes you trash talking.

ModPrandine10/4/2019, 10:20:43 PM3 votes

The point of a permaban is to remove those who consistently prove that they don't want to interact with other real people in a mature and civilized manner. Just like in real life most places aren't gonna give you infinite chances and are more than willing to throw you out if you continue disrupting others despite the warnings. You yourself admitted to having received two 14-day bans, where it tells you that further negative behavior will result in a permaban. This shows that you improved your behavior enough to de-escalate but then regressed into punishable behavior consistently enough to get permabanned. That's on you not Riot, so you really have no room to complain or be surprised that you got permabanned.

It's not about money, as if it was then players who've spent hundreds wouldn't be punished. As for trolls not getting punished, that's false. Tyler1 was infamous for trolling and inting on multiple accounts so much that he got ID banned. Yes he as a player got unbanned, but only after a year of showing improved behavior, and his banned accounts are still banned today. We may not get many threads on the forums from banned trolls (usually because they already know what they did wrong & have no need to complain about it) but they do exist if you look for them.

It's also not a matter of the community being soft or "insert insult here", as in fact it's the ones being soft and weak minded that we don't want playing the game, as they're the ones who feel the need to ruin other peoples games and then cry foul when they're actually held accountable for their behavior.

In short you are being much too selfish and immature. You know what you did was wrong and just don't want to take responsibility for it and would rather point fingers at and insult everyone but yourself. You're trying to prove that Riot doesn't care about its players but in fact are doing the exact opposite by behaving exactly like the kind of person they don't want playing their game.

From Understanding the Tribunal:

4) That player in my game was far worse than me. Why am I banned??? a) I'll keep this one simple: retaliation isn't OK. Reacting to a toxic player by being toxic just incites that player to be even worse--it also ruins the game for up to 8 other players. It is far, far worse to watch two people yelling at each other all game than it is to watch 1 player ranting into blank space. Almost everyone in the game can find someone out there that behaves worse than they do--but so what? Finding someone worse doesn't justify your behavior or justify retaliation. We expect more out of our players. What players often don't realize is... those other players in your game that you thought were worse? Nearly 100% of the time, those players were banned even before you were. If someone is being toxic, just report them and move on. If you retaliate, both of you will be banned. It's really that simple.

HORAIZUN10/4/2019, 3:15:30 PM3 votes

So replying to all of you above:

CS:GO has a system that bans trolls and afks and works perfectly fine.

RIOT has a system where only bad words are punished and tons of people hate the system, only the guys with a good life like you, I can clearly see that you see this as an hobbie that u can go 0/20 and don't care, I don't want to be in a game where someone goes 0/20, laughs and then I am the bad guy because I flamed the idiot who came into my game to not even try.

Yet no one argues about doublelift trashtalks everyone in public or the crime that streamers commite and they are fine, right guys, you really are the reason why riot is so good with this system, you literally are defending a system that benefits trolls and not try harders, if you log into a COMPETITIVE game as League of Legends and if you don't try at all why even play it? Go play assassins creed or something, go play offline, the online gaming is competitive and you have to deal with stress and bad words, would be fun to see football players banned every bad word they say, would be fun to see every CS:GO player be banned for every chat or scream in offensive terms because it happens all the time, it's a game and people get emotional about it, its perfectly normal to be in a competitive game and when your team doesn't try you get frustrated and spread bad words, whats wrong about that?

And quoting this: "Nobody in League, Life, or anywhere is required to put up with anyone else's frustration, anger, or shit."

Are you freakin kidding me right? You gotta have a really good life to think this way, I am a college student in my 2nd year, working as part-time and so I have a super busy life, as soon as I log into league I want to kinda forget I have shit tons of bills to pay, works to get finished with deadlines, my boss is a douch and I can't say anything because I need the money to pay rent, school and so on, so after all that, not having that good parents that give everything to their beloved son (this clearly shows some people have never worked or went through bad stuff on life by luck and not even envy but at least understand the ones who go through bad stuff).

Again: My previous chat logs are exactly the same as Yassuo's, Doublelifts and so on, yet I barely see them chat restricted or banned in-games, guess what, I don't give riot enough money right? Best luck to you guys, clearly 0 know how bout life and hardships to think going 0/20 in a game is fine and not be punished.

Jhins Girlfriend10/4/2019, 7:50:41 PM2 votes

RIOT has a system where only bad words are punished and tons of people hate the system, only the guys with a good life like you, I can clearly see that you see this as an hobbie that u can go 0/20 and don't care, I don't want to be in a game where someone goes 0/20, laughs and then I am the bad guy because I flamed the idiot who came into my game to not even try.

Funny joke, I have a long list of problems that i'm not gonna bother throwing a pity party over, but the point is I don't have some kinda perfect life. I just don't take it out on other people ingame because I'm an adult who knows how to control herself. I don't believe I've ever gone 0/20.

A permaban is supposed to be harsh. Because it's supposed to deter you from bad behavior. If it didn't exist people would probably misbehave more, because there isn't the consequence of losing your account forever.

Tele II10/4/2019, 9:36:19 PM1 votes

To remove you from the community/take away everything you've gained by playing. Ive never had an account banned, so maybe I just cant comprehend your slave analogy. I think of it more as a paying for their service relationship. Consumer/provider. You know, the way it is in reality, not your fantasy.

General Esdeath 10/4/2019, 8:07:03 PM1 votes

Lost me after the first line. A perma is Riot's way of saying "get the fuck out REEEEEEEEE"

Sinister Anubis10/4/2019, 10:59:34 PM1 votes

Lol my post was removed cause they said i promoted account buying. I simply stated thats the problem with perma bans. Its to easy to create or buy accounts. Until riot fixes this they cannot stop toxic people from playing there games. So what i gather what OP is trying to say is that there really isn't a point to perma bans other then being a minor annoyance. I'm in no way saying this is what you really should do because it is indeed breaking the rules if you do buy accounts.

KFCeytron10/4/2019, 11:20:45 PM1 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/rant

klin53711/10/2019, 8:18:42 PM1 votes

idk why this has gotten so many downvotes. It's disgusting how the groupthink mentality works on these forums. "He's complainig about a permban" instadownvote. Almost as if rioters are spearheading these purges of anti-riot opinions.

But more on the point, yeah I really do think there should be more warnings or temp punishments before the perm ban. I think that after the 2 week should be a 4 week, then a 16 week, then 64, and so on. So if you really are repetitively toxic you will be effectively permbanned, but the drastically incrementing times will serve as one steeper warning after another to get the point across that toxicity isn't tolerated. I think it would work.

Boogieman9711/20/2019, 12:15:49 PM1 votes

I got banned yesterday because I can’t keep my cool after I’m hard stuck silver thanks to trolls and kids ,btw the situation is this i was winning top lane 1/0 good farm ecc while the others fed all bot mid jungle all even top got kills then the kid at the end of the game in post game lobby points out I’m 1/6 after I died to fed people and that was spam from him he wrote it 15/20 times then I got pissed and insulted him and I got banned I’ve been playing since S3 and in S9 I got all the band from all the season I’ve played in in this one I got perms banned thanks to kids I’ve had spent 100-150 euros on that ACC and had countless icons from different events through the years and now all is lost because Ranked queue has become a CIRCUS I’ve wrote to player sup and currently waiting for s risponse but they will come up with some excuse that u shouldn’t do that u should report players the solid things they always say I’m sure of it .