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CurrySpice·2/18/2019, 12:38:53 AM·3 votes·3,302 views

Hi guys, I just have a question for y'all regarding player behavior, specifically commenting on a teammate's play style.

If, in the case a teammate is clearly inting (evident through both the actions of the player and chat logs) or just generally trolling, is a player allowed to 1) point that out to a teammate and tell him to ignore it, 2) point that out in all chat so the bming from the other team will stop, and 3) tell the other players to stop trolling if they are tilted by the troll?

Just to put in what we already have, one of the recent responses on one of the WHY WAS ME BANNED CRI UNBAN PLS OR I TELL MOMMY posts I saw said this:

Riot has made it abundantly clear that asking for reports can be considered player harassment and that constantly doing it can derail the course of the game that you're supposed to be focusing on.

Now though Hotaru ain't too great of a person (from personal experience XD), he's summed up well part of what I got from a nice and respectful Riot employee as well (THATS WHY U AINT AN EMPLOYEE HOTARU), when responding to one of my permabans; That commenting on a troll or inter's playstyle can, to an extent, be punishable. I can give the c logs if you want, but keep in mind that this isn't, at all, about any of my permabans, just to get information so that I can prevent future bans.

Mumbino said:

We do not want players to comment on other performances, arguing, and blame others because it only worse'ens the experience and game for others.

I responded with some cri shit bout how going from 2 week to permaban because of comparing a troll draven to t1 is unreasonable.

He/she/they continue(s) 2019 folks:

We're not saying its wrong to point out when another player is breaking the rules of the game (by trolling/griefing/inting) because obviously they should be reported so we can investigate further. But we don't want players to continually be commenting on how they are playing bad or trolling is not ok because it turns the entire matches focus away from the game itself and more about that one player, causing the situation to only get worse.

I think this is a reasonable answer, that such comments can direct the focus away from the objective of winning the game and instead to the troll/inter. Then again, I personally don't think this should be punishable (then again again, I may be biased cuz I did this) rather I think there should be a system in place so that deaths, chat logs, and in game behavior per each game should determine the weight of a player's surrender vote, so that everyone could just get done with the troll and never see them again. Otherwise (like what happened with me) the troll would always vote no, prolonging the game, and prolonging the commenting on the troll, giving more fodder for punishment.

What do y'all think?

:)

EDIT: Just found this from Kei143 on a post of a player that got punished for extremely mild toxicity:

Let's have you understand the behavioral system a bit more. Think of it like a health bar (or tension meter) in music games. When you hit the note at an off beat, your tension meter increases. When you completely miss a note, the meter increases by alot. When you hit the note at good timings, it reduces the meter.

Riot's behavior system works the same way, as in we all have a toxicity meter attached to our accounts. When players are mildly toxic, it goes up a tad. When people use hate speech, it pretty much fills up the meter. of course, clean games reduce the meter.

It is possible for playerA to get punished and playerB not to, even though playerB was waaayyyyy more toxic . Let's say playerA started the game with the toxicity meter at 95% and playerB's at 35%. Ingame, playerB said some pretty nasty shit and playerA responds with some shit as well. After the game, playerA gains 10% toxicity and playerB gains 50%. Now playerA is at 105% toxicity and gets punished, whereas playerB is at 85%, and not punished in that specific game, even though playerB was found to be 5x more toxic than playerA in that game.

Also, mass reports don't do anything extra compared to 1 report. Take it from the guy who wrote the system.

I think this is a pretty nice way to put it, but from what I saw in my case (again probable bias) my meter went up from like probably 95% (because of the preceding suspension) to 100% because I pointed out a troll (who possibly reported me for"verbal abuse"). What this means that even though by a small margin, comments regarding trolls may still be punishable.

4 Comments

TheUrbanKitsune2/18/2019, 12:48:25 AM1 votes

"is a player allowed to 1) point that out to a teammate and tell him to ignore it"

Maybe don't explicitly say something like "X teammate is inting, just try your best to win.". Though you have good intent Riot seems to not like that type of language. Maybe something like, "We may be at a disadvantage but just play it out." or "It's ok we can still win this." It sends the same message and doesn't have the potential to further tilt the 'inting' teammate in the case they aren't actually INTENTIONALLY feeding and are just having a bad game or are of lower skill level.

"2) point that out in all chat so the bming from the other team will stop"

If enemy team is BM'ing just mute and report them. Don't risk being reported yourself. No need to tell the enemy team to report either, if it's an obvious int people will report them anyway, and reports don't stack according to Riot.

  1. "tell the other players to stop trolling if they are tilted by the troll?"

Again back to the first point. Just leave it vague, positive, and encouraging-- not accusing.

I'm no expert on these thing but seems like the best way to not get into trouble is to stay positive or stay quiet. People are going to troll and int games, best you can do is report after the game and not risk getting yourself in trouble trying to fight someone who obviously doesn't care about what happens to the game or their account.

Kei1432/18/2019, 3:35:13 AM1 votes

Oh... I'm being quoted. Nice to see someone their searches before their raise questions.

Regarding saying others are trolling or griefing, there is always a risk you are running when accusing people of trolling while they are actually tilted off the face of earth. The innocent people certainly don't want to be painted as a troll when they keep making bad plays.

If they are really trolling, then they want a reaction from you. If they aren't trolling, your accusation can serve as harassment. So knowing those, why even point out the actions of others?