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I need some help with giving constructive critisizm (Wall of Text, sorry!)

Hensetsu·7/25/2017, 2:18:42 PM·1 votes·580 views

Hi guys, Hensetsu again!

I need your help with something.

What techniques/tactics do you guys implement to give constructive critisizm in game. It feels like some players are perfectly open to it whilst others will bite my head off for even a suggestion.

Here's how I try to give constructive critisizm in game:

Me: "Hey man I play a ton of X champion too! I've been trying X item which is really nice with the new buffs" "I think that it's a decent item if you'd like to try it"

Teammate: "Stfu, you're dumb, you don't know anything"

I usually try to give a suggestion along with my reasoning behind it. I don't try to attack people or make them feel small, I just want to offer my thoughts on what I think might help them have a better game.

For instance, there are also many games where my team needs to group so I'll say

Me: "Guys I think we should group, we seem to be struggling with splitpushing and we can combo our ultimates together!"

My team may then continue to splitpush and die, and I'll keep trying to communicate in the best way I can but I often feel like I just hit a brick wall.

I guess what I'm really asking is a two part question:

Is my method for giving critisizm unreasonable or faulty in some way? If so, how?

Do I value my opinion too much? If so, should I just play my game and leave my teammates to do whatever they want?

8 Comments

Zielmann7/25/2017, 2:54:41 PM1 votes

Note that these two point are probably overly-critical, and your current approach is fine, really...

For the item bit, some people might feel the mention that you play that champion and offering a suggestion based on that is meant to imply that you're better at that champion or role than they are. For these people, a better approach might simply be something like "I see a lot of people building x on that champion." But honestly, you never know how a person is going to react to advice before you offer it, so it would be impossible to know if this would be better or worse before you say anything.

For the grouping and whatnot, positive direction is generally better than negative. "Don't to x because y" focuses on a negative of what you've been doing. Your example isn't quite that extreme, but it's still focusing on the negative that split pushing hasn't been working out. I prefer to go with something more like "We should group up (and ideally offer an objective to group around). I think team fights are our best chance to win."

On that, though, if there's one person that just keeps refusing to group, but they're somebody you really need for teamfights, try to get your team to follow them around. Basically if they won't follow you guys, then you just follow their lead. I've managed to turn around quite a few games by doing this.

Eunson7/25/2017, 3:14:45 PM1 votes

Don't type just play. You can't teach someone what they're doing wrong in 20minutes and play at the same time. Focus on yourself, it's all you can improve.

RookPusher7/25/2017, 3:16:06 PM1 votes

Getting people to stop splitting is impossible. Everyone thinks this is a god damn FPS. Just follow the one with the most success. It's the only option. You can't reason with stupid.

TheDonar7/25/2017, 5:34:57 PM1 votes

I think it is normally best to keep the way you build a champ to yourself unless asked for. Some people like to sequence their buys a little different. I don't think that warrants the "coaches tips" unless asked for.

The only exception I'd really make is if someone is like building a item 3089 while playing Vayne since that is obviously pointless (even then though, they might be trolling and probably best ignored).

That one isn't so bad. As long as you are positive and make it 'we' and not 'you' or 'I' with it. People seem to respond better when you make it sound like a team problem and not a specific player problem. Offering a specific objective to take helps too.

TonyTonyMordecai7/25/2017, 5:59:53 PM1 votes

Try to suggest item purchases when it would put your team at an advantage I.e. http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2556315747/203343763 . This game. At the start I suggested to Nasus and Sejuani (I was Rakan) to try to build an early bramble vest, and then asked Caitlyn to grab executioners calling as soon as she could. All three were open to the suggestion because of how helpful the grievous wounds would be against Mundo, as well as the rest of their team.

Try to word it as a suggestion and not as "you need to because X pro player did it" (not that you did, but people take so many things out of context)

Going off the other point, if someone is splitting all the time, try to stay near them to earn some kills. OR, gain an advantage elsewhere if the enemy team is distracted by the splitpusher.

GreatWhiteNorth7/25/2017, 8:11:02 PM1 votes

Simple:

Me: Akali relies on lifesteal to make plays, get mortal reminder to shut her down.

Jhin: Thanks for information

Most of the time they just flame tho. Honestly many players can't handle suggestions.

Telephone Booth7/25/2017, 10:05:36 PM1 votes

You generally dont. But if you feel the need, just open with, or say shortly after; "sorry I'm not trying to tell you how to play, I'm just saying"