Does LoL makes players toxic or the toxic players choose LoL?

72897118DEL1·6/16/2016, 4:33:00 AM·9 votes·2,768 views

Here's the question, as simple as that.

20 Comments

Mister Punches6/17/2016, 6:55:00 AM3 votes

I've honestly noticed that this game brings out the worst in people, much like every other competitive game.

I've seen my friend go from the sweetest pacifist in real life who would not hurt a fly, to her screaming out profanities at her screen that would make a sailor proud, and it's not necessarily because she made a mistake, or is complaining about a champion.

proud and bronze6/16/2016, 2:19:34 PM2 votes

this is a game where every mistake by your teammates makes your enemies stronger. effectively making you weaker.

a game where you can not leave without punishment. this means if you are having a bad experience, then too bad. you are stuck in that bad experience for the duration. many times 40+ minutes.

the game is the most toxic ever created and the toxicity spreads to the players.

Oleandervine6/16/2016, 2:28:37 PM1 votes

Because of Internet anonymity, people think it's ok to hostile to other human beings, and then for some reason are absolutely baffled when they get punished for it.

EndlessSorcerer6/16/2016, 2:33:12 PM1 votes

MOBAs in generally can get pretty toxic; something about having to rely on four random players in a 20-45 minute game where you can't leave tends to bring the worst out in some people.

League of Legends being a free-to-play game on top of that just exacerbates the problem.

The game is far less toxic than it was in the past though. I'm quite happy with the advances Riot has made to their punishment system.

SeekerofSilence6/16/2016, 3:08:41 PM1 votes

Third option: The competitive setting (win/lose based on your and your random teammates' performance) is what triggers the competitive side in the players.

Some can control their anger/frustration, others can't. The latter are those we know as "toxic".

BlueThingamajig6/16/2016, 3:41:40 PM1 votes

I think League has more of a perception problem than an actual toxicity problem. "League is so toxic" "The players are so bad" kind of thing.

Many actions, which in other settings would be considered a simple mistake or otherwise understandable, suddenly becomes trolling and toxic in the lens of League of Legends. You can see this in people claiming they were banned for "calling out trolls/feeders" when they don't recognize that they are also part of the problem.

Consider the following hypothetical but hopefully representative scenario. Player One makes a mistake in the magnitude equivalent to committing an error that leads to an unearned run in baseball. Embarrassing? Yes. Worthy of being flamed out? No. Even Bill Buckner received forgiveness after the fact. Player Two, instead of recognizing the mistake as an error, perceives the act as trolling and proceeds to flame Player One. "Man, Player One is such a troll, I hate how toxic League is" Player One, who already screwed up, is now also a little frustrated by the actions of Player Two, and perceives Player Two as a troll. "Man, Player Two is so toxic, my expectations of League is accurate"

Now we have two people who think the other is a troll. In reality, its completely possible (and probable) that neither are trolls. However, League's bad reputation has caused 5 people to lose a game and probably

tl;dr I don't believe League makes people toxic; rather, a player's perception of League makes people toxic.

RedTao6/16/2016, 4:30:37 PM1 votes

Players are toxic because the system currently caters to people and how they feel rather than the guidelines/statements made by Riot don't have any weight anymore. You have Rioters who are literally telling people that it's no longer about what's on the summoners code, just how many people are reporting you. They say that what's determining who get's punished is the "community standards" which is set up by the people reporting you.

While it's nice to get rid of troll/toxic players, it's also something that those players use to target anyone who upsets them. You give me advice? Reported for talking down to me. Someone's not talking? Reported for not communicating. You disagree with me when I tell you you suck? Reported because it's not your job to defend yourself, it creates a negative experience when you disagree with my opinion.

These are all things that people have and will continue to get punished for. Before we just had to put up with these horrid players in game. Now they're running the system because they, by nature of toxic players, love to ruin peoples games. They will report everyone because they're the ones who determines who's creating the negative experience for them and Riot bases their punishments and decisions off those players who're setting that "standard"

You can make the arguement that players who file false reports don't have any weight, but after Seeing Wobbly Jibbler, Spine Splitter and Princess Bubblegum (Just a few of the Rioters on my list) all saying that the biggest factor in punishing people is the number of reports submitted. The validity of the reports was a side note for them because the autopunish system is the one that gives immediate punishments for key words being said.

GaleWinUnleashed6/16/2016, 4:33:21 PM1 votes

It's self-feeding. Players end up toxic because they're joining a community that already has a reputation for toxicity (whether or not it's actually true). The real fault lies with whoever originally decided that being anonymous on the Internet was an excuse to be a huge jerk to everyone else.

Lithium Rosa6/16/2016, 4:37:40 PM1 votes

In fact both. It's young people who play video games, and you know, young people. And then people just behave more aggressively on the internet than irl, not only in games. Then of course a team oriented competitive game can easily tilt people. It's an interesting topic, I would even write an essay on this if I was a social science major.

SmokedAlmonds6/16/2016, 4:50:14 PM1 votes

I don't think people are significantly more toxic in league than other games. it is just that the nature of the game magnifies them. Particularly the lack of ability to leave a game. In most games you can drop in and out freely. If there is something you don't like about a game or a server you just leave and find a new one in seconds.

What probably does create some extra toxicity though is the same thing that makes the game so satisfying to play and that is snowballing. You get a couple kills and become stronger and that is enjoyable, but the person on the other end of that is having the opposite experience.

I think it is important to really objectively look at how much toxicity you run into. Because I see a lot of people call "the community" toxic which I really don't think is true. It is a small subset of the community. Those situations just stick in our minds. So over time we remember the 100 toxic games we had but forget that there was however many normal games weaved in there because there was nothing significant about them. Think about even the toxic situations that are stuck in your mind, because in my experience most of those situations are still only 1-3 people in a game being toxic and that isn't happening every game. The other thing is that it doesn't take a very large percentage of people being toxic to have toxic people be everywhere. Since there are 10 people in each game, if even 5% of people are toxic that is a toxic person in every other game you play.

MAJINCRAFT X6/16/2016, 6:57:07 PM1 votes

In this day and age where streaming and esports is getting so much coverage/popularity the entitlement generation believes they are superstars, when they don't get their way they rage. Millennials...need I say more? Too many participation trophies in life makes players predestined to be toxic.

Bard in a Diaper6/16/2016, 8:14:26 PM1 votes

The game makes people toxic. As the game gets more team reliant I am seeing myself step out of line more and more. Never used to have problems in season 1-4. In season 5 and 6 I have grown very annoyed.

71883083DEL16/18/2016, 4:03:20 AM1 votes

I mean, it's pretty much both (I think it is mainly the person). When League allows these users to run rampant, it just lets them keep going.

PermaBan20166/22/2016, 2:07:59 AM1 votes

it's riot. i find it funny how DOTA 2 doesn't have these bullshit guidlines and restrictions yet has INFINITELY less toxic players than this garbage.

littlekittypet3/2/2017, 9:04:27 AM1 votes

oh Im very toxic and the funny thing is saying you will get 1 player every 4 or so games thats toxic is being kind in my view... hell I just got banned for 14 days for being toxic and yet and im not kidding here (yknow how you report someone and they get punished and your notified?) I went at a guy for going utterly banana's(this was in aram ikr?) on a urgot that had never played him before and I mean he was really going at it~ but yknow who got the 25 game chat restrict? not him~ how about the guy that wanted to meet up with me in real life and I quote this "I wouldn't bat an eyelash at murdering you" did he get punished? nope nada~ or today the draven that went 0/14 or something like that cant recall the exact deaths OPENLY ADMITTING to ours and the enemy team that he was intentionally feeding did he get punished? nope the funny thing is.... 1 threw season 4 I never ONCE got punished and the toxicity was by and large small now its rampant but you wont see people getting punished for that sort of behavior, if there is any game that gets my blood boiling league of legends the report system does not really work and ( if it did we'd all see that sort of thing like"I wouldn't bat an eyelash at murdering you" would be an auto-matic permanent ban) but hey we didn't really have such ram pit crap back with the player tribunal system. without a dought an awesome game but the report system and the number of people that are asshats that DONT get punished is sending this game down the drain... silly thing is.....I played league waay back when rather then dota cuz of how toxic dota was now its the reverse..... and dont get me started on those statistics (only 5% of people are toxic enough to get this or that) then why is it that EVERY punishment says that? if most only need 1 punishment? if your going to very plainly lie and lable all the punishments with that 5% at least chance up the percentails please?~ funny thing is..... iv played around 50 games of dota this week had 2 toxic people and they were mild con-paired to league x3..... so most likely done with this game~ I miss the days were playing league wasn't so..... aggravating and wasn't such a chore ~ and thats what league has become for so very many players.... a chore. there is NO other game that I HATE and love to play so much, no other game that gets me so hot and botherd.... the funny thing is... with the player tribunal we didnt have this problem... the game was not nearly as toxic, so yes.... when I can be told someone wants to meet up in real life and murder me and there is NO punishment... league without a dought in the last 3 seasons has turned someone that is EXTREMLY happy, silly,goofy and freindly in rl to being toxic in league and I repeat this there is not a single other game that im toxic in....what so ever in 12 years of gameing no other game has had me muzzled or banned or ect.... theres a reason league of legends is called the most toxic game on the internet....peace out

Loko6/16/2016, 5:49:59 AM1 votes

A frustrating game can bring anger out in anyone.

I think it's possible that people may become more or less tolerant to others over time though. But overall I think Players are already toxic.

matakaca3/2/2017, 11:29:54 AM1 votes

Perhaps a Viable one, Played the Game without tutorials, like retards and always lose without getting whats what. Over 200 and still lose, Rage builds in and people become toxic. Mains hard champs like Hell and Wrecks shit, got mastery 7 and spams and pings for every mistakes thinking he/she is a godly player. Basically a Revenge.

(I played 700-900 games over 4 years, all i had was me being an asshole not the literal embodiment of Riven/Yasuo/Any other similar to them Mains)

P.S: There is a difference between Toxic players and Asshole Players by my perspective. No Offense.

Savage Devi6/16/2016, 6:05:00 AM1 votes

...both?