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"Toxicity" from a toxic players perspective.

Gozniz·11/23/2017, 10:01:02 AM·5 votes·3,414 views

So I saw a post from the user AngusBoomPants on a different thread about how "even if you mute chat, they would still type with no messages available". I was going to just reply in that thread but I ended up typing a lot more and talking about something I think is a much bigger and more important issue. My reply was mostly the first paragraph but then it extends in to me talking about the boards and my impression of the users/staff members views of toxicity, and etc. So yeah, here is my wall of text:

This would be probably the best case scenario possible that could happen to a toxic player. They could still play the game and wouldn't be able to be toxic in chat. I fail to see how this is or has ever been looked at as a bad option for player punishment. Permanently banning people for something wrong they did in the chat will always be an "extreme measure" despite Riot's general lax attitude about handing it out in comparison to how other games treat it. I am toxic(despite trying to not be and ending up being banned regardless), and I am telling you right now if I were simply chat restricted I would never have a chance to be toxic again. What no one on this board realizes(because they are too busy circlejerking and laughing at other people's toxicity) is that very few actual toxic players enjoy being toxic. I am not flaming people because I get some sick enjoyment out of making them experience my anger or whatever most of these Riot staff believe.

You want to know the real reason people are toxic? It's very complex, listen closely; T h e y | d o n ' t | l i k e | t o | l o s e.

It's really just that simple. If I am adc and flaming my support want to know why? Because whether justified or not it is the only way a lot of people feel even if it's just a little, less frustrated/angry. They aren't sitting there saying "I can't wait to make this person feel bad about themselves" they just get more passionate or frustrated/angry with the game than the average person and so they lash out because it's the closest medium they have to blow off steam as quickly as possible. No it never "fixes it", but it just makes some people feel a little better.

Don't get me wrong this is not an argument for being toxic. It's quite the opposite. I just think many of you after only spending a couple days reading posts either fall in to one of two categories;

1. You respect/admire Riot and their rules so much that no player ever complaining about an issue with the rules can ever be correct under any circumstance and no matter what your chat logs say or who the player is if you were banned for being toxic it was completely justified regardless. 2. You hate Riot so much that everyone who is #1 is an absolute ignorant moron and you think over 80% of the toxicity bans are probably for bullshit reasons. Riot is a terrible company that is probably losing players and will eventually die because their rules are beyond laughable and you were probably banned for absolutely nothing no matter what the logs say or anyone tells you. It's also ridiculous for anyone to even suggest you were toxic and frankly no one knows a god damn thing about actual toxicity.

There are even some people that seem to think anyone who is toxic deserves to be extradited out of their country and tried for real harassment as the villainous people they truly are(only half exaggerating). Seriously though. Most toxic people are probably not bad people, even me. I am speaking completely normal right now, despite my anger over my recent ban, I am for the most part keeping a level head in this entire post. People seem to have some outlandish idea in their imagination that toxic players are just this group of the worlds most disgusting humans possible, and they are just ready to pounce at all times, living in a world that only consists of rage through their eyes.

Reality is that most of these people are just normal people with a bit of a short temper. Most of this thread has been pretty objective but subjectively speaking, and from personal experience, it almost feels like Riot are out to treat every player like a repeat offender from the very first offense. I got one warning ban before I was quickly perma'd in no more than 5 games after it had expired. As well not only was it incredibly quick, but it was for(however you see it, I think you can agree) a pretty minor outburst(ref. my previous thread). Point is, I really wasn't even given much of a chance to "reform" I was basically sentenced the same as if I had been toxic over the course of hundreds of games, despite playing barely over 50 and probably not even talking in half of them.

I'm just saying you people really need to understand who these "rule-breakers" are, because they are probably much more normal than you'd assume, and i'd even be willing to bet more than half of them wish they could be less toxic in game.

27 Comments

verysalt11/23/2017, 10:04:11 AM6 votes

From my perspective playing 1st time champ in Ranked and heavily feeding then calling a "bad game" is equal to toxicity.

I respect RIOT for trying to remove toxicity but it's clearly they don't approach the reason why some normally non-toxic players getting upset for. They can improve the situation simply by allowing minimum Mastery 1 champ for ranked, so at least player knows how this champion works and there will not be such discrepancy when lvl 0 champ meets lvl 7 opponent.

velraptured11/23/2017, 11:01:12 AM5 votes

I have a ******* support who wanted to go teleport/cleanse and said 'I havent played in a long time sorry i dont know the right spells to pick' even though they have played 5 games in the last 3 hours. They proceed to pick dorans ring as their starter item. My mid proceeds to int 3 kills in the first 8 minutes, with my top lane right behind him at 2. Meanwhile I have pressured their jungler out of the game. THESE ARE ALL LANE SPECIFIC THINGS. But because I would be "upset" by this, if I said ANYTHING about it, I'm the toxic one. I'm the bad guy. I'm the bad guy for wanting to open and let them just end, because I'm here to practice in a REAL match of league of legends, not Bash my head against a freaking rock for 50 minutes!!!! YAY I LOVE THIS GAME.

ModUlanopo11/23/2017, 1:10:30 PM5 votes

You want to know the real reason people are toxic? It's very complex, listen closely; T h e y | d o n ' t | l i k e | t o | l o s e.

Nobody I know likes to lose. Toxic people just can't handle it, though. That's the difference.

Metropolox50s1/24/2018, 5:41:46 AM3 votes

Totally agree there is a difference between a toxic player and just a player frustrated at losing a game because of a team member(s) (trolls, feeders, int, etc). I mean who wouldn't get mad if a teemo top player is feeding the enemy top laner?

Rezlac11/23/2017, 12:32:22 PM1 votes

OP. Your previous post makes 0 sense to me. Somehow it seems you don't understand the main tactic against trolls is to ignore them.

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

iamthegoatofwar11/23/2017, 10:34:32 AM1 votes

I read the entire thing and while you make valid points let me just state in most cases in game I am not a very nice person vs toxic players. If you're doing worse than I am with MY temper you're more than likely truly just genuinely toxic. You said you were sentenced the same, but I don't see any logs to prove that your perma after the 2 weeks wasn't warranted...

Zëd Lęppelin11/23/2017, 4:21:45 PM1 votes

lol. Toxic people are pathetic and that's all there is to it. It's really not hard to just not press enter.

Magical Player11/23/2017, 4:28:51 PM1 votes

" Riot are out to treat every player like a repeat offender from the very first offense." Where as I can't say yes or no to that let me stretch it out a little bit Follow with me here Riots maximum punishment is id banning for the most extreme of cases, for the "normal" player being banned is the most extreme thing now lets say riot put on its totem pole of rules Now lets say go to the example a good guy has been good for 20+ years, and in one instance he snaps and kills another person. When the jury heres of his past good deeds do they outweigh the one instance he broke the rules? Generally no, you could say the norm is 1 bad deed is generally enough to get you punished

So back to riot Riot has this ingenious system to constantly warn players that their behavior is not wanted in game and is able to give a light reminder(chat restriction) or in severe cases a more punishing reminder(14 day- perma ban) Riot has set the rules of the game again "Don't be a dick" and is you break it lightly they give you a light punishment break it, like absolutely ignore it the hammer you with the harsh punishment

Now why this applies to why it seems like "riot treating everyone like a repeat offender" its not because they are, its because people are not lightly breaking the golden rule "don't be a dick" they're generally going far above what can be considered "normal"

As such they get punished with the only two options

"You want to know the real reason people are toxic? It's very complex, listen closely; T h e y | d o n ' t | l i k e | t o | l o s e."

I don't like to lose, yet I lose alot more than I should. Yet i'm not being punished?

The reason people are toxic isn't as simple as they don't like to lose and if it is then they should move on, since the norm is to win/lose 50% of your games In the entire history of league the avg has been 50%(i'm a smartass(5 lose 5 win))

Just some ramblings, hope they helped you in someway

Escheton11/24/2017, 3:19:48 AM1 votes

It's not wise to get upset over losses in game where you lose half the time. Not losing half the time? You will be facing better opponents till you are.