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My Last Game of League

LunarisKleipsis·5/5/2018, 5:16:20 AM·8 votes·3,736 views

Hello,

I want to provide some statistics and a chat log from my last game of League of Legends (last played and last going forward). I request a no flame discussion about what is acceptable and what an acceptable punishment is.

My objective is to present my chat logs, and get the communities feedback if a 14-day suspension is an acceptable punishment for what I said. I also want to know if even a 10 or 25 game chat restriction is warranted for this chat. I want to highlight the fact no racism, homophobic, hate speech, or even profanity was used on my part. No one was told to commit acts of violence against themselves or others.

I have played a total of 75 games of League of Legends. 2.6666% of my games were found to not be positive (total of 2). I was basically told it doesn't matter I was an honorable player, receiving key fragments and stats about how 44%ish of my honors were GG. All it takes is one argument to strip you of your honor and put your account at risk for permanent suspension.

Context did not matter when deciding my punishment. Only what I said. When reading do not try and think of what was actually happening in the game because it does not matter. For example when I said "LunarisKleipsis: dont gank top. id hate to have to do more harm" below do not assume I was int'ing down a lane or even trolling in any way, it was not a factor in determining my punishment. Look at the words used only. See you at the bottom.

Game 1: 5/3/18 LunarisKleipsis: you shouldnt of been toxic trynd' LunarisKleipsis: he banned my champ i had selected. LunarisKleipsis: dont gank top. id hate to have to do more harm LunarisKleipsis: too busy ganking toxic trynd kha is LunarisKleipsis: thats cool. as long as trynnd gets one for doing what he did ill take it. LunarisKleipsis: oph explain? LunarisKleipsis: exactly. i havent done anything wrong LunarisKleipsis: no i havnet LunarisKleipsis: what trynd did was greifing LunarisKleipsis: which is reportable LunarisKleipsis: intentionally causing harm to the team LunarisKleipsis: banninng another persons champ they selected is greifing LunarisKleipsis: you are just upset you didnt get a game you liked LunarisKleipsis: and i did tell you exactly what i was going to dop LunarisKleipsis: in champ select LunarisKleipsis: and you have given tryndamere a pass on his behavior LunarisKleipsis: you said hes allowed to piss anyone off LunarisKleipsis: he can do anything he wants and its okay LunarisKleipsis: its not a bad thing LunarisKleipsis: thats not what you said LunarisKleipsis: nope LunarisKleipsis: because you have flawed logic LunarisKleipsis: by giving trynd a free pass, by letting him get away with his behavior you enabled him. and you brought my actions on yourself LunarisKleipsis: by not condeming his behavior i was forced to react LunarisKleipsis: yhes i was LunarisKleipsis: i had my game ruined LunarisKleipsis: and you didnt even notice LunarisKleipsis: what he did LunarisKleipsis: until it was told to you LunarisKleipsis: no i picked sionn and tried to win LunarisKleipsis: you are mad what i did didnt work LunarisKleipsis: your lack of principals disgusts me LunarisKleipsis: you let trynd call me names, flame me for simply saying what he did to me LunarisKleipsis: you didnt bat an eye whenn he called me names LunarisKleipsis: you didnt care LunarisKleipsis: only when the game stopped being in your favor did you get angry at me LunarisKleipsis: because clearly winning is all you care about LunarisKleipsis: he can do annythingn he likes LunarisKleipsis: lol said the one trying to reason his lack of morals and principals LunarisKleipsis: im not afk LunarisKleipsis: you are ruining the game afking LunarisKleipsis: im out pushing lanes while you cry LunarisKleipsis: i nbever did. scroll up kid LunarisKleipsis: you are delusional LunarisKleipsis: said the guy making false accusations LunarisKleipsis: saying i did things or said things i never did LunarisKleipsis: someone is taking a community college course LunarisKleipsis: and it shows Zzz LunarisKleipsis: and yet you let trynd act how he has been LunarisKleipsis: and dont stand up and say stop? LunarisKleipsis: i never flamed anyone LunarisKleipsis: yet you attack me? LunarisKleipsis: you dont even acknowledge hes done anything wrong LunarisKleipsis: yet i have ruined your game and deserve to be reported? LunarisKleipsis: im selfish for wanting to play a game just like everyone else LunarisKleipsis: yes it is LunarisKleipsis: yet you have evidence i dont flame, and i try hard LunarisKleipsis: as in our last game LunarisKleipsis: yet you flame me LunarisKleipsis: and say trynd is just fine LunarisKleipsis: to do what he did LunarisKleipsis: NOT by my own teammate LunarisKleipsis: who gets a message that a teammate has that champ selected LunarisKleipsis: i did LunarisKleipsis: you're just mad LunarisKleipsis: that it didnt go as well as last game LunarisKleipsis: you're honestly pathetic LunarisKleipsis: i have never met a more disgusitng human who hides behind psuedo intellect LunarisKleipsis: im out here playing and tryingf LunarisKleipsis: you're afk raging LunarisKleipsis: whgat you are doing LunarisKleipsis: is wrong LunarisKleipsis: and you sit on a moral highground and conndemn me? LunarisKleipsis: pathetic LunarisKleipsis: yes it is LunarisKleipsis: you accuse me of ruining everyonnes game LunarisKleipsis: yet you afk and dont try LunarisKleipsis: no LunarisKleipsis: stoip typing LunarisKleipsis: and play Game 2: 4/26/18 LunarisKleipsis: too bad bot lane didnt come do it when i wanted LunarisKleipsis: you done not warding? nice vision score on you and nami LunarisKleipsis: and the fact we have no vision has zero effect LunarisKleipsis: great logic kid LunarisKleipsis: annd he never warded AND i ganked for him early and he didnt even budge LunarisKleipsis: ^ LunarisKleipsis: nami stop typing LunarisKleipsis: and try wardingfn LunarisKleipsis: something LunarisKleipsis: good job warding nami. LunarisKleipsis: you cant leave because you have failed to ward all game LunarisKleipsis: and it cost us more than anything jinx can make up LunarisKleipsis: fiddle roamde blind bot how many times? LunarisKleipsis: my last 4 deaths were on OUR side of the map LunarisKleipsis: to having no support warding and im maxed for dropped wards LunarisKleipsis: i walk out and die to riven LunarisKleipsis: and nami still cant go ward LunarisKleipsis: sweeper and sightstone and you BARELY have more vision score than i LunarisKleipsis: yet you dont take any fault

Intense stuff up there.

I believe context matters and will add more details but first my initial objective needs to be completed first.

Recapping my objective and adding a Hmm question. Please look at the my chat and only my chat. Make no assumptions about the games or the context in which things were said. Read the words and ask yourself what was really said and how bad was it. How far are we willing to take this community down into places where in a competitive game all it takes is the above to lose your account?

Is a 14-day suspension the appropriate punishment? If so why?

Should this even qualify for a chat restriction? If so 10 or 25 and why?

Let's discuss politely and respectfully.

EDIT 1: Riots response has been any negativity at all is deserving of punishment. Doesn't matter what kind of negativity it is, how much it is. Negativity in any form is unwelcome in League of Legends. It is not okay to have a single game where you resort to any form of negativity.

Rioter Deme Lovato's response to this statement is "this is essentially the current stance." He continued on "all we want players to do is to adopt a positive/neutral stance in their games... we don't have to be this positive ray of sunlight 24/7 in all of our games." To which I replied "Just not negative at all, 24/7 yes? Only positive/neutral as determined by code and Rioters behind the scenes unknown to the players?" Rioter Deme Lovato, what say you? "essentially, yes"

I'm still talking with the amazing Deme Lovato so more to come. Thank you for the positive support of most everyone =], keep it positive!

EDIT 2: Finished my hour and half chat with Deme Lovato who gave consent for me to use his name and quotes before EDIT 1 btw, that is important to me. I could start a whole new thread with all the good information shared between us. But two things in particular should be here and highlighted.

Allies banning your declared champion. Deme Lovato said "if we contribute negativity to a game, then we're responsible for it." I asked "By letting allies ban your declared intended champion and supporting the behavior. How are you NOT contributing negativity to the overall experience of league of legends?" at first he expertly dodged my question but I want to share some of the good hearted comedy we shared. He replied "i might've misread that, mb" to which i quipped "Mistakes happen, unlike riot I wont punish you for it :^)" Deme Lovato: "mmm b l e s s e d, thanks based lunaris".

Back on track. "By letting allies ban your declared intended champion and supporting the behavior. How are you NOT contributing negativity to the overall experience of league of legends?" Deme Lovato responded with "genearlly, if i come into an unfavorable champ select situation, i'd actually recommend dodging in that scenario -- especially if its the first dodge of the day." To which I replied "Dodging is a negative behavior. You just gave me the green light to fight negativity with negativity which contradicts everything you've said about why my punishment is warranted." Deme Lovato?... "hahaha, essentially, you may have gotme here"

When talking about my punishment it was made clear that negativity of any kind is not acceptable and should be punished. I was then told to go ahead and dodge which is a negative action that while can be done for not negative reasons, is still a negative action at the end of the day.

The problem is clear. We have hidden backroom policies and expectations that are not clearly displayed. We have here a flow chart where all actions lead to punishment. The system is designed to fail. We need to turn a flashlight on it and acknowledge the flaws just like Rioter Deme Lovato did so we can work to make the community a better place, not an online secret police state. I urged and invited Deme Lovato to come here and even say hello, was nice chatting with me. But unfortunately that will not happen and I was not able to determine if it was a personal or policy driven action. Regardless thank you Deme Lovato, bless you.

19 Comments

Scary Door5/5/2018, 5:49:23 AM3 votes

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Game 1: 5/3/18 LunarisKleipsis: you shouldnt of been toxic trynd LunarisKleipsis: he banned my champ i had selected. LunarisKleipsis: dont gank top. id hate to have to do more harm LunarisKleipsis: too busy ganking toxic trynd kha is LunarisKleipsis: thats cool. as long as trynnd gets one for doing what he did ill take it.

Classic passive-aggressive chatter here.

LunarisKleipsis: banninng another persons champ they selected is greifing

While not related to your punishment, this is a false statement. Banning a teammate's champion is perfectly allowed in the system.

LunarisKleipsis: you are just upset you didnt get a game you liked LunarisKleipsis: and i did tell you exactly what i was going to dop LunarisKleipsis: in champ select LunarisKleipsis: and you have given tryndamere a pass on his behavior LunarisKleipsis: you said hes allowed to piss anyone off LunarisKleipsis: he can do anything he wants and its okay LunarisKleipsis: its not a bad thing LunarisKleipsis: thats not what you said LunarisKleipsis: nope LunarisKleipsis: because you have flawed logic

Question: With all of this typing, how did you have time to play? That's certainly the first thought that ran through my mind when looking at the overwhelming volume of text you wrote.

LunarisKleipsis: you are ruining the game afking LunarisKleipsis: im out pushing lanes while you cry LunarisKleipsis: i nbever did. scroll up kid LunarisKleipsis: you are delusional

Negative attitude and insulting your teammates.

LunarisKleipsis: stoip typing LunarisKleipsis: and play

Oh, the irony.

Game 2: 4/26/18 LunarisKleipsis: too bad bot lane didnt come do it when i wanted LunarisKleipsis: you done not warding? nice vision score on you and nami

Passive-aggressive, sarcastic chastisement of your teammates. Not good.

LunarisKleipsis: and the fact we have no vision has zero effect LunarisKleipsis: great logic kid

Continuing to be negative, I insta-report when I see someone say "[random statement], kid". Irony because you're probably barely old enough to drive and/or vote.

LunarisKleipsis: nami stop typing

More irony from you.

LunarisKleipsis: good job warding nami.

Passive-aggressive douchebaggery at it's finest here.

I believe context matters and...

It doesn't, but if I took context into consideration you're just as much in the wrong. In your case the knife cuts both ways, because you spent most of your game excoriating your teammates, however you didn't use any of the 'magic words' and therefore you feel like you can escape maximum punishment as a result.

Truthfully, players like you are far worse than the guy that just randomly pops off with a few hateful comments. Your toxicity is much more willful and constructed. You have a tone that encapsulates egregious behavior perfectly.

Is a 14-day suspension the appropriate punishment? If so why?

Based upon this chat log, I have to believe that you have been punished previously, this type of behavior is definitely not an anomaly in your case. You have demonstrated a behavior pattern that is a steady stream of toxicity. Some people get "tilted" and fly off the handle for a few lines of text and then calm down, while your toxicity graph would look more like a steady line in about the mid-range of the toxicity scale----consistently moderate toxicity.

Should this even qualify for a chat restriction? If so 10 or 25 and why?

I'm pretty sure you already received a chat restriction at some point in the past, if not then there's either a chat log you aren't showing us or Riot felt that your toxicity was strong enough to deserve a harsher penalty, either way, looks pretty solid to me.

Xellex4205/5/2018, 9:02:15 AM2 votes

As a player of this game for 5 years now...I would say this chat log is NORMAL to the game and NOT toxic at all...OP is literally reacting to in game situations and not even using profanity or saying anything hateful. To me personally I find a big downfall to this game is the fact that someone can troll you, ban your champ, literally run around the map feeding kills to the enemy team, and make the game miserable for all team mates, and that is NOT bannable...yet you say one thing in chat above a pg-13 level and BAM you are not the toxic person and get banned from the game. The punishment system is VERY flawed and is the reason leagues numbers are going downhill every month.

Chat logs should not even be a thing you can be banned for...there is literally a mute button if you do not like what someone is saying. Ban the people that make the game miserable for the players, not the guy who got heated in a match and said a few dumb things. Is the game aimed at 10 year old kids?!?!

Summonah123695/5/2018, 4:08:17 PM1 votes

I know how it feels, my account got the 2 week suspension yet Riot for some reason and without explaining ANYTHING turned it into a perma suspension. I've been trying to contact them and I get no response. I often got most honors and key fragments on that goddamn account. Please help.

NoJustice5/5/2018, 7:02:38 PM1 votes

One thing to remember at all times when typing in league. You are not reasoning with Riot or a person. You are being judged by a shitty AI the determines if what you said falls under a long list of BS that is listed as punishable. It’s trash and what you said wasn’t even bad.

MirrorU5/5/2018, 10:54:45 PM1 votes

This is a prime example of what I've already discussed with rito at length, they maintain that you have to be toxic to get suspended or banned which is bullshit. If you get reported by multiple people in a game you will almost always get suspended and banned. I had 1 advisor and 1 software engineer tell me that wasn't the case but it is the case, and your logs are a prime example of how you just get banned for being multi reported and NOT being toxic. So thank you sir, ty for proving my point yet again.

MazerRackhem5/5/2018, 11:22:33 PM1 votes

I also quit League due to the new Honor/Punishment system. I have been playing since season 1. I have NEVER before received so much as a warning and have earned honor banners etc. in previous seasons. This season I was honored in (as the OP says of himself) I would guess around 40% of my games with about half of those being honor from multiple teammates. To my knowledge I was never reported for any kind of negativity in any game this season until last week.

Last week our bot lane was losing bad and flaming me (Jungle) for all their problems. I was having a rough day and responded with very mild sarcasm and told them I wasn't going to argue with them anymore because they were being "Toxic AF". After that game, and based 100% on that game ALONE (RIOTer confirmed this), I had my entire season's honor wiped out, received a 10 game chat restriction, and was told that my future honor would accrue "much slower."

I quit rather than put up with a system that punishes positive players for getting frustrated one single time and responding with mild salt to trolls while doing nothing to the trolls. I hope RIOT abandons the new punishment system, if they do I'll come back, but otherwise it's really not all worth worth it. The new system makes the game more toxic, not less.

Zezilian5/6/2018, 8:04:34 AM1 votes

RITO running out of money. RITO needs you to create new account and buy skins your like and boosts to get quicker lvl 30. RITO smart. RITO knows that each player have 2 or 3 accounts which generates more income than having only 1.

LunarisKleipsis5/11/2018, 10:14:49 PM1 votes

Thank you for all the support. It has been mostly good watching and reading the comments this week.

I am disappointed that there was someone unable to keep the discussion positive but their words are like their match history, empty. Reading their other inflammatory replies to other posts, especially those about player behavior, makes you wonder. What is the reason they have no match history and troll player behavior forums.. Hmmm? Maybe someone didn't practice what they preach. summoner 14

Riot has no interest in justice, only dollars. After a week of talking with a handful of different Rioters I concur with the posts about bans for new accounts to generate revenue. With that being said I want to remind everyone of a few key points.

From the Code of Conduct in the ToS: v. Transmitting or communicating any content which, in the sole and exclusive discretion of Riot Games, is deemed offensive, including language that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, sexually explicit, or racially, ethically, or otherwise objectionable;

Riot games is judge, jury, and executioner. The community in community guidelines is the community of Riot games, not the community of its non-employee players. Anything Riot deems offensive which in 2018 is anything, is worthy of and again should be punished as severely possible for the possibility of financial gain.

"Being negative in a single game can lead to a penalty on your account whether that game counts for 100% or .001% of your total games played." -Riot Employee VoidWish

Being negative a single time is grounds for and encouraged by Riot to be punished

This same Rioter said "... yes it is deemed as an offensive action to ban another players champion in champ select." However he only acknowledged my champ select experience of having my champion banned away as a my "hypothetical situation." What this means is Riot deems banning another players champion as an offensive action ergo it is worthy of a ban simply for being an offensive action.

Riot wants to go after chat like an unnamed northern European country went after a group of people. How can they go this insane against what is typed yet are unable to implement a system that prevents people from making clearly and blatantly offensive names? I once saw a player named Gay Boy Lover, in fact I got paired with that person and his duo 2-3 games in a row. Why was this name not stopped from becoming a summoner name? Blizzard wouldn't let this be a name, I tried to make a character in WoW for this test. It can be done so why does Riot not stop offensive names from 'slipping' through? Because that account is a potential source of profit and its subsequent punishment could result in a new account, possible again with an offensive name, resulting in more revenue!

My chat was initially given a 14 day suspension turned 10 game chat restriction once I filed a complaint. I played both of those games and was never afk. I typed while clearing waves as we had no towers from very early on in the game. I try to win every game regardless of what I or anyone else says because I believe what we do defines us more than what we say. Which is backwards from the norm. You can do almost anything you want, as long as you don't say anything.

I have not played league of legends since, and I fully intend on never playing again. I have unsubscribed from league exclusive playing twitch streamers. I do not, and will not support the culturally damaging policies and practices Riot games is imposing on us. I asked Riot for an apology, I wanted justice before having them delete my account. Justice was not served, profit mongering was.