Bans issues concerrently in error. Wrongly double punishing summinors into permaban. HELP!

ryanxyz·Feb 29, 2020·1 votes·4,572 views

Without going through reform process, the automated feed system is capable of a one time glitchy window where a player will be flagged for a suspension but in a game where they will also be automatically flagged for INTENTIONALLY FEEDING by a bot (even though they might not be doing that, building correctly and playing poorly but earnestly trying and too far behind to win a game) The issue with this Bug is that firstly you get a double suspension instantaneously (outside the control of flow for normal player behavior rectification). Secondly you're unable to see or contest the content of the automated systems ban, I.E. You play poorly and are flagged for inting, You're unable to see that that happens and have no logs of such.

The easy way to prove this happens is checking the punishment history of a player, you will find that the automated system will activate BEFORE the 14 day suspension runs its course, also bugging the client side UI because there is not second tab or record of the behavior that got you perma-banned. The Riot Employee I'm interactiing with said it themselves.

Mumbino: "Just to let you know, when receiving a 2-week suspension; it is our way of giving the player a final warning. If you receive another intentional feeding suspension the account will be auto-escalated to a perma ban. But if you want to avoid that, you can heal from your penalty by playing to your best ability with a neutral-positive mind set."

This is a bug, based off what was said because: There was no warning or window to reform, the levels escalated instantaneously. That's also not mentioning the fact that it's impossible to properly contest a ban the feeder bot found with no evidence of such.

22 Comments

rujitraFeb 29, 20206 votes

The systems are separate. This can happen, but it requires the player to be playing a game, get reported, then start a new game before they can be given a 14 day ban card. Then after their current game, they are validly reported and then escalated to a permanent ban.

In that case, support will reduce the punishment. It is also completely possible to contest any ban to support. You need not know the evidence - either the evidence shows you were intentionally feeding and thus the ban is correct, or the evidence does not show that and support will remove the punishment.

ryanxyzFeb 29, 20202 votes

Yet I did this, and reported the bug to tech and neither of them has taken action on my account, that just leaves room for human error. I don't blame them either, I asked the player behavior agent to check the timing of the logs as this will prove the bug occurred undoubtedly (they happen in such a short window of one another) Like you said though that doesn't change the fact that both the ban status, and the nature of the reason why the ban was issued was totally wrong.

rujitraFeb 29, 20203 votes

Then your punishment wasn’t this bug. It is possible to skip a 14 day ban if the behavior is so severe as to merit additional escalation.

If the support staff have determined your ban is correct, then it’s correct and you will receive no sympathy here.

ryanxyzFeb 29, 20202 votes

That's the issue though, it wasn't correct. I didn't INT, I played badly. How do they decide who's inting or not, the game the feed system caught me I died a lot yes, but I built and positioned properly, it was just a game where the enemy team snowballed. I NEVER INTED.

Also, if all this is intended, What is up with the bug that caused me to spend an aditional $20 on a permabanned account. That NEEDs to be addressed.

rujitraFeb 29, 20203 votes

Playing badly does not get you punished. Intentional feeding does. Riot has much more access to data that can confirm or deny the actions you took in game than the boards do. You will find no sympathy here for your attempts to evade the system and claim “playing badly” when you also claim you built and positioned properly.

When you lie, contradicting yourself makes you much less believable. You’ve done so multiple times in this thread so far.

ryanxyzFeb 29, 20202 votes

Where did I lie?

rujitraFeb 29, 20204 votes

Well, for one, you’re either hiding the account this was actually on, or you intentionally fed and Riot had data to confirm that.

You claim the enemy team snowballed, but they didn’t - your most recent game on this account you ran repeatedly deep into the enemy team feeding them deaths. If they snowballed, you wouldn’t have been doing what you were doing.

You’re trying to pull a fast one here on the boards and nobody is going to fall for your bullshit about a “bug”. You can’t even stick to one story - at first it’s a bug, then it’s a tech issue, then it’s you got banned twice in a row with no time in between, then now it’s “but I didn’t int”. Which story is it?

ryanxyzFeb 29, 20202 votes

Link the game then? Did i run into turrets? what killed me?

rujitraFeb 29, 20204 votes

You know damn well. Stop trying to lie to us. It is clear from looking at your match history that you conveniently make some “mistakes” only when your teammates start doing bad in lanes, and typically around 15 and 20 minutes in game, when they don’t surrender.

ryanxyzFeb 29, 20201 votes

You're a troll that actually ints and is tryign to ruin my good name, are you talking about my 5/13/3 trynd game where i was trying to split? That's not inting or even close to inting, how is a 5/13 game considered inting? the soraka thatreported me was 0/11/5

SnóopyFeb 29, 20202 votes

Big yikes here. You kind of just called yourself out for lying when you snapped. Any person who wasn't lying would try and just talk with the person who made a fair point against them. You saying they're a troll trying to ruin your "good name" is pretty much confirmation you did what was accused against you.

ryanxyzFeb 29, 20202 votes

I played to the best of my ability

rujitraFeb 29, 20203 votes

You did not. You clearly intentionally threw multiple games trying to ruin it for others and evade the systems to detect you.

Your ban didn’t come soon enough.

ryanxyzFeb 29, 20202 votes

Link the games

rujitraFeb 29, 20202 votes

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Link the games

Anyone who cares can perform their own investigation and determine whether to believe you or not. This is not a place you come to attempt to make people "prove to you" that your punishment was valid. You know what you did, and it is obviously clear to myself (and I presume anyone else who takes the time) that this is a pattern with you.

I don't care if you were drunk, or whatever other excuse you have - griefing is not acceptable, and especially not so when you attempt to evade the system as it's clear you were doing. The fact that you have tried 5 different excuses (bug in the punishment itself, bug with your client, "I wasn't griefing", "I was drunk", and "the other player did worse") just today has now made it very clear that you are lying and you know what you did wrong.

I will not respond further since you've made it clear this is a troll/bait post.

phammer16Feb 29, 20204 votes

What a coincidence. I didn't have this problem, but my account was permabanned and I actually talked to Mumbino. He's very personable if you have a conversation with him, but none of the Riot support members are helpful. They all say exactly what you quoted. It's all scripted. I have yet to find a way to appeal my permaban.

ryanxyzFeb 29, 20202 votes

Can you like this up then so people can become aware of this defect in the code base, This is honestly ridiculous of riot they should have the resources to find this kinda thing, even the UI is broken.

Imperial PandaaFeb 29, 20203 votes

Based on information you seemed to have provided, here is my best guess on what actually happened.

You have no idea if your roommates play on your account or not. Whether that is due to them knowing your password, or just staying logged in doesn't matter.
You have had a previous 14 day ban for intentional feeding. This is based off a response you apparently got via support ticket.
Your reform card that you have shared is for verbal comms.
While on the 14 day ban for verbal comms, you were given another punishment for intentional feeding or trolling.
This caused the reform card's system to bug and not be sure which punishment card to show. Resulting in a perm ban with the 14 day card to remain.

Again, this is just a rough guess based on information you have shared.

Silent GravityFeb 29, 20202 votes

Was this punishment issued 4 months ago?

ryanxyzFeb 29, 20202 votes

Just about

ryanxyzFeb 29, 20201 votes

why?

Silent GravityFeb 29, 20204 votes

If it was more recent, or a different account, I would have spent the effort in investigating what could have tripped the system, to give you a better shot at appealing the decision.