Leauge of Legends Percentage based ban per player.

outlawgunner·10/27/2016, 5:30:39 AM·1 votes·1,806 views

They say the percent rate of people that do get banned or permanently banned is 0.06% i don't know if that's based of the entire population of players, or based of the region you are playing from. This number is most indefinitely wrong, a lot of players get banned for little silly things that do not deserve a ban or permanent for that matter. Let's remember this is an "ONLINE" competitive game, of course their will be "TOXIC" players and "TOXIC" behaviors by players. The term itself is irrelevant to banning of players, if you google the definition it means 1, a poisonous substance, 2 denoting or relating to debt that has a high risk of default. The bans on most people are unreasonable speaking relatively, The AI system bans on key phrases or key words in correlation of the term "TOXIC" what does this mean? In my opinion it first of all means, it's looking for evidence in correlation to a proper ban, which searches for a large and vast variety of words in it's database that it has collected over the months, years it has been running. In a sense you could say all vocabulary words can be "toxic" if interpreted wrong, or grouped with other words that form a toxic sentence. This can easily, be misread, miscalculated, misjudged. It is a bad system, that needs revising. Delete enter, and play the game and you probably won't get banned if you can't talk, assuming that is.

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Awkward Couch10/27/2016, 6:12:54 AM6 votes

They say the percent rate of people that do get banned or permanently banned is 0.06% i don't know if that's based of the entire population of players, or based of the region you are playing from. This number is most indefinitely wrong, a lot of players get banned for little silly things that do not deserve a ban or permanent for that matter.

And this is based on.... what exactly? It's really contradictory when you say you don't know how they pull the numbers, but it's wrong.

Let's remember this is an "ONLINE" competitive game, of course their will be "TOXIC" players and "TOXIC" behaviors by players.

Not sure why online is in quotes, but that's neither here nor there. Just because there will be toxic players, doesn't mean that Riot just wants to accept them. There are going to be people robbing stores, does that mean that we should just sit there and do nothing? You also have to take into account League's reputation of being and extremely toxic game. Having a banning system and banning toxic players aims to fix that.

The term itself is irrelevant to banning of players, if you google the definition it means 1, a poisonous substance, 2 denoting or relating to debt that has a high risk of default.

Context is important here. Specifically the third defination of the word toxic as provided by Marrim-Webster's Dictionary:

**extremely harsh, malicious, or harmful **

The bans on most people are unreasonable speaking relatively, The AI system bans on key phrases or key words in correlation of the term "TOXIC" what does this mean?

Relative to what? You can't just say it's relatively unreasonable with nothing to compare it to.

From what I understand, the AI is a learning system. Each region has it's own specific AI that does the banning, it looks for common phrases that a majority of players deem toxic. That's why you can get away (generally) with more toxicity on EUW as opposed to the NA server. Not only that, Riot has done multiple spot checks to make sure that the AI is working, and they do manually review cases from time to time. But having someone read every single report, that's not realistic.

In my opinion it first of all means, it's looking for evidence in correlation to a proper ban, which searches for a large and vast variety of words in it's database that it has collected over the months, years it has been running.

More realistically it looks for phrases more so than individual words.

In a sense you could say all vocabulary words can be "toxic" if interpreted wrong, or grouped with other words that form a toxic sentence.

This is where "words" and "phases" come into play. Again, context is important, in an ARAM you can say, "Lux suicide to tower, don't give them gold". I've been playing ARAM when you had to play it in a custom game, I've said that phrase multiple times, I have yet to get punished.

This can easily, be misread, miscalculated, misjudged.

While it isn't perfect, it's a lot better than the old Tribunal that we had, the old Tribunal, people would often press punish without reading the logs and they were right 80% of the time. There is no such thing as a perfect system. I suppose you could say that if millions of people reported people for saying "gg" at the end of the game, sure you'd be correct. However the likely hood of that actually happening, not realistic at all.

Delete enter, and play the game and you probably won't get banned if you can't talk, assuming that is.

You won't get punished for not talking in game, that's what the ping system is for. You don't have to talk at all. I've been playing this game for 6 years this December, I almost always talk in chat, I have yet to get so much as a warning. It's not hard, don't be a dick and you won't get punished.

Sarutobi10/27/2016, 5:54:12 AM2 votes

Do you have proof that people are getting ban for silly things? From my time on these boards people are hardly getting ban for silly things. People are toxic in this game and by Riot definition its anyone who is negative in the game. The chat is suppose to be used to help communicate and help teammates. Not to harass or belittle someone just because they arent playing to your expectations, or playing champions you dont like. What you fail to realize when people get ban they usually are giving warnings, let alone it takes a long time to actually get hit by a punishment the first time around. But once you are on the "list" of rule breakers and need to prove you are improving your behavior. Plus you also fail to realize (especially recently) a lot of people will try and hide what they are truly saying in the chat by taking it out, or cherrypicking their chatlogs. Thats not the reason why people get ban. They get ban because they show a continued negative behavior and when told to stop, they dont.

Yes anything could be considered toxic, but Riot isnt as stupid as people make them out to be. Ive never seen someone get ban for telling someone to stop feeding. I have seen people get ban for telling someone to kill themselves, or wishing cancer because that person may or may not be feeding or having a bad game. its all a matter of perspectives. This is the main reason why when people report someone they are necessarily ban that quickly (first offenses) because the system needs to see the intention. Is what the chatlog precises as toxic? Again this would help your argument is you actually shown proof of people getting ban unjustly because most if not all cases of an unjust ban is retracted because just like everything in life nothing is perfect. the system isnt intended to be prefect, but that is what people want which is just unrealistic. Yes innocent people are ban at a very small number rate. But this is the reason why people can appeal their ban.

EvilDustMan10/27/2016, 7:35:46 AM2 votes

It's 5% punishment rate. 5% get chat bans. Now, it took me a while to remember you, now I remember you. You never did post your chat logs, so no one could help you by pointing out why you might have skipped the 14 day ban.

MUSHROOM MIDGET10/27/2016, 8:19:29 AM1 votes

that % includes all the millions of bot accounts which never get banned. so the numbers are a bit skewed.

CrazyBear198710/27/2016, 9:24:28 AM1 votes

i dont know the math but i assume

100 000 000 (active players) x 0.006% is still 600,000 players. Am i right? or over exagerated?

this is not including those with multiple accounts or those who instantly remake one? maybe over a year 0.006%? 365 days a year?

lul on my match fail XD

scazzman10/27/2016, 7:41:57 PM1 votes

the reason riot's numbers are low is because they count

  • players who made a level 1 account but never actually played

  • inactives

  • people who are toxic but haven't gotten caught yet

  • unranked accounts

  • people who play exclusively in premades and can't be reported