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Its Not Flame

Azeranth·3/7/2019, 12:25:59 PM·5 votes·3,698 views

So, this is an important thing I thing some people need to realize and play according to. When you play ranked, you are playing to win. Fun is secondary. Winning is the fun. If you don't want a strictly competitive experience, GET OUT OF RANKED.

The important notice here is, is that when you are failing to do what you need to do. When you're 0/4 at 16 minutes. When you have let mid die while farming your raptors as kayn when you obviously could have come, you need to understand something: Me telling you "Get off your camp and come cover me mid so I can complete the reset, get plates, and back" isn't flame. Its 12 minutes, you're down 2 levels and died 3 times. The 30 seconds you would need to just come sit in the bush isn't better spent keeping your camp timers line up. You aren't gonna power farm up into it. We don't have the resources to funnel into you to make what you're doing work.

The "Stop telling me how to play my champion" or "Don't tell me what to do" attitude needs to get out of ranked. We're here to win. If what it takes to win is unfun to you, too fucking bad, should have played normals, shouldn't have inted level 4 to the WW at crab.

If you play vi top, and want to go full damage cool. If you're literally dying on cooldown to the fiora lane matchup, telling you "Stop trying to get triforce, go cleaver iceborn." isn't flame. There isn't enough gold on the map for you to continue that stupid fucking build. If you want to try and force that stupid NB3 SRO crap, go play normals. Go have fun, somewhere else, because you are actively sabotaging the game when you continue to try and force a strategy that has failed.

Not failing, not likely to fail, some strategies have failure conditions. Being 0/4 at 16 minutes to Fiora is a failure condition for full damage vi top. When you have failed, telling you to change tactics is not flame. Refusing to change tactics is gameplay sabotage.

33 Comments

Voldymort3/7/2019, 12:38:33 PM9 votes

Me telling you "Get off your camp and come cover me mid so I can complete the reset, get plates, and back" isn't flame.

as long as that is exactly the way you phrase it and you don't include negative adjectives or other forms of toxicity, then yes. it's not flame. You need to keep in mind tho that the one you're speaking to is perfectly free to choose not to do as you ask. And you need to adapt to that outcome and not procede to throw a tantrum.

The "Stop telling me how to play my champion" or "Don't tell me what to do" attitude needs to get out of ranked.

but... why do they only need to do what you say and not make decisions of their own? who died and made you team captain in a solo queue game?

We're here to win. If what it takes to win is unfun to you, too fucking bad, should have played normals

truth be told, if you're not having fun playing, the win is no longer meaningful. if you haven't had games where, despite winning, you didn't feel any shred of entertainment from the game then you probaly won't understand my p.o.v. on the matter

telling you "Stop trying to get triforce, go cleaver iceborn." isn't flame. There isn't enough gold on the map for you to continue that stupid fucking build.

what someone builds and how they play the game is their choice, not yours, regardless if it's an optimal strategy or not.

because you are actively sabotaging the game when you continue to try and force a strategy that has failed.

Being bad at the game is allowed. Being a backseat gamer is not. The mute button exists for that sort of attitude in particular.

When you have failed, telling asking you to change tactics is not flame.

FTFY

Jo0o3/7/2019, 12:38:20 PM5 votes

You're correct, but in practice, the tone of the suggestions are often condescending or outright hostile, and the advice itself is frequently dumb.

Let's say I'm playing Garen and getting camped into oblivion, so I'm 0/3 relatively early in the game with a Phage and a Tabi. Pinging my Phage and telling me to "get tanky" is pointless advice. Obviously I'm going to get tanky at some point, but I've sunk 1250 gold into a damage item already, and I'm losing lane because I'm heavily camped, not because I didn't pretend it was 2015 and rush Sunfire.

Advice isn't flame. But condescending and uninformed advice, especially if spammed, is unhelpful and detrimental to morale.

GatekeeperTDS3/7/2019, 1:26:43 PM5 votes

If you don't want a strictly competitive experience, GET OUT OF RANKED.

You are most certainly not the arbiter of who gets to play ranked and for what reasons. You can take a fake video game rank as seriously as you want, but nobody's experience is contingent on your approval.

The "Stop telling me how to play my champion" or "Don't tell me what to do" attitude needs to get out of ranked.

No. You are not the team captain. You are in charge of yourself and nobody else.

Makarakarn3/7/2019, 9:41:56 PM3 votes

Flame isn't you giving constructive criticism to your team mates, in fact I'd encourage constructive criticism in any scenario it can be given. However, if you're trying to claim that the majority of what goes down in ranked is anywhere near constructive, you're lying out your ass lol. Don't get me wrong, I do totally believe ranked should be competitive and treated as such, but that doesn't give you the right to be a dick to someone because they did something wrong. You correct, you do not insult.

FOR JUSTICE3/7/2019, 1:37:35 PM2 votes

Everything in the post seems to make sense except

The "Stop telling me how to play my champion" or "Don't tell me what to do" attitude needs to get out of ranked.

To which i say

https://youtu.be/0z2cLKmggoo?list=RD0z2cLKmggoo&t=24

Because seriously there is an extremely slim chance you actually know my champion better then me (assuming im not the d who first times it in ranked)

R107 Games3/7/2019, 12:45:25 PM2 votes

People are just extremely sensetive in the NA server. This server is memed the "4fun" region as everybody only cares about having fun and not winning.

Players in this region like to consider anything that annoys them to be "flame", such as criticising, banter, sarcasm, etc. It truly boils down to the kind of players we have on our region, and how Riot just defends/supports their sensetive mentality

Serika Zero3/7/2019, 2:42:30 PM1 votes

Imagine you fucked up at something you wanted

like you really wanted a girl, but you failed to seduce her. like you really wanted to get the best grade on a test, but you totally failed to get it. Like you really wanted to buy the food from the shop, but it ran out and you didn't get it. Like you wanted to do well this game, but you died a few times due to your misplays or the enemy being better.

How would you feel? My guess is, frustrated. Angry. At the enemy and/or yourself.

And then someone else comes bossing you around. Are you going to listen to their advice or not? How often did you listen to TOTAL STRANGERS in this game telling you what to build or how to play while having a bad game. I don't recall a single instance of that happening to me.

How many times, after something shitty happened irl, then a stranger came to you and started acting as if they are in charge and you were totally OK with it?

While for girls it might happen. On average guys are more aggressive and non-agreeable. The worst thing you could do is make your own team mate your enemy. You will not make them play better, you'd give them a reason as to why losing is ok (to get back at you. And most players in this game are male. And even the girls and women playing this are having tomboy tendencies. Very few are girly girls that are agreeable, pacifist and will follow orders in order to rely on you.

Most people in this game, based on the words you said above will mark you as an enemy rather than ally. Which means they are less likely to follow your calls. The only exception is when you are feed or you make big plays, then you might get some respect or authority, which will make other players follow you. But that's about it.

This is also why I stopped trying after like the first year, telling people how to play or build in-game. They won't listen anyway. Sure sometimes when I see my adc always alone and the enemy with an assassin. I'd say something like hey xxxxx try to stick with the adc. Or : meh, the enemy adc is sooo hard to kill, always having the support by her side. I wish our adc won't solo farm at 30mins.

Etc. And just ping objectives or call them to objectives. The first one is going against my entire thing above, but it's kind of a basic thing that I still passively aggressively say. While the objective call, is the main thing I should be doing.

Inkling Commando3/8/2019, 7:21:08 PM1 votes

i am glad i dont do that ranked shit. to me, having fun doesn't mean trying to win. i can have fun win or lose. and that is what every player should do. but i know that won't ever happen.