Your reformation system is still complete trash, riot

Senpanda·Jun 7, 2016·2 votes·1,483 views

"Hey, let's try and cater to a small portion of people who can't talk being called names over the internet because they're little babies."

Man i sure do love every company now trying to create some stupid little safe space for the people who can't take being called stuff over the internet.

I also love how you think perma banning people for "Verbal harassment" is even a remotely good thing to do. It totally makes sense to do that instead of taking all chat possibilities outside of champ select away. Instead of keeping the person from using said chat for harassment you instead perma ban them, which does literally jack all for stopping toxic behavior.

Lyte has no idea how to make a proper system

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Deep Terror NamiJun 7, 201612 votes

Actually, the vast majority of players don't appreciate being verbally abused by strangers when they're trying to play a game. If it was the minority then they wouldn't be able to report enough to get people punished. Most people never get chat restricted, let alone permabanned; it takes quite a lot to get all the way there.

If you'd like to discuss a punishment I'd suggest posting your reform card and mentioning prior punishments. If you want to contest your ban, submit a Support Ticket.

For guidelines on how to be a positive player so that you aren't breaking the Terms of Use, I suggest reading the following articles;

The Summoner's Code Behavior Worthy of a Champion

RabblerouserJun 7, 20161 votes

Yay! A Blue Name! :D

[slayer-pantheon-rainbows]

You forgot about how abusing your teammates can ruin team cohesion and royally mess over a game, though. Vayne jungle acts like a diva (no surprise Vayne ) because Braum support was covering his lane partner and Vayne was too far away for a Braum W. Vayne proceeds to abuse botlane. ADC leaves and everyone outright REFUSES to support the toxic Vayne.

This actually happened before. A friendly Ekko became the reason we won, though. But it was close.

jpguy902Jun 8, 20162 votes

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Actually, the vast majority of players don't appreciate being verbally abused by strangers when they're trying to play a game. If it was the minority then they wouldn't be able to report enough to get people punished. Most people never get chat restricted, let alone permabanned; it takes quite a lot to get all the way there.

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redniwediSJun 7, 201611 votes

Actually it's the "little babies" who think calling people names is an acceptable thing to do. If you think it is maybe it's time you started growing up.

archerno1Jun 7, 201610 votes

Little babies dont care if u call them names. THey laugh at that. Have u ever been near baby or something? But only immature, insecure excuses for human beings resort to flaming and humiliating other people.

AeroWaffleJun 7, 20165 votes

Considering people tend to care about their account, the threat of a perma-ban does act as great deterrence for the players with some semblance of self-control.

For the players that stubbornly ignore warnings just so they can be an ass in chat, yeah, you lose access to the account. Either follow the rules or be punished by them.

They already tried perma-chat bans. It didn't work. The players that were prone to the perma-chat bans were also prone to use other methods to be an ass once their chat was taken away.

So Riot just wants you gone if you can't control yourself after being warned.

GaleWinUnleashedJun 7, 20163 votes

It's not a "safe space" they're trying to create. It's supposed to be a "place where people on the Internet aren't jerks to their fellow human beings".

Hearing the toxicity isn't the problem here; we can take the abuse. But there's no reason we should have to. Calling someone on the Internet naughty names accomplishes absolutely nothing useful, and is correlated highly enough with negativity and other toxic behaviors that it's worth trying to remove the perpetrators in order to make this gaming community a better place.

FiruJun 8, 20163 votes

Did some big famous youtuber or something use the word "safe space" recently? Seems a lot of people are throwing that term around like it's an insult lately.

No flash no lifeJun 7, 20162 votes

Title is the only thing I agree with. Reformation system shouldn't exist to begin with. Undergoing reformation means the players have broken the terms they promised to keep no matter what happens, and if they do then they ought to be permanently removed from this community, and I see no room for reformation system in that setting.

Deep Terror NamiJun 7, 20165 votes

Without a strict punishment like a permaban at the end, players have little reason to reform. There are 3 punishment tiers before that, and the permaban is reserved only for players that have shown they have no intention of reforming or have committed acts of which there is zero tolerance. Even with a permban, players are free to create new accounts; I have seen quite a few players express regret for their actions after a permaban and reform on a new account.

o Maui oJun 9, 20161 votes

Riot has said that the reason they have the current punishment tiers is because they see significant reformation with each stage (something like 70+% of players who receive a punishment do not escalate to the next tier of punishment).

Colgate GatorJun 8, 20162 votes

Lyte isn't even working at Riot anymore.

LeblancsterJun 7, 20161 votes

I'm with you OP. The system is horrible. I even pointed out flaws where I got death threats issued to me, screen shotted them, sent in a support ticket with the screenshots, and the person still plays League to this day unpunished. To be clear, the player said he was going to "murder me like a fucking sewer rat." Deep Terror Nami even defended Riot's choice to not punish this player when I told him about it. I don't think he will ever admit that there ARE actually faults in the automated banning system. Like a troll in game, it's best to ignore him and move on.

The problem then comes in when they permanently ban someone for saying "report" or calling someone a "poopoo head." Why is this punished but a person threatening murder is not? Why you ask? I have to think it's because a machine is doing all the work, and Riot refuses to spend a little bit of their multi-billion dollars to hire a team to actually review cases.

Edit: Oh yeah I almost forgot too, if you actually try to have a sensible conversation with DTN about it, he claims you are toxic for having a different opnion, cries to Curator and Curator acts like Hitler and auto removes the post even though there is nothing wrong with either side's opinion on the matter. I've literally never seen a worse moderator in online forum history.

FurriesAreHotJun 8, 20162 votes

The Curator did not cause mass genocide against a religion. Te Curator did not go to war and cause millions of death. The Curator removes posts that should not be where they are.

LeblancsterJun 9, 20161 votes

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The Curator did not cause mass genocide against a religion. Te Curator did not go to war and cause millions of death. The Curator removes posts that should not be where they are.

He is just as bad, some nobody who gets into a position of power and abuses it nonstop for friends and personal gain.

o Maui oJun 9, 20162 votes

I don't think you understand what the phrase "just as bad" means

BettnachlegerJun 9, 20161 votes

My grandma would smash you into the ground if you would say some shit like this in front of her. Okay, maybe not, because she is to old to do so, but the stupidity in your words would make her cry ... (lost her mother / father, her place to live, got deported and stuff, born 1930 in Germany of course) Saying a forum moderator is just as bad as Hitler because he deleted some posts lol

FurriesAreHotJun 9, 20161 votes

Personal Gain? friends? False information based on a biased opinion. EDIT: How does removing posts give you friends and personal gain?

LeblancsterJun 9, 20161 votes

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Personal Gain? friends? False information based on a biased opinion. EDIT: How does removing posts give you friends and personal gain?

He removed my post because I had the opinion that Riot should permaban someone who threatens to murder someone, Deep Terror Nami disagreed. He then got upset that I called him out saying that he will never say ANYTHING against Riot because they gave him a blue name-- even when the system is flawed, then he cried to Curator instead of defending his argument, and Curator removed it simply because he CHOSE to abuse his power and to immediately defend a Blue named forum person instead of looking at the context and realizing that the guy was crying and seething in rage over a difference of opinions.

AstôlfoJun 8, 20161 votes

Or, you could just learn to act older than your age and be respectful to other people. But I understand it's hard for something like you to act older than 5.

DispelleJun 9, 20161 votes

Be less emotional over stuff in game and you'll get banned less. Seriously, grow up. If you're too delicate to handle someone messing up in a game on the internet, maybe you shouldn't be playing.