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@Riot, What do you want me to do?

UF Dan·12/31/2018, 2:42:01 AM·3 votes·3,098 views

https://imgur.com/a/X5i3lGf

I'm writing this post right after I finished this game because of how pissed off I am. This Pyke says nothing in champ select, nothing in game. He takes smite, takes Kayn's blue buff and afks at my turret. Obviously an instant loss. Kayn goes afk and I go move around at base to avoid getting a leaverbuster (advice given by the enemy Soraka).

I don't even care that I lost 13 minutes of my time I can deal with the fact that i lost a whopping 21 lp for that game, even though I usually lose around 14 or 15 I can accept the fact that players like this that ruin games for 9 others and lead to the unfair lp loss of 4 other players is only gonna get a useless low priority queue which can never actually lead to a ban And Yeah, I can deal with the fact that I didn't even get the feedback report that this dude got punished after i reported him

And maybe I could have dealt with the fact that I did end up getting a leaverbuster for absolutely no reason and the fact that the Kayn probably also got one. But I can't simultaneously accept me getting punished for something not even close to my fault, and the actual afker getting absolutely nothing.

So I'm asking Riot directly. What do you want me to do? What do you expect of me?

Do I sit there and accept being held hostage for 13 minutes and pretend to play the game for that duration of time? Or does Riot actually expect me to just take a leaverbuster for absolutely no reason?

What's even funnier is this recently added Remake system which was suppose to fix these problem, actually just ends up punishing people with real life situations that take priority over a videogame, instead of actual trolls, and is often abused by players to reset games because they messed up in champ select.

There have been countless suggestions by players more knowledgeable than me that can fix these problems, but Riot seems to prioritize toxicity which can be instantly negated with the mute button and doesn't have the same game-ruining impact that actual inters and afkers do.

I've never seen a system that actively goes out of its way to punish innocent players for something other players do. Oh you don't want to play your clearly unwinnable 4v5? Yeah have a 20 minute queue time and take a higher than normal lp loss with it. In what world does this logic make sense?

Edit: For all of you saying to try to win anyways, keep in mind that my entire team (as they logically should) gave up cause they knew we would lose the game. So if I were to actually try, I would essentially be fighting out a 1v5 in Diamond Elo. If after reading that you still think I should have tried, please do not bother commenting <Removed by Moderation>

No there is nothing "toxic" or hypocritical about me or any of my other teammates afking. The chances of winning a 4v6 are too low to go through the effort of playing that game out. That's a conclusion 99.999% of players in Diamond Elo are gonna come to in that situation. You know what would be way more toxic? Me delaying the inevitable by trying to delay the enemy team from ending essentially holding my teammates hostage, the same way that Pyke and Riot's system held us hostage for 13 minutes. Now that's toxic.

Final Edit: So the majority opinion seems to be against mine, which was honestly not what I expected. So I'll leave this to all who still disagree with me:

https://imgur.com/a/hQ1yu1x

The Pyke ended up trolling a second time leading to another wasted 10 minute game. He then proceeded to play a few more of what I assume to be "normal" ranked games clearly showing this guy was never punished.

Still think Riot's System isn't broken? Then I present you with Dota's System: In Dota 2, if someone afks for more than 5 minutes, you are allowed to leave the game, and start a new one. You still lose LP or whatever point system they use, but you are still allowed to not only LEAVE, but also BEGIN a new game without being punished.

48 Comments

Umbral Regent12/31/2018, 5:24:27 AM8 votes

...and I go move around at base to avoid getting a leaverbuster (advice given by the enemy Soraka).

And maybe I could have dealt with the fact that I did end up getting a leaverbuster for absolutely no reason...

I'm sorry, but are you actually saying that you AFK'ed, moved around in base to try and avoid leaverbuster detection, and that you somehow got LeaverBuster for "no reason"?

You should count yourself lucky that you got LeaverBuster, because trying to avoid detection like that can net you a 14-day ban quicker than you can blink.

But I can't simultaneously accept me getting punished for something not even close to my fault...

So did you or did you not AFK? Because, if you did, then that's your fault, and nobody else's. You can't pin the blame of your actions onto someone else.

...and the actual afker getting absolutely nothing.

And you know that for a fact......How?

What do you want me to do? What do you expect of me?

To play the game out as best you can. You signed up for it, you gotta commit to it. And if you decide for whatever reason that you don't want to play that match anymore, at least own up to your decision.

What's even funnier is this recently added Remake system which was suppose to fix these problem, actually just ends up punishing people with real life situations that take priority over a videogame, instead of actual trolls, and is often abused by players to reset games because they messed up in champ select.

Well, to start off with, someone tanking a penalty when they messed something up in Champ Select isn't an abuse case. They're willing to take a penalty so that the rest of the team doesn't suffer for their own mistakes, and it's rare enough that it's hard to be concerned about it.

Beyond that, the /remake system has known rules. Every detail about /remake is out in the open, and no system is perfect - so you can't blame a system that's so readily known for having such a painful fault. It still functions in the way it's intended to, though. It's supposed to give teams some recourse if they have someone leave before the match kicks off.

It's not built to account for trolls who know how it works - and I can't imagine it reasonably being able to do so, given, again, the way the system works is completely out in the open. Anyone can learn its ins and outs without hardly any effort, so can you really expect Riot to be able to perfectly tune it to counteract every possible abuse case?

There have been countless suggestions by players more knowledgeable than me that can fix these problems...

Got any links?

...but Riot seems to prioritize toxicity which can be instantly negated with the mute button and doesn't have the same game-ruining impact that actual inters and afkers do.

I swear, if I had a dollar.

Riot works against both forms of toxicity at once. It's not some situation where they have finite resources and can only afford to zero in on one and leave the other to run wild. In fact, I'd wager that Riot's putting more focus into gameplay toxicity than verbal toxicity, considering just how easy it is to catch the latter.

I've never seen a system that actively goes out of its way to punish innocent players for something other players do.

You are not innocent. You said it yourself, you AFK'ed and tried to move around while not playing so as to avoid LeaverBuster detection. That is the opposite of innocent.

Edit: For all of you saying to try to win anyways, keep in mind that my entire team (as they logically should) gave up cause they knew we would lose the game. So if I were to actually try, I would essentially be fighting out a 1v5 in Diamond Elo.

Then your entire team gets punished. It doesn't matter what elo you're at - you queue up for a game, you click "accept", and you play it out.

rujitra12/31/2018, 3:04:37 AM5 votes

Why not play the game? By "afking" in base (I use quotes because you were "moving), you still likely got LeaverBuster detected and it is a mark against your account.

Just because someone else made the game unfun does not allow you to ruin the game of your other teammates and the enemy by making it unfun for them and non-competitive.

Totally Not Jinx12/31/2018, 3:18:15 AM4 votes

The answer to unsportly behaviour is not, despite what many people will tell you, more unsportly behaviour.

There is a logical fallacy in philosophy, called Two Wrongs. Someone else's poor behaviour does not, under any circumstances, justify your own poor behaviour. It will suck, and you will feel awful, but the best preservation of the environment in this game is to counter the toxicity, trolling, and straight up bullshit by doing your very best with what you have.

Sometimes, that will mean taking losses, muting literally everything chat and ping wise, and playing alone. Sometimes you will win by sheer luck of the carry, exploiting the enemy team's mistakes if they make them.

Would I like to see a task force specifically designed for adjusting player behaviour in-game to make this place less toxic? Absolutely.

But all I can do, as an individual, is breathe through the tilt, keep going, and try not to compromise my own account.

Good luck.

KFCeytron12/31/2018, 3:25:08 AM3 votes

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Kei14312/31/2018, 12:05:50 PM2 votes

Why would the game be over just because someone else took blue buff?

You high elo players always have this baby mindset that you can't come back once enemy gets a lead. Why the fuck would do you guys think that way?

ı Sona ı12/31/2018, 3:41:58 AM1 votes

Play to win even in the hardest most impossible scenarios. That Garen looked like he was putting some strong effort into it. Pyke might of had an emergency to step away and would of come back, so even if it was 3 v 5 for a moment he might of started going again.

If the goal is to win ranked then you must do everything to try to win.