Am I allowed to pick what champ I want for my lane? Is there some rule I'm unfamiliar with that says that I have to choose a certain role for a position or am I allowed to try to use whatever champion, masteries, runes, etc. As long as I'm doing my best to win the game while playing?
If so how do I respond to people who purposefully limit my options by banning who I choose or complain about my choices to incite a team or game wide report?
Makior7210 votesWhat you are refering to is called playing off meta or breaking the meta. It is not against the rules and no amount of reporting will get you in trouble for it.
To combat people banning the champ you are going to use simply do not select a champion when displaying pick intent.
That said, you will likely still get flamed and have an increase in people dodgeing matches.
Randomonium8 votesYou're being really vague in this post so it's hard to say if it's acceptable behavior.
First of all, is this ranked or normals?
Second, where you playing the champion in the role they were designed to play? For example, if you tell me that you want to play full AD Veigar as our ADC then I don't think that's acceptable unless the rest of your team is OK with it.
Third, you can choose what runes and mysteries you want but if you make choice that are clearly less powerful (i.e. not taking a keystone) then your team has the right to make a comment on it.
There's a fine line between being creative and being a troll, kind of like there's a fine line between genius and insanity. You'll need to provide more info before I can decide what side of the line you belong on.
Valor Bot3 votesCorrect me if I'm wrong, but I don't think going full attack damage Veigar (or any other silly pick) is punishable, whether it be in a Normal or Ranked match, and players don't need permission from their teams to do it. As long as the Veigar player tries to win, they're within the bounds of the Summoner's Code.
However, AD Veigar isn't really a feasible carry, so few people will recommend it.
Mastadon4 votesplaying AD Veigar may be within summoner's code but it is frowned upon by many. You will be considered a troll and noone likes trolls. I especially despise trolls.
BLACK REALM GOD1 votesYou're both being ridiculous. Why would you purposely put yourself as squishy veigar who has no attack speed doesn't gain much damage while leveling and is slow at moving around against any champion who has range attack speed or magic resist? You're just spewing misleading information that incites rage prejudice and hate. Stop using your propaganda as a way to limit playability and create fear in new or inexperienced players. A more reasonable comparison would be to say if you went tank veigar vs going pure ap in top lane or to go aura veigar as a support.
you know what though. Veigar with attack speed could proc a lot of thunder lords and such with the new keystone masteries. One grants you more for ap after all
Sona Ping1 votesIt's not ridiculous at all. People try things like that. People play ADC Orianna in ranked. People insist on the greatness of things like Support Kayle or Support Yasuo.
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Am I allowed to pick what champ I want for my lane? Is there some rule I'm unfamiliar with that says that I have to choose a certain role for a position or am I allowed to try to use whatever champion, masteries, runes, etc. As long as I'm doing my best to win the game while playing?
If so how do I respond to people who purposefully limit my options by banning who I choose or complain about my choices to incite a team or game wide report?
And what you wrote in the beginning sounds exactly like the complaints of people whinging that their teams get upset at them for this.
BLACK REALM GOD1 votesSo what would you call kayle then?
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So what would you call kayle then?
Do pardon; I don't understand what you are asking me.
If you say something like that, my initial response would be "IDK, a Hybid scaling AS based Champion?" because that question has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Hence my confusion.
BLACK REALM GOD1 votesIt's not ridiculous at all. People try things like that. People play ADC Orianna in ranked. People insist on the greatness of things like Support Kayle or Support Yasuo.
my question was what would you call kayle? im asking because your comment used her as an example as to what trolling players would pick - kayle support. i was also confused because her suggested roles are fighter/support. i understand the disdain for yasuo. that's why i didnt bother asking, but as far as that goes any champion who builds off of cooldown and attack speed are considered less viable due to those stats being secondary by nature. a support yasuo would utilize his windwall and his knockup only. both of which arent very effective at long engagements. at best you have a sore thumb that sometimes gets in the way of an arrow from ashe. he's also a harder build to get used to since his Q which is a primary damage dealer builds as if it were his basic attack but his E builds as if it were a charge ability like caitlyns traps. when you add in the fact that he has no crowd control no mana no energy no range and only 1 consistent damaging ability because the R requires that an opponent be in the air it isnt hard understanding why yasuo is so limited in playability. or is it? im sure there are some people somewhere than can tell you exactly what runes and masteries to bring to make the weirdest champ viable. think about that the next time you see blue ezreal in mid.
Sona Ping1 votesOkay the first problem is you made a mistake and thought I was talking about "what trolling players would pick". The second mistake is that you think those champion roles have any bearing at all on how the game is actually played. I mean, Vladimir is listed as a tank for god's sake.
The point of this, is that it is not at all "ridiculous", as you put it. People can and do pick things like Orianna ADC, Annie Jungle, Yasuo/Kayle/etc. support as picks that they actually think is different but great and these are also the kind of picks that a team could and maybe would ban to keep their own teammate from picking them for justifiable reasons. I.E. because it's giving the team, not a strength, but a liability.
For the record, I don't particularly care what some guy picks in normals. However, "im sure there are some people somewhere than can tell you exactly what runes and masteries to bring to make the weirdest champ viable. think about that the next time you see blue ezreal in mid." And I'm sure that I could explain to them why Ahri Jungle and the like aren't viable, because runes and masteries are not a belt sander that can be used to make a square peg fit in a round hole. And don't even start trying to compare this to Ez mid, because this isn't even close to the same thing.
BLACK REALM GOD1 votesVladimir is a tank. How do you even play this game if you can't see how Vladimir can be a tank? Roa rylias randuinns and mercury tread. Boom instant tank. Put some cool down and health regen on him for runes and you're golden. Drop into your pool of blood when you get low on hp and slide away
Sona Ping1 votesBecause that's not even a tank build, for one. Further, it doesn't make Vladimir any more of a tank than any other AP mage you build that same thing on and they still aren't tanks or listed as tanks. The only reason he has the tank tag is because of the little bit of health from the passive. If you have to, just pretend I wrote "I mean, Katarina is listed as a mage for god's sake." instead and pay attention to the rest of what I wrote.
BLACK REALM GOD1 votesThe difference is how Vladimir uses hp instead of mana. His passive grants hp and ability power. And you're not making your argument any more valid by using katarina as an example. If you don't build attack damage on her and rely solely on her abilities then she is a mage. She only LOOKS like an assassin in appearance. To make her an assassin you build movement and damage to make her able to shunpo in for the kill then run out. As a mage you spam q w e and r for aoe magical damage. Please don't give me anymore excuses. They're making you look uninformed and are taking away from your key points of your argument.
Sona Ping1 votesYes, because Katarina's kit looks so much more like Xerath's than Talon and Akali and the rest.
Good god....
BLACK REALM GOD1 votesKatarina is an assassin primarily and a mage secondarily. I never claimed that her kit wasn't similar or dissimilar to either. but if you want to compare here moves to anyone I would probably compare them to ryze morgana and the other champions that can ward hop. She might feel like akali if you're not experienced because her q throws a dagger that marks her w does a rotational attack and her e lets you dash kind of sure, but if you play all your champions based on appearance then Shen and orianna would play exactly the same. Khazix and rengar would play exactly the same. The truth is that there's more to a kit than just the way the image or animation looks. Kats q is actually closer to a swain mark than akalis Q kats w is like akalis w but the utility is way different. Where akali uses her w for health regain Kat uses it to finish off a champ whose barely survived a shunpo . Kats shunpo is unique to her because it provides 3 things that most dashes and teleports limit. Her teleport damages can be cast on all champs wards and minions and is instant unlike lucian yasuos and akalis dashes. It's basically kassadins r but with a limit to use and requires a different form of resource. Katarinas R is a damage dealing channel. It might as well be morganas R and nunus R mixed. I'm not saying Kat isn't an assassin. But she can definitely be a mage. The comparison to Vladimir is also off because while Vladimir is a tank first Kat is a mage second. I think the problem you're having might be caused by you not understanding the definitions of each category and what the criteria is to be a certain role. You might also not know how the difference in role affects base stat increases with leveling. There's nothing wrong about not knowing why. I'm going to go ahead and say you probably don't agree with azir being a marksman either right?
Anomander5 votesRanked or normal doesn't matter.
You can't be punished even for playing a full ad Viegar as a adc regardless of what your team thinks.(this is rude but not against any rules)
They can make any comment they want however if they are rude in any way about the comment that is reportable unlike using whatever runes you want.
A person can play the game any way they want as long as they are trying to win. It is better to play off-meta with a team of friends because it is likely to be a less toxic game. However there is no rule against it.
If you don't like what the person picks you have the option of dodging. You don't get to be rude or toxic because of that players choice. I don't care if it is a Nami devourer jungle.
BLACK REALM GOD1 votesI don't think I'm being vague. I'm using generalization, but that's just so I don't call attention to any specific situation. I'm not looking for a broad answer. I'm asking if it's against the rules to play any champ in any lane with any build given that I'm trying my best to win. That's pretty straightforward. Trolls don't try their best. Toxic players don't try their best.
Randomonium3 votesLike I said, it still depends. If you purposely go for a sub-optimal build or play a champion in a role that is near impossible for them to succeed at then in my mind it doesn't matter how hard you try. You shouldn't purposely shoot you team in the foot and then hide behind the "I'm doing my best" excuse.
Additionally, There is no way for people to prove that someone is "trying their best." Trolls and toxic people may claim that they are "trying their best" when they are not. How are we supposed to tell the difference between them and you?
There is a TON of gray area here though. If its a normal game then I'm all for try off-meta stuff. I once had a guy go tank Anivia top lane and he absolutely dominated. Off-meta stuff can be great fun in normals and if you lose then who cares. When its ranked though I expect people to play their best champions in the best role with the best builds. I don't want someone pulling out a super secret strat when I'm in my promos and I'm going to be pissed if they feed with an absurd build that in my mind would never work. Even if that person claims to be "trying their best" from my perspective they are trolling me and costing me LP.
As far as what rules it goes against I think the main one is the summoner's code. The terms of use clearly state that breaking the Summoner's Code is a punishable offense and one of the tenets of the summoner's code is you shouldn't have fun at other people's expense. I would say that applies to doing crazy, off-meta stuff. If they don't want you to do it and you do it anyway then you are having fun at their expense (doesn't mean they should be disrespectful to you though. Two wrongs don't make a right.) That's why I think you should clear it with your team first before you do something really crazy. And if you can't find people in SoloQ who are receptive its extremely easy to find people on the forums who are looking to have fun doing off-meta stuff and I'm sure that will become even easier as the season progresses with the new social improvements Riot is working on.
This is not a simple question so I don't know why you are expecting a simple answer. That's why you need to provide more specifics. The devil is in the details with situations like this.
ModUlanopo7 votesAs several people have already said, it's okay to make an off-meta pick. Some people will be upset. Some will even report you. The system does an excellent job of weeding out false and malicious reports.
That said, it's worth considering that League is a team game and there are some ways that you can make your choices easier on your teammates:
Wickedfates1 votesAs several people have already said, it's okay to make an off-meta pick. Some people will be upset. Some will even report you. The system does an excellent job of weeding out false and malicious reports.
That said, it's worth considering that League is a team game and there are some ways that you can make your choices easier on your teammates:
- Go in with friends, especially if you want to try a weird jungle, marksman or support pick.
- Explain what you're doing and that you have been successful with it before.
- Understand if people disagree with your pick.
- Sometimes, you may want to bend to your teammates.
- "IGNORE, REPORT AND MOVE ON" whenever you encounter toxicity.
im sry but i disagree with what you say here about bending to your teammates.... giving into trolls when you are playing by the rules and only doing something they dont like is wrong imho. just wanted to say that
ModUlanopo1 votesim sry but i disagree with what you say here about bending to your teammates.... giving into trolls when you are playing by the rules and only doing something they dont like is wrong imho. just wanted to say that
I think you have to pick your battles. In most cases, you won't ever see that person again, so considering whether this is a fight worth having is a good idea. Also, it's very possible to have someone reasonably disagree. If someone says, "hey, can you someone else?", you might want to oblige them. Being reasonable takes you places.
Angry Monster3 votesever wonder why you are bronze? I mean this seriously, cause this thread is an example of it. I do not care if i get down voted on this. This whole line of thought i can play what i want, where i want, when i want is a typical bronze player problem.
Meta exists for a reason and you are not proving anything by occasionally beating other bronze players.
In theory if you did bad enough the argument could be made that you are trolling rank (hurting team mates) with your champion picks and throw games with your performance. If enough people reported (over X games) it Riot would eventually look at the case, cause you keep popping up but the system can not understand why.
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ever wonder why you are bronze? I mean this seriously, cause this thread is an example of it. I do not care if i get down voted on this. This whole line of thought i can play what i want, where i want, when i want is a typical bronze player problem.
Meta exists for a reason and you are not proving anything by occasionally beating other bronze players.
In theory if you did bad enough the argument could be made that you are trolling rank (hurting team mates) with your champion picks and throw games with your performance. If enough people reported (over X games) it Riot would eventually look at the case, cause you keep popping up but the system can not understand why.
For the most part, meta picks only matter in high elo, or, tournaments, such as the LCS... I say that from No rank to Diamond, you are free to pick what you want where you want, just try your best. Once in diamond or higher, try to stick with the meta, or, things that can counter the meta/counter pick, and or, your main champ, or ,champs that you are good at.
Samus722 votesI play who I want to play. If you ask around, it's why I cannot advance in rank. Whether I agree with that is debatable.
MeilinII1 votesIt's certainly not going to help you. Even if you play an off-meta pick REALLY REALLY well, the amount of your teammates who get toxic/tilted because you're playing off-meta may result in you losing games you could/should be winning. Not in any way your fault, but true. The amount of flame I've gotten for "In meta, out of style" supports like Sona and Nami is stupid. -_-
Samus722 votesIt's certainly not going to help you. Even if you play an off-meta pick REALLY REALLY well, the amount of your teammates who get toxic/tilted because you're playing off-meta may result in you losing games you could/should be winning. Not in any way your fault, but true. The amount of flame I've gotten for "In meta, out of style" supports like Sona and Nami is stupid. -_-
Nami and Sona are not meant to be support characters? Then I guess I really am playing League wrong.
MeilinII1 votesNami and Sona are not meant to be support characters? Then I guess I really am playing League wrong.
Oh they are, that's why they're "In Meta" but they're not tanks or Soraka or an AP mage, so they're not flavor of the month right now. The amount of people that want me to play Leona, Braum, Thresh, Blitz, Brand, ect. instead of champs that I am good with is ridiculous.
BLACK REALM GOD1 votesPut targons rylias and abyssal on mundo. Combined with spirit visage dead mans plate and a set of your favorite shoes... Bring exhaust or heal and teleport. You've got yourself a mundo support.
or you can get randuins omen. Frozen heart. Aegis of the leagion... The list goes on and on
Sona Ping1 votesYou look to be confused on what the term "meta" means. What you are describing is people fussing at you playing non-meta champions even if you are good with them, instead of champions that are in meta.
1ezrealvs5scabs1 votesGet a life
Valor Bot1 votesYes, you are allowed to play any Champion you please in any position so long as you make an effort to win the game. A lot of people won't agree with certain picks, so they might get upset at you for it and may even threaten to report you, but you cannot be punished for going off-meta and should feel no shame in doing so.
Just play the game and enjoy all the possibilities it has to offer :)
Anomander1 votesYou can play what you want where you want. Just have to try to win. People will rage. People will be toxic. People will report you.
It is not punishable. The reports get thrown out. Just don't respond in kind and you will be fine.
BLACK REALM GOD1 votesIf someone has a history of reporting good players who play off meta - do they get punished? Because it says at the bottom of the report screen in fine print that you can be punished for excessive reporting.
Anomander2 votesReports are weighted based on accuracy. If you falsely report often enough your reports carry no weight.
Riot has performed audits and punished people for false reporting in the past. Here is the link and a copy of the post.
http://forums.euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1201829
-22-2013
Today we completed an audit of players in the EUW region, and have applied suspensions and chat-restrictions to the accounts of players found to have consistently abused the report feature. These players are among the bottom 0.5% of the population for toxic behavior and also the bottom 0.5% for false reporting. Some of these players consistently reported every player in their game, multiple games in a row. Additionally, these players reports will have no significant impact on the Tribunal system until they have shown that they can use the feature responsibly by only reporting players who are a toxic influence in game.
The Tribunal does not tolerate players who use reporting and the threat of reporting as a means of intimidation and abuse. We are in the process of further audits, and will be continuing to apply suspensions and chat-restrictions as necessary in the coming weeks.
For the vast majority of players, there should be no concern. We encourage Summoners to report players when they have had a toxic experience, but we also require that players give each report the consideration it deserves. Reports are not meant to be used as means of retaliation against another player and such abuse of the system is not taken lightly
BLACK REALM GOD1 votesThank you for your informative reply. It has helped to restore confidence in my game play.
Z Statistic1 votesSure, you CAN, but that doesn't mean you SHOULD. It's not punishable, but it's dumb as fuck in a lot of situations. For more details: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sBYxUj18sA
JusticeReigns1 votesYou are allowed to play how you want, there is no restriction, the vast majority of people you play with will think there is, and it is fine to ignore them. They are limited not only by their peers but by themselves, trapped into cookie cutter roles and false assumptions of what is "viable" and what "the pros dont do" and "there is a reason people don't do that."
Even Riot has address the public in previous updates telling them not to be afraid to be different in how you play. Play on my friend, play on. Sona/Lulu/Janna top4lyfe.
BLACK REALM GOD1 votesSoraka top. Please do soraka top.
Mastadon1 votesThat is just simply something you have to deal with or just play meta champs. I personally get a little frustrated when people play off meta, as most people do, but I have had some do very well with it and won games for me. Good luck man.
Wolfess1 votesI don't think going off the meta is a bad thing, but I will definitely say that there is definitely a limit on just how much deviation there can be on a champion's intended builds and uses.
Example: ad vaigar. Sure you can try it if for some reason your team has a lot of magic damage and maybe only 1 physical damage doing champion. It might be worth it because your team might need more physical damage to counter the enemy team building high magic resist. At the same time though veigar's abilities all scale with AP, meaning that perhaps aside from event horizon and his ult, the other abilities are going to be sub-par in damage even with his free-ap Q ability. If you can actually get it to work, well then super! If not, well try explaining to your team what your intent was and that you were trying to counter the enemy team's build.
then we can have an example like this: AP Talon. All of talon's damage scales from AD, not AP. Not only that but without something like nashor's tooth his autos will do horrible damage, and even then none of his abilities will do any significant damage either. This is what you really call a troll build or even intentionally feeding because you're not helping your team with this, you're hurting your own team and helping the enemy team by giving them an easy fight and very likely an easy kill.
Before you try something unorthodox or off-meta, please do consider a few things to help you decide if something might work or if it's worthwhile:
remember that you're not just playing by yourself but with 4 other people on your team. Don't forget they're there to try to have fun as well so don't ruin their time by hurting your own team's potential.
SuperGlide1 votesMaking troll picks isn't trying your hardest to win?
Wickedfates1 votesnope, like you said, just do your best, and try to have some fun =^D
idk how to respond to them though, sry.... if you figure out a good way pls let me know.... i used to have teambuilder for that
i guess we just try, pick the champ you want to play, play it how you want, and hope they dont flame you too badly.... and never respond negativly.... dont want to get banned for playing Teemo support
BLACK REALM GOD1 votesEveryone here who has commented has said the same thing. Yes as long as you're sincerely trying your best. If that's the truth then why did two people from this post make a troll "response" post criticizing my question with the constant AD veigar comment that keeps being used as an example by using flamboyant language and unrealistic situations that practically never happen? Why am I getting at least 1 down vote per up vote for just simply asking a question? I think everyone in the league community needs to take a moment and think about what's been said here and honestly consider his or her own actions and how those actions are influencing negativity in other players. No one WANTS to lose. I promise you that is a fact. So why would anyone force themselves to lose? It's simple. For attention or revenge. Who are they getting attention from? Whoever acknowledges them. It could be friends or family watching them play. It could be twitch or YouTube viewers. It might also be you without knowing it just by simply attacking back and talking to them - they're being acknowledge. Who are they wanting revenge against? Maybe it's personal and they hate league of legends and want it to be the worst game in the world. Maybe it's because they lost their promos. Maybe it's because they got trolled. Or maybe it's just because you banned their champ even though they're on your team. Whatever the reason if the troll is getting what he/she wants then they're winning even if the team is losing. If league as a community stops embracing negativity and hatred as "okay in certain scenarios" then everyone will have a better time and those people who give into their urge to "troll" would get NO enjoyment from it. They would literally be forcing themselves to lose and no one wants to lose.
As for anyone who embraces the meta - do you honestly understand how the meta works? I'll explain as much as I can off the top of my head in another post. I was going to put it here but it ended up being way too long.
MegaLobunny1 votesHmm, I suppose it simply depends on your outlook. Of course you're allowed to play how you wish. The only problem comes in when you have a toxic attitude (attacking people who don't like your pick, forcing your way into a role, ect). The toxicity obviously goes both ways and it's not okay for people to harass you for playing something off-meta. There is also a bit of range considered appropriate for game modes. Normals are more accepting of strange decisions than ranked. Kindred adc is more accepted than full ap shyvana as an example. Kindred adc is acceptable for ranked but full ap shyvana isn't unless you're playing with a full group of friends. Anything goes in normals so long as you're friendly and are honestly trying. I say that you shouldn't play something too off meta with strangers in ranked for a reason. Ranked is more serious and you have no idea how the stranger feels. If they're uncomfortable about an ap shyvana and very serious about ranked, then your decision could ruin the game for that person right off the bat. That would make the whole game worse for the whole team. While you shouldn't make your decisions entirely based on a strangers thoughts (if they demand braum and you hate braum, ignore them), you should still take their ideas into account. This is a team game afterall.