Report baiting subculture, /mute all. and how riot's ban system may actually be counterproductive

scazzman··7 votes·1,480 views

Ok we get it. negative chat "and honestly just the chat in general" is distracting to the actual game. however, i feel like how riot deals with it may actually make the problem worse. and here's how

currently, ANY negative chat will get you punished if you do it enough, even as minor as "shut up" or calling someone bad. leading to chat restrictions and an eventual permaban for people who refuse to conform. it's done by an automated AI. that refuses to acknowledge context or provocation. however, the AI is absolutely horrid at catching negativity outside of chat or hardcore intentional feeding "we're talking like 6 tears and 30+ deaths" and manual reviews are few and far between. I've seen videos of people going 400+ games of trolling without getting banned, "looking at you TahmKench Anivia duo"

this has created a subculture of trolls who will attempt to bait other players into getting reported by using passive aggressive, but "non offensive" chat. "soft inting" deliberately banning peoples champs, ping spamming, holding surrender votes hostage, or any number of ways to troll without being detected. especially since people get a popup if their report triggered a punishment.

riot claims only 5% of the playerbase is negative enough to earn a punishment. based on my personal experience this number should actually be much higher, and thats simply how many actually "get caught" why? because people have simply taken it out of chat, and have resorted to griefing through gameplay. which is not only harder to detect. but is more disruptive, and can't simply be muted.

in addition, riot has "likely unintentionally garnered among neutral players and competitive players a fear of the chatbox and a "/mute all mentality." even with the new honor system. more people would rather /mute all then try and communicate. this creates yet another source of frustration for players trying to climb. people fail to realize how mind numbingly tilting it is to have your chat flat out ignored. because you arent sure why theyre ignoring you. and in cases of players who have had run ins with the punishment system, can create "report paranoia" "oh god. he muted me. im going to get reported and probably banned again" this leads to frustration, and frustration leads to negative chat.

ALSO. another side effect, is that players who ARE prone to negative chat are FORCED to "bottle up" their feelings. to avoid getting reported. this ends up leading to less frequent, but more severe chat toxicity. as A. when people get sick of it. they tend to just explode. and when they realize they're getting reported anyway. they simply go full george carlin.

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Serika Zero4 votes

currently, ANY negative chat will get you punished if you do it enough, even as minor as "shut up" or calling someone bad.

I highly disagree. I'm not the epitome of being nice and cool in chat. Yet I haven't got chat restricted even once, let alone banned. Yes, i never told someone to get cancer. But I did tell people to suicide or kill themselves. Mostly in aram, but its possible i've may have done this in other game modes too. Apparently the system didn't take it as an insult and that's it. hint: in aram you can't spend your gold unless you die, its also a good idea for the entire team to die near the enemy base and 'reset' if you are ahead or equal.

i've also outright insulted people before, still not even one chat restriction. Its just that i don't do that every single game...........

also, until now the 'biggest' thing that happened was me getting notification that i've been reported. As there was a time when i got reported in mass by different people for different reasons. But generally out of pitty. Like, there were these 2 guys feeding during a co-op vs ai on purpose. And we also had a new player and a sort of new player in the game. Because they feed so hard, the new player rage quitted. And they kept spamming surrender votes, so, i had to pretty much carry 1v5 as the other guy wasn't amazing, but at least he was pushing towers while i constantly defended and killed bots attacking our base. And we won, so, i got reported by the 2 premade trolls. that's the part i still remember.

So, no. You don't get punished for ANYTHING. That's a wild exaggeration and one of the main reasons none of your points have value. If you initial argument comes from a hyperbole, and all the rest of it is tailored around that. Then your whole argument is a lie, or not accurate.

While I agree that riot's way of banning via chat is stupid and retarded to the point that recently i've stopped using it almost entirely. I also dislike this heavy exaggeration from your part (and the rest of the community as a matter of fact) when you are trying to argue facts. Yes, feelings matter, but feelings aren't coded into the game or ban system.

You need proper facts and evidence about what has to get changed. At least, usually.

KVbqbFsC8e3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Serika Zero,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=dlQs2593,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-09-17T05:28:34.036+0000)

I highly disagree. I'm not the epitome of being nice and cool in chat. Yet I haven't got chat restricted even once, let alone banned.

It really depends on how often you do it. You absolutely can be permabanned for something as minor as calling teammates "bad". Theres a very common misconception on this board that you need to be super toxic in order to be permabanned. Calling someone "bad" is punishable, and under Riots system anything that is punishable can get you permabanned.

Serika Zero3 votes

yes, you are correct, but this doesn't mean you are right. You will possible get banned for only saying 'bad'. But, you have NOT been banned for saying 'bad' and worse stuff before. This is important. You will not get banned for 'anything negative'. You will quite often NOT get banned for saying something negative, toxic or insulting. You will get banned if you say it often enough. Which means, you didn't get banned in the first place the other 99 times you've said bad things ;)

The part of the OP i mainly disagree with is the premise where ANYTHING negative will get you banned. This means every case is isolated and the slightest offense would get you punished. And he constructed the argument based on this premise. Which, is, quite a falsity.

scazzman1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Serika Zero,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=dlQs2593,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-17T07:09:39.784+0000)

yes, you are correct, but this doesn't mean you are right. You will possible get banned for only saying 'bad'. But, you have NOT been banned for saying 'bad' and worse stuff before. This is important. You will not get banned for 'anything negative'. You will quite often NOT get banned for saying something negative, toxic or insulting. You will get banned if you say it often enough. Which means, you didn't get banned in the first place the other 99 times you've said bad things ;)

The part of the OP i mainly disagree with is the premise where ANYTHING negative will get you banned. This means every case is isolated and the slightest offense would get you punished. And he constructed the argument based on this premise. Which, is, quite a falsity.

Notice the "if you do it enough" in my post

Vashtrall1 votes

I inted 0/16 because someone banned my champion. Even the enemy team was trying to ignore me to avoid getting fed. I got two weeks ban. So yeah, you CAN get affected. Insults are NOTHING compared to inting and other things.

justsomeloser3 votes

i have to agree extremely much with the creator of this topic and i still think the punishments are extremely much over the top considering the actions of the community that you have to play with or in most cases just work around. will copy and paste what i wrote to another topic because i want people to read and i want people to think. i also want to support the people who share the opinion of me and the creator of this topic and some others who want things to change so that is game feels like a game again. it certainly does not feel like a game when almost everything is enough to get you punished as if there was no negativity in this game and because of that no reason for the creation of further negativity. that is just hilarious.

i know that this topic is old. but eventhough this topic is old the things i wrote fit into it perfectly and i want to support the opinions of people who are totally ignored and oversadowed by people who only live in the boards and try to defend their trolling/try to present themselves as suprior human beings who have to enforce justice. i am done seeing meaningful comments of people being overshadowed by people who live in the boards and try to defend their trolling/try to present themselves as superior human beings who have to enforce justice. the people who actually should matter are the ones who play the game and try to play it in the way it is supposed to be played and nobody else. nobody else! nobody else!

here comes what i wrote before and i am simply trying to make sure that the opinion of a huge part of the community is represented and i really would appreciate some support as i give support to these people like the one who created this topic as well. it is much to read. but it is simply time to make sure that things change because the punishments for "flaming" are out of control if you look at the things that the community does in the games besides "flaming". i can only repeat that this is a game and people should not need to be nice to everyone who works against them and who they do not know and who they will never see again. now i finally copy and paste the things i mentioned and you go ahead and read and think about the things that should be clear to most people and are clear to some people at least.

justsomeloser4 votes

the problem is that the riot staff for some reason defends the idea that nobody is allowed to ever become frustrated in a video game no matter what the other players do. it is actually insanely pathetic to hold this attitude in a video game with so many players that purposely play against people in their own team and in a game that simply has winners and losers. to punish people for raging in some games in game with winners and losers and insanely many forms of sabotaging players that simply are ignored totally and will never be punished is simply pathetic. i agree that you should punish players for hate speech things because hate speech things do not really have something to do with simply being angry when a player lets you down or a team lets you down.

now people will come and tell me that you are supposed to control your emotions in a game and that you simply do not belong into a game when you are not able to do that. the thing is that this is complete nonsense because every player has a limit. the fact that almost everyone in the community knows that sabotaging is basically not punished at all leads to players becoming frustrated over just wanting to have nice games at some point when they continuously run into players who let them down totally for basically no reason at all. you ignore these things for some games. but nobody ignores these things forever.

there is also another terrible misunderstanding to the idea to simply control your emotions and never show anything negative towards anyone. this is a video game. in a video game you want to have emotions and it is simply impossible to demand every dedicated player to never be negative no matter what happens. i find it hard to believe that the riot staff does not want dedicated players in the game but i have to accept it.

i also got permabanned recently for writing trash team a few times in a game in which i had a team that totally let me down and then blamed me or tried to find excuses for me having a terrible game. people who let others down to have a reason to blame them are actually much worse than people who are just angry because letting people in your team down purposely leads to disadvantages for your team.

i want to make clear that i do not think that writing trash team a few times is simply the correct way to go in such a case. now you could say that i already explained that i deserve to be permabanned because i admitted that the things i wrote are not acceptable. and here comes the part why this is nonsense. if i were doing that in every game that i play in which get treated like this i could totally understand that my actions deserve to be punished. but the thing is that i write things like this in less than 100 games and also in this case i certainly did not write anything similar in the 100 games before this game. i just happened to deal with insanely negative players who enjoyed to sabotage over a really long period of time. it was not even really that this was a game in which i got attacked really much or treated insanely terribly. the team certainly was not a nice team that rather looked for excuses to let other players in the team down than to simply play the game. but i basically never have a nice team because i play alone most of the time and then i simply have to endure people who come together to sabotage me and things like that. it was one long period of time of many in which i had to endure extremely negative players who enjoyed to sabotage. the thing was that i simply was at my limit.

now you will say that i must be a toxic player because i must have happened to have had a 2 week ban before and i would never get a 2 week ban without a good reason. i still do not know for what i got the 2 week ban. the games that were listened there together with my comments do not justify any punishment because i was defending myself without insulting other players at best. i totally stopped insulting players and things like that. but simply defending yourself or someone else is not allowed in this game and asking people to play seriously because the game is not over and there is no need to let everyone down because you still see clear chances to win a game are all things that are not allowed. even making calls and explaining where to place wards in order to get important objectives is not allowed because people will be offended when you tell them what to do eventhough it is only in order to win a game. it is all considered as talking down on others. just giving orders when people are not knowing what to do next is considered as talking down on others. all these things lead to frustration for me. that i am simply not allowed to behave like a normal human being in nothing more than a video game with a really negative community leads to frustration for me.

the thing i am trying to say here simply is not that i am allowed to let my frustration out on everyone all the time. the thing i am saying is that it just happens that players let their frustration out on others at some point in the game when they just encountered enough negative actions of this community and that it is a terrible idea to work against this. this is still a game with winners and losers on top of that. in a game with winners and losers you should not expect everyone to act like he is having discussion about a serious topic with others. why would people act like this in a game? why does everything has to be so pathetically serious in this game? why do people who sabotage basically never get punished on the other side eventhough they cause by far the most frustration? why are emotions so terrible in a game? i think there simply needs to be more empathy for emotions in this game. the games take quite some time. the games can be stressful.

i also do not think permabanning is reasonable at all. permabanning players leads to much more angry players who come back and do not hold back at all anymore. that leads to a even worse community. i also think that this is extremely over the top in cases in which people did not use hate speech. i agree that there is no room for hate speech in a single good community. but a punishment like this is so far over the top that it is just not being able to be defended like it is in my case. if you ban me for having 1 angry game out of more than 100 for example then you basically have to ban 20% of the players of your community because definately basically 20% of the players of your community have 1 angry game out of more than 100. why am i banned and why are others not banned is what you could ask now? i am playing alone and often being blamed and attacked and reported by people who come together to play because i am not a part of them. also i am often demanding players to not sabotage when players sabotage other people and so i often write a few things in the games that i play. and now you think that it does not make sense what i write because if i was not such a terrible person then i would not get punished and so i must be a terrible person. but there is one important last part of information that i want to share and that many of the people like me have in common and that explains quite well how the people like me get punished in the end. IN THE END! IN THE END! i am talking about the number of games played and the insane amount of negativity that had to be endured during all these times and the insane amount of people who abused the report system. there are simply so many games played with people who only look to fight their own team in every possible way who abused the report system that eventually you will get punished for something at some point. and when you get punished you are in a place where every tiny thing gets you punished again. you do not need to attack players. you just need to write a few things in a game that are simply related to winning the game and have someone reporting you. and people who play the game much know that there are always players who are reporting people who they did not like to play with because of misunderstandings or simply mistakes that were made in the game or other things like not getting enough attention in a game eventhough it would not even have been useful and things like that. every tiny thing gets you punished when you got into that place.

we are not all in diamond where people actually know how to work around shared information.

we are not all having the nice atmosphere of being in diamond and having people to work around shared information. most of us get told to "be calm" when we try to be helpful with certain things we write. most of us have to "be calm" instead of writing things that can lead to advantages for the team.

i played far more than 10000 games. many people played even far more than 10000 games. but really much more people did not play even close to as many games as i did. are players like me who need 10000 games to get permabanned for ridiculously small things really so terrible or are players like me who get permabanned after 10000 games for ridiculously small things not quite acceptable for the community compared to all the new people who wish "cencar" and death to families in cryptic ways all the time? the people who wish "cencar" and death to families in cryptic ways that are not noticed have many more games to play than people like me needed to get punished. many people like me are not doing all these things. they still get punished first because of often really questionable punishments in the past. who do you want to get punished first? someone who is new or someone who is just a typical player with a huge amount of games?

would you throw someone like me who is postive and encouraging in at least 50% of the games and meaningufully negative in around 1% of the games into the same category like someone who uses hate speech consistently? would you rather have someone like me who is positive and encouraging in at least 50% of the games and meaningfully negative in around 1% in the game than someone who uses hate speech?

i also want to add that i almost never encountered a player that i wished to be permabanned because i think almost nobody in the game deserves to be permabanned given the state the communty is in.

justsomeloser3 votes

i actually feel the need to add even more to that. i had time to think about the things that i wrote and wanted to use the chance to make them even more transparent. i am sure certain people will no tlike what writing here but i am already their enemy in some way you could say. you could understant that if you knew how often i contacted the support because of this case in the past already before i got punished or when i could not understand why certain players got punished while other players did not get punished.

i wanted to kill 2 arguments that i read all the time and that i think are extremely questionable. these 2 arguments are mainly used by the community to defend the system. i want to make clear that in my opinion the people who defend the system with these arguments are just trying to either defend themselves or presenting themselves to be above the ordinary player who just plays the game because they want to create the image of themselves that they care about justice more than everyone and simply are the better people.

one of these arguments is that the terms of use say that you are not allowed to be attack other players verbally no matter what happens or you will be punished. while it is fine to defend that idea and to not allow players to attack other players verbally there is a huge problem. people who "troll" and sabotage are also not following the terms of use and these people do not get punished. that means that there is created quite some unpunished injustice in the game that should be there. and that leads to people who become frustrated over having to face people in their teams constantly who "troll" and sabotage without having a chance to even defend themselves or being allowed to quit the game so that they will not be affected by this negativity. but they have to endure all the negativity without being protected and are not having a chance to noe be affected. muting will not work. muting only works if players attack you verbally. the idea that people can only attack you with words is simply wrong. the idea that people should not try to convince people to play seriously with words or try to defend themselves when they are attacked by multiple people and for the majority of the games is also simply not acceptable when the community is in such a state. nobody should demand that of someone in the community.

the other thing goes in line with what i just said. often people get punished for defending themselves or trying to convince other players to play seriously. people then say that it is against the rules to attack other players like this. you have a report fuction in this game. you all know the report fuction really well. there is not one point in it that tells you that talking to people in a reasonable way is against the rules. still people act like it is against the rules. people even act like telling people what to do in certain cases is against the rules. that is all nonsense. the people who complain about every comment are simply the same people i mentioned before who think they are above everyone else and nobody should even dare to talk to them or tell them what to do. they make themselves believe that they defend the standards of the community with that while all they do is defending their image that they created for themselves. they make themselves belive that they are the better people who defend justice and for that reason nobody is allowed to tell them what to do and by not allowing anyone that they think they enforce justice and so on. it simply is a circle of massaging their image.

i also never see apologies when someone is unbanned. it does not happen often but there are cases in which people got unbanned. it is always said in a way that implicates that they can be happy that they got this treatment because if they did not deserve it. i do not like this attitude towards the community. when your system is not working correctly and people get punished who should not get punished then you should apolohize to them and tell them to make changes. it does not matter if they did not behave perfectly in every game they played ever. nobody behaves always perfectly and especially in a game it should be even more obvious. that these things happen it means that you made mistakes when you created your system or made changes to it. you are responsible. but instead you put the blame on the community. i personally do not think this is correct.

you simply are not supposed to build justice on the shoulders of injustice. that there are people that need to be unabanned makes it insanely obvious that there are still people who need to get unbanned. i doubt you want to tell me you looked at every case that ever happened and took your time to analyze it. if you want to tell me that then i will simply ignore such a statement because it would be pathetic. it is simply wrong to justify casualties to enforce justice because that implies that there is injustice already. i thought this is clear. it obviously was not clear.

the person who is responsible for this system should start to think about the damage that has been dealt by all these mistakes and should stop putting the blame on the community as if there were no problems. on top of that the person who is in charge of the person who is responsible should start asking questions why there are these mistakes in the system and why these unjustified punishments occur and why there is no responibilty taken. i contacted the support many years ago to talk about these problems in the system. many years later the problems in this system did not change and i needed a really huge amount of messages to get told by the support to not discuss the problems with the support and instead go to the boards. i contacted the support because i did not want to talk publicly about all this because i was sure things will change and people will listen and people will think. but here i am in the boards now talking about all this publicly eventhough i do not care about the opinions of people who are not playing the game and rather want to comment here because they think they know it all better. i wanted to address my concerns to the people who matter but obviously the people i talked to did not want to listen.

justsomeloser3 votes

i also want to mention the example with a group of people playing basketball that was made by riot tantram. i want to address that example. if you are in a group of people and tell "kys" to someone you would get punished was what was told there if i remember correctly. it would have been nice if riot tantram could have looked at it from more than just a single point of view. besides the fact that i absolutely doubt that anyone would take you seriously for telling "kys" i obviously agree that usually that should not be said. but everyone who does sports with friends and knows how it is when someone in the team is totally not motivated and does not really try will agree that in most cases you would exclude that player from the game if he/she does not apologize and he/she does not change the attitude and starts playing seriously with the friends again. if you compare that example of basketball to league then you will realize that in league you do not have the possibility to exclude someone of your team or even have the chance that someone apologizes to your team. it is definately not comparable to sports in that way because there the people who manage the situation are the people who play the game. also the idea that someone is not motivated to be a useful part of the team is not mentioned because that would lead to trouble for explaining how the system works. and so also that people would get frustrated and angry and certainly say not so nice things about that person who is not having a good attitude after some time is not entertained because it would also cause trouble for explaining the system and justifying the idea that nobody will usually react to certain actions who is not a nice person. as you can see there are many possibilities that all work together that are not entertained and are treated as if they have nothing to do with eachother for reasons i do not want to understand. that actions lead to reactions after some time is not a secret and the person who is in charge of this all should question why this is the base to start from for enforcing justice. the game is played by humans. humans can become frustrated and angry. there is still time to accept that and take care of people who are really a problem and not just average people who like to play the game how it is supposed to be played.

i wrote enough.

i doubt i can change anything because i wrote all these things often enough in the past already and i do not see a good future for the game if things continue like they are at the moment. more players will be come frustrated. more frustrated players will be punished. the players who cause this will still be protected and will still feel the impact of their actions when they sabotage and report others. and they will report others because that is a part of their actions that make them feel so powerful. and they actually are powerful. it is a circle and it will continue to be like this as long as you listen to the people who do not even play the game and are only found here to write messages about how good everything is.

Glu10Sensitivity2 votes

According to Tantram, you can be punished if you are mildly toxic a lot. You can be punished for hyper toxic a few times or mildly toxic many times. It's a two fold thing.

Noxus Born2 votes

I'm gonna point out some things that actually bug me on League atm. The whole point of this post is the unfairness (I qualify it as unfairness) between what gets a person banned and what doesn't, per example: If someone trolls/ints in a game I'm 99% sure that at least 1 team mate will flame or say something that they don't mean just because that person is trolling/inting. Imagine this happening in Normal games where people like me spend most of their time during the pre-season and getting at least 2 or 3 players like this every game... That means at least 20mins of my time spent playing a game that will be unplayable because someone of my team decided not to play or feed for whatever reasons. Why can't I point out that they're being useless or acting stupid? Why can they do it freely and barely getting any punishments? It's so rare to get a player report feedback when I report someone for inting or trolling nowadays.

I'm not defending any type of hard flame or anything like that... I'm just somewhat mad that someone can play with my time and feed a whole team and nothing happening to them while I can lose my temperament once and get banned for 14 days or even permabanned. Not to mention that the player honor level is determined by other players who can easily report you if you missplay or do something wrong (that pisses them off in game).

scazzman2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Young Rato,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=dlQs2593,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2017-12-05T00:59:38.348+0000)

I'm gonna point out some things that actually bug me on League atm. The whole point of this post is the unfairness (I qualify it as unfairness) between what gets a person banned and what doesn't, per example: If someone trolls/ints in a game I'm 99% sure that at least 1 team mate will flame or say something that they don't mean just because that person is trolling/inting. Imagine this happening in Normal games where people like me spend most of their time during the pre-season and getting at least 2 or 3 players like this every game... That means at least 20mins of my time spent playing a game that will be unplayable because someone of my team decided not to play or feed for whatever reasons. Why can't I point out that they're being useless or acting stupid? Why can they do it freely and barely getting any punishments? It's so rare to get a player report feedback when I report someone for inting or trolling nowadays.

I'm not defending any type of hard flame or anything like that... I'm just somewhat mad that someone can play with my time and feed a whole team and nothing happening to them while I can lose my temperament once and get banned for 14 days or even permabanned. Not to mention that the player honor level is determined by other players who can easily report you if you missplay or do something wrong (that pisses them off in game).

also. a lot of the time, the one doing the reporting is the inter

hsojbabe1 votes

Well, if a player is making you feel uncomfortable you can just mute them & there pings. If you feel like they are trolling just report them after game with a couple of sentences as to why you reported them (it works trust me). If there is a TROLL in the Q just dodge. Its better to MAYBE get a 5 min Q penalty than a 15 min game + with a mega troll. I understand its annoying to be in a team where players hardly communicate but its best to be humble and kind and say stuff like "nice job" whenever they get a kill. Being positive will cause the players to talk more, resulting in more wins. Even if you can not be positive, AVOID being negative/salty/toxic because that will make you and your teammates play poorly. Also realize League of Legends is just a game. I personally am stuck in bronze, but I am still having fun playing the game.

YerroFever1 votes

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currently, ANY negative chat will get you punished if you do it enough, even as minor as "shut up" or calling someone bad. leading to chat restrictions and an eventual permaban for people who refuse to conform. it's done by an automated AI. that refuses to acknowledge context or provocation. however, the AI is absolutely horrid at catching negativity outside of chat or hardcore intentional feeding "we're talking like 6 tears and 30+ deaths" and manual reviews are few and far between. I've seen videos of people going 400+ games of trolling without getting banned, "looking at you TahmKench Anivia duo"

I don't think this is necessarily true. I haven't seen anyone on the forums get punished for telling someone to shut up. Calling someone bad is different and aren't on the same level of chat with people. Depending on the context, shut up is an attempt to quell an argument, not the most diplomatic and cooperative way to quell an argument, but still one. Telling someone that they're bad is in no way an attempt to calm a situation down. It's an instigator and aggravates the situation.

The instant feedback system isn't perfect but they're reprogramming it and expanding its detection algorithms. Stealth trolling is hard to distinguish from poor play because you have to compare their normal games to their troll games. That's going to require more time and effort into the programming of the system.

this has created a subculture of trolls who will attempt to bait other players into getting reported by using passive aggressive, but "non offensive" chat. "soft inting" deliberately banning peoples champs, ping spamming, holding surrender votes hostage, or any number of ways to troll without being detected. especially since people get a popup if their report triggered a punishment.

This is true that the feedback system has created a stealth trolls and bait trolls. However, look at how far the player behavior has come from season 1? I much prefer this climate over when I first started playing.

riot claims only 5% of the playerbase is negative enough to earn a punishment. based on my personal experience this number should actually be much higher, and thats simply how many actually "get caught" why? because people have simply taken it out of chat, and have resorted to griefing through gameplay. which is not only harder to detect. but is more disruptive, and can't simply be muted.

Honestly, based on my personal experience, I rarely run into jerks in game now compared to when I first started playing the game.

in addition, riot has "likely unintentionally garnered among neutral players and competitive players a fear of the chatbox and a "/mute all mentality." even with the new honor system. more people would rather /mute all then try and communicate. this creates yet another source of frustration for players trying to climb. people fail to realize how mind numbingly tilting it is to have your chat flat out ignored. because you arent sure why theyre ignoring you. and in cases of players who have had run ins with the punishment system, can create "report paranoia" "oh god. he muted me. im going to get reported and probably banned again" this leads to frustration, and frustration leads to negative chat.

I don't fear chatting with my teammates because I don't try to make them rage. I do try to be constructive and I do try to be cooperative. If they cannot be cooperative, there's nothing I can do about it and just move on. If they don't take the advice then so be it. There's no reason to poke and prod and annoy people into capitulating to your opinion.

ALSO. another side effect, is that players who ARE prone to negative chat are FORCED to "bottle up" their feelings. to avoid getting reported. this ends up leading to less frequent, but more severe chat toxicity. as A. when people get sick of it. they tend to just explode. and when they realize they're getting reported anyway. they simply go full george carlin.

There's a thing called constructive use of negative emotions. If you have to be awful to someone else to make yourself feel better, you need to look at yourself and figure shit out.

Sorin Alucard1 votes

Foreword: Trolls suck. Mute/Report them and don't be surprised if you can't win the round they trolled. Don't worry, there will be more League games after. If you did it right the game they ruined for you will be tracked. Losing games to trolls (especially rank) is annoying af and frustrating, but lowering yourself in response won't fix anything.

LOL you should only fear use of chat if you aren't using it correctly. You should only fear reports if you actually did something wrong. People can report you every single game and if you haven't done anything to warrant them you won't get punished.

So, use your chat to call plays or give props to your allies. Any other use is waste of time. You have a mute for players who refuse to understand this. Any misuse risks chat restriction (whining about surrender, whining about game being over/impossible, whining about allies, passive-aggressive comments, insults, calling for reports, calling out trolls etc). The chat wasn't made to be your personal venting tool XD

You should be using pings more than chat anyway. You have plenty of variety for game comms there.

Its YOUR FAULT if you get trolled and decided to baby rage in chat about it. If you know its easier to catch chat offenses, why would you chat offend? Just report the players (in detail) hit your mute and go about your day. Don't feed trolls by responding to their trolling the way they want you to. Don't tell them you're muting them. When they all demand a report of you in chat you only say something like "Don't deserve a report, but ok", then YOU report them under negative behavior. Mention they called for reports, report the guy for afk, and if they trolled tell how in detail (don't just type "they trolled"). Don't call for reports back, don't insult them or worry about defending yourself. Mute and play then report after if you have to.

You only need to check a category for chat logs to be checked, but you gotta give reason for further investigation if they were actually trolling. There are plenty of "false flag" reports where salty players are just trying to get others in trouble, so you need to be specific about what they did to warrant them manually checking the game.

Lastly, a final reality check: Your feelings bottled or not bottled are no one else's responsibility to deal with. Like IDGAF if you're prone to raging or crying, no one got on League to deal with your feelings. If you explode in chat because you don't have self-control no one feels sorry for you. We, the players just trying to play, will report your flaming and the troll that made you do so with equal impunity. It just so happens raging in chat gets you banned faster because it requires less man power to check how many times you said "kys" this week than to see if you were throwing on purpose.

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