I have been thinking about the attitude of the PBM board...

TheSequelsRBad·Sep 5, 2016·9 votes·1,632 views

And I wonder if on the whole we have the wrong attitude towards people who come here with questions on their ban.

I have read this board since Riot set it up, and I think it would be impossible to deny that the general attitude of those active here is a sense of "Oh, good, you got banned! Now let me rub it in your face how bad you should feel." And to be fair to you all, I have often done the same thing. It is so easy when someone comes ranting about how much they hate Riot and their "pathetic ban system" to include all those who have been punished into the same class of individuals rightly deserving of ridicule.

However, many people who come here, I believe can be helped, and are not deserving of further condemnation and ridicule, but advice on how to avoid further punishments, and on how to improve their behavior, as well as descriptions of what is and isn't allowed.

Maybe I am making a huge deal out of nothing, but I have seen people genuinely upset about their ban, encountering a passively aggressive hostile attitude, which often devolves into argument and name calling.

TL;DR: I think PBM is a tad to passive aggressive towards people asking help, and instead of helping them, enjoy themselves at the punished players expense. I am curious what y'all think about what I said, and would love to get some conversation on the subject going below. Thanks for reading.

88 Comments

ModWuksSep 5, 20164 votes

I've noticed a bit of this too, and I wrote a quick post about it a while back.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/W5vBiAeW-my-approach-to-player-behavior-moderation-threads

It's not just you, don't worry :p

KarunamonSep 5, 20164 votes

I'm probably the single guiltiest party here...

Here's the thing though - most of the folks that post here aren't because they just got a small chat restriction, they were either perma'd or are right next to being perma'd. Reforming those people? Doesn't work. If it worked, they'd have learned to control themselves behind the keyboard long before the hammer got dropped and at some point among their 3 reform cards.

I notice most of the posts follow a template:

Title: (x day chat restriction/banned/riot sux)

I was doing X Y Z, yada yada lorem ipsum yeah I was being toxic as hell at my jungler but yada yada dolor sit amet. In conclusion I don't deserve to be banned. Rito pls.

The player recognizes what they did wrong but is taking no steps to change it. Either they don't feel it's a big deal, or they don't care.

If those players get the perma, so much better for the rest of the community. They shouldn't come here looking for sympathy when they fucked up, they know they fucked up, and can exactly explain how and why they fucked up.

TheSequelsRBadSep 5, 20163 votes

You know, and I really wish I could find this thread, it was a while ago, but someone got perma banned and was complaining on here, everyone was taunting him, but I said he should make a new account, gave him some advice on avoiding getting angry and raging. And about 3 months later, he responds to me, saying he made a new account, focused on playing better and not blaming teammates, and that he made it out of bronze, which he hadn't done before, and hasn't been punished since. He thanked me for being the only one to try to help him.

I am not saying this to brag, but to show that people can mature and follow the rules, even after a perma ban,

KarunamonSep 5, 20163 votes

That's.. incredibly heartening to hear. I didn't think it was possible, to be honest.

What kind of advice did you give him?

TheSequelsRBadSep 5, 20162 votes

Omg took me like 10 minutes of searching through my history to find, but here is the thread.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/AQ9REiic-banned-permanently

Ward BaronSep 5, 20164 votes

the reason why their system is totally pathetic is because their way of dealing with chat made this entire game a more hostile, unfriendly game. It created this entire wave of players who are so beaten down with chat restrictions/bans they simply don't talk and learn to become passive aggressive and ruin games in a far, far worse way then someone just saying "you suck". These are mostly people who used to love this game, are invested and have hope this game will be good again. It won't. It took me awhile to accept this but I did and moved on, there is just so much wrong with what this game once was and what it is now. Tencent runs this and it will never be good again.

I can assure you I am invested in this game, I have 690 skins the last time I updated it. http://www.elophant.com/league-of-legends/summoner/na/48100476/skins If you love the game still great but if you aren't happy I really suggest you try and move on.

ModPrandineSep 5, 20162 votes

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the reason why their system is totally pathetic is because their way of dealing with chat made this entire game a more hostile, unfriendly game. It created this entire wave of players who are so beaten down with chat restrictions/bans they simply don't talk and learn to become passive aggressive and ruin games in a far, far worse way then someone just saying "you suck". These are mostly people who used to love this game, are invested and have hope this game will be good again. It won't. It took me awhile to accept this but I did and moved on, there is just so much wrong with what this game once was and what it is now. Tencent runs this and it will never be good again.

I can assure you I am invested in this game, I have 690 skins the last time I updated it. http://www.elophant.com/league-of-legends/summoner/na/48100476/skins If you love the game still great but if you aren't happy I really suggest you try and move on.

Respectfully I disagree. I think the problem is more due to the fact that allot of these people who are getting punished for chat related offenses are so used to playing other games where they can just say whatever they want with no consequences. When they come here and find out that they can't get away with behaving poorly they get mad as they're either unwilling or unable to learn how to interact with others in a more neutral or positive manner and often resort to blaming everyone and everything but themselves because of it.

Not everyone is like this though, and people can definitely change if they want to, hence why Riot prioritizes reform first over just straight out banning right away if at all possible. If more people would just be more willing to learn how to interact with others in ways that doesn't make them come off as a verbally abusive jerk then they may just find out that they'll be able to enjoy the game more without fear of getting punished for their own misbehavior.

Ward BaronSep 5, 20162 votes

chat never used to be so strict and it was back when everyone had the most fun. You can go watch old imaqtpie, he used to have so much fun but now his chat is totally different. Do what blizzard does, they just mute you and move on, or but more responsibility on the players who are so easily offended to just mute and move on. Even let players turn off chat but honestly none of this matters the point this game is at now.

ModPrandineSep 5, 20161 votes

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chat never used to be so strict and it was back when everyone had the most fun. You can go watch old imaqtpie, he used to have so much fun but now his chat is totally different. Do what blizzard does, they just mute you and move on, or but more responsibility on the players who are so easily offended to just mute and move on. Even let players turn off chat but honestly none of this matters the point this game is at now.

Fun is subjective. I've been around the boards for a long time and from what I've seen the "chat wasn't so strict" time has gotten mixed reviews and results. Usually the people promoting and praising it are the ones who want to act however they want with no consequences, while the ones shutting it down are the ones who think that it's good that players are being held more accountable for their behavior now and/or say that that time was the most toxic time.

Also, mute=/=get out of jail free card. This argument is used very often by banned troll ragers who expect people to just put up with their own poor behavior rather than not display that behavior themselves. If I'm forced to mute you then you've already created a negative experience for me in the game. If you're unable or unwilling to interact with others in a neutral or positive manner then multiplayer online games are just simply not for you. From the Tribunal FAQ:

Why is verbal abuse punishable if there is a mute button/language filter? Players shouldn’t need to rely on features like the mute button or language filter to engage with other players in positive ways. When a player verbally abuses another player and forces him to use the mute button, they have already created a negative experience for that player.

scazzmanSep 5, 20163 votes

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Fun is subjective. I've been around the boards for a long time and from what I've seen the "chat wasn't so strict" time has gotten mixed results. Usually the people promoting and praising it are the ones who want to act however they want with no consequences, while the ones shutting it down are the ones who think that it's good that players are being held more accountable for their behavior now and/or say that that time was the most toxic time.

Also, mute=/=get out of jail free card. This argument is used very often by banned troll ragers who expect people to just put up with their own poor behavior rather than not display that behavior themselves. If I'm forced to mute you then you've already created a negative experience for me in the game. If you're unable or unwilling to interact with others in a neutral or positive manner then multiplayer online games are just simply not for you. From the Tribunal FAQ: Players shouldn’t need to rely on features like the mute button or language filter to engage with other players in positive ways. When a player verbally abuses another player and forces him to use the mute button, they have already created a negative experience for that player.

im on the fence about this. on one hand. yes. people shouldnt be assholes. on the other hand. the mute button DOES exist. and for some people, the issue isn't "i want to be toxic" it's "i dont want to be toxic but i can't stop" and "riot won't let me disable my own chat"

Ward BaronSep 8, 20162 votes

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Fun is subjective. I've been around the boards for a long time and from what I've seen the "chat wasn't so strict" time has gotten mixed reviews and results. Usually the people promoting and praising it are the ones who want to act however they want with no consequences, while the ones shutting it down are the ones who think that it's good that players are being held more accountable for their behavior now and/or say that that time was the most toxic time.

Also, mute=/=get out of jail free card. This argument is used very often by banned troll ragers who expect people to just put up with their own poor behavior rather than not display that behavior themselves. If I'm forced to mute you then you've already created a negative experience for me in the game. If you're unable or unwilling to interact with others in a neutral or positive manner then multiplayer online games are just simply not for you. From the Tribunal FAQ: Players shouldn’t need to rely on features like the mute button or language filter to engage with other players in positive ways. When a player verbally abuses another player and forces him to use the mute button, they have already created a negative experience for that player.

But you don't have to say a single word now and are able to ruin others games more then ever since they pushed this game so team focused. If you are being a person who refuses to listen playing like an arse in ranked you are taking another players ELO. In the past if you were good you could overcome these types of players and carry games. It's nothing like it used to be and because of that these types of players put the hyper competitive players in a horrible life ruining experience and it can be game after game. You don't live in a bubble and you go out side right? Do you have a magic wand that silences people who call you out when you run onto the court grab the basketball and score on your own team? It's an esport, well it was and in the real word you don't have some life bouncer around you because you are hypersensitive.

Honestly I don't care what goes on anymore because I stopped playing but I've seen first hand all the DMG done by Lyte's ways, making everyone start calling everything toxic, fun sucked out of this game and turned into some sad state of ENDLESS crybabies, just it never ends with how insanely sensitive you are supposed to deal with people now in this video game.

And I said do what Blizzard does, mute the players account, just don't let them talk if you won't teach the hypersensitive group how to use the mute button.

I'm sure EVERY player who has been banned for chat could of been avoid and stopped their evolution of becoming even more irritated by this system if Riot just simply MUTED their account.

There is No reason why they need to ban accounts if they just PERMA mute if it's So so so so bad.

I really think perma banned players for chat should all get their accounts back and given a perma chat ban. Then nobody can tell you "git gud" and you have to cry the rest of the night.

RedTaoSep 6, 20162 votes

Do what blizzard does, they just mute you and move on, or but more responsibility on the players who are so easily offended to just mute and move on.

That's the way its supposed to be. As it stands now, there's no incentive for anyone to mute anyone. All they do is argue with people, continue to get offended by other players and report when the match is over. Unless Riot makes it clear that the way to end toxicity effecting you is to use the mute button, there will always be toxicity in LoL until it happens.

Riot's "Toxic player only find other ways to ruin peoples games when they're muted" is BS. At least Blizzard took away all the things people do to grief you. AFK, fixed. Feeding, fixed that too. What's left? Fix them as you find them, dont just do punish people without fixing the things they're doing so they're still an option for genuine toxic players to use. Blizzard will also let you be able to talk to friends on your friends list. Why Riot wont do this, I dont know. It seems like a good idea considering Blizzards toxicity issue is NOTHING compared to LoLs

RedTaoSep 6, 20162 votes

Ok... Give me a chat log that shows what correct behavior looks like and I'll use that to change my behavior. It'll be more than what Riot and the rest of the community has done to help me when this is all i need.

Im willing to change my behavior, just show me what the correct behavior looks like. The summoners code doesnt' explain it to me, "Dont be a jerk" isn't working either, show me what right looks like. I dont know what right looks like, show me what it looks like please.

MeilinIISep 6, 20162 votes

There's many ways to act correctly just as there's many ways to be a dick. The essence of the summoner code is "don't be an asshole" and if someone has a hard time understanding that, that's a problem they have bigger issues in their future than a ban.

RedTaoSep 6, 20161 votes

That's the thing. I don't act like a d**k. I dont act like a jerk to others. You can see my logs each time I was punished. I went from disagreeing with people to flat out 100% unacceptable toxicity.

I dont need examples of "ways to act correctly". I just need one. Show me just one log that is correct behavior and that's all I need to figure out what I need to behave as. Otherwise Im left to continue acting self-loating, pessimistic, pitiful person in game that apoligizes for everything and says we're going to lose because of me... This is what Riot is telling me is correct behavior and reformed me for it... I that I'm stupid (especially where the summoners code is concerned) but I think everyone can agree that this is 100% toxic behavior. So why this is within the rules of the summoners code, I dont know. But I dont want to act like this for another 7+ months.

KarunamonSep 6, 20161 votes

Don't insult your teammates at all, ever
Don't flame your teammates when they screw up or play something off meta
Don't gloat, including "gg ez" and all such variants

Keep those in mind, and you are immune from getting chat banned.

RedTaoSep 6, 20162 votes

I've followed those 3 points. I've still gotten punished. Riot likes to add rules and bend them to match whatever reason they feel like.

So please, again. Show me what Right looks like. Provide a log that shows what it looks like. Because saying the rules does not tell me what right is when Riot can add/interpret rules into whatever they like for it to be.

ItankyouSep 5, 20163 votes

Here's what I do, I honour afkers and int feeders. Then, I report those who threaten to report the afkers and int feeders. I get assists 24/7 from riots ban system. Is there a problem with that? I hate this reporting culture and wish that homophobia and racism were instant perma bans and other forms of toxicity received perma chat bans. Everyone is bitchin about the same garbage on these forums day in and day out and they get the same 'you're responsible for your own behaviour' bullshit and then they feel bad about it so they enter a game and troll some more.

This game is more fun when everyone stops their 12 yr old bitchin. Honestly, banning for toxicity creates troll smurf accounts which creates toxicity and the cycle of life and death continues Nasus

PS. Hire me riot

KarunamonSep 5, 20164 votes

I hate this reporting culture and wish that homophobia and racism were instant perma bans and other forms of toxicity received perma chat bans.

How, pray tell, is Riot supposed to know who's a toxic player without a reporting system?

Not that I think for a moment you're doing this in good faith, especially if you honor AFKing and IFing.

ItankyouSep 5, 20161 votes

I never said there shouldn't be a reporting system? I just hate how everyone reports everyone every game.

RedTaoSep 6, 20163 votes

All I've asked for from Riot is an example logs to show me what right looks like. 7 months later they still have given me nothing but "You've been declared reformed (Even though you changed nothing in your behavior) but if you dont change something we're going to permaban you"

I've asked for help here, they all say "Read the summoners Code", I say and show how it's too vague to paint the picture of what right looks like, im called stupid for not understanding, and my question doesn't get answered.

Just have to face it. Noone, Riot or the Community, has any intentions of helping players get any better. It's just too much work for them even if all they need is a chat log to base their behavior off of.

MeilinIISep 6, 20161 votes

The Summoner's Code is easy to understand. What part of it isn't clear to you?

RedTaoSep 6, 20162 votes

All of it. As I've said, it's so open to interpretation that my behavior fit the requirements of the summoners code yet when interpreted in a different way it was not. No matter how people explain it to me, it makes no sense why there are different ways to interpret it depending on how you want it to mean.

I need black and white, This is good/ that is bad rules. The summoners code does not help me understand what's acceptable and what's not. Especially since my now 100% toxic behavior was deemed acceptable by Riot's standards and reformed me for it. I know that Im now a toxic player... I just dont see how it matches the summoners code in ANY interpretation of it.

StarTorchedSep 6, 20162 votes

If you give me your chat log I can maybe tell you what's wrong? But the way I see it the general rules are : Don't curse Don't use slurs Try to be positive. Be polite when saying why or why you aren't doing something.

Worst comes to worst do /mute all and just ping all game. I'm sorry that you are having a difficult time. But honestly if you are cursing a lot even to yourself it might come off as you are raging and people might take offense to certain words I guess? Idk.

TheSequelsRBadSep 6, 20161 votes

You can not be banned for cursing, only if you curse at other people.

StarTorchedSep 6, 20161 votes

I mean, but if you want to be on the safe side.

RedTaoSep 6, 20161 votes

I could give you them, but there's an issue with saying what's wrong with them. The issue is that Riot temp-banned me for the behavior in the logs, I continued the exact same behavior for the past 7 months straight, and they reformed me for changing nothing in my behavior at all.

My behavior in game consists of badmouthing myself all game, apoligizing for everything whether it's my fault or not, and saying that we're going to lose and it's all my fault.

That's it. That's a generallization of every chat I've had for the past 7 months. I was temp banned for it, I was reformed by it, and to this day they're saying it's acceptable behavior... Im a stupid person, I hear this every game and by people here, but I'm still fairly certain that this is by no means good behavior. But it's what I have to work with since Riot changed their minds about my behavior and now endorse pure toxic behavior.

I tried muting people and saying nothing. It still resulted in me getting reported in almost every game. (When you have lots of reports filed against you, you get a notice that you're reported in games you've been reported) I dont curse at people, I don't badmouth others, I don't go out of my way to upset anyone, anyone who does get upset, I ask to mute me since I can't say anything else other than what Riot has deemed acceptable from me. If this is not what Riot had in mind, they had 7 months to make it clear what they deem is correct. Until then, this is the only way I can behave.

TheSequelsRBadSep 6, 20163 votes

Basically, the rules of League of Legends are, as follows:

Don't intentionally hurt your team's chances to win.

Don't use hate speech in any context.

Don't insult, or belittle other players skill or ability.

Don't fight fire with fire, you can't respond to ragers with equal anger.

Don't call for reports of someone you don't like, it is seen as escalating the conflict.

And that is pretty much it. The long and short of it is, you get banned by being a jerk, so don't be a jerk.

RedTaoSep 6, 20162 votes

I've done all these. I was still punished. They decided to add rules that were not written to punish me despite Lyte already saying in a board thread that behavior I was doing was acceptable and not punishment-worthy.

In my first punishment, i was just disagreeable. People tell me to do something, i know it's not going to work and tell them no, and I'm punished for not cooperating. Now im badmouthing myself, apoligizing for everything and saying we're going to lose and it's all my fault in every single game for the past 13 months.... And Riot reformed me for it...

I know perfectly well my behavior in game now is 100% toxic. But I cant act any other way because every other way seems to be a reportable thing since no matter what my intent was for the comment, it can be interpreted as me being a jerk. Yet being nothing but self-loathing, pessimistic and miserable is considered acceptable behavior for Riot considering it breaks at least half of the rules you listed... I dont get it... I just dont.

This is why I need something to show me what right looks like. The rules does not help me when the behavior they're saying is acceptable breaks multiple rules that should be common sense.

So again... if you could provide logs that shows what right behavior looks like, I would appreciate it. Riot wont show me any and I clearly dont know what it looks like. Please help.

TheSequelsRBadSep 6, 20163 votes

An ideal set of chat logs doesn't exist, I am sorry, but right behavior in League is simply avoiding wrong behavior.

Perhaps if you could show me you chatlogs, I could draw examples by pointing out what got you punished.

RedTaoSep 6, 20162 votes

Surely there's 1 out there. How many players here in these forums keep saying "I've never been punished once in my X amount of years I've played this game". Out of the countless players who've said these things, is there not one log from the hundreds of thousands of games these players played that displays good behavior that I can model my behavior after?

If there's no logs that these upstanding players have displayed nothing but good behavior, then why bother saying there's such a thing as good behavior? Even if it's a made up one, if it's approved by Riot saying that it's a good example of good behavior and would not result in punishment, then that's what Im looking for. I've asked for Riot to give me something to model my behavior from, but they just wont work with me. It could just be because I'm me, but I still need this if I'm going to make any worthwhile progress. Otherwise im just waiting to be permabanned. All that happens after that is that I continue the same behavior that they let me get away with for the past 13 months. That's a long time to be ruining players games with what I've been saying. I dont want to keep saying these things, but it's all I have to work with.

TheSequelsRBadSep 7, 20162 votes

You know, I am going to do my best to help you, I am here going to write out a rough approximation of my chat from game to game. I will try to put a general sense of what is acceptable to say. Admittedly, I have no official backing for Riot here, but I have a good sense of what is allowed, and what isn't. And I have never been banned. So here goes, this is the best I can do for you.

partypanda12: Gl hf partypanda12: Jungler, can you gank top early? If I can get ahead I can snowball hard. partypanda12: Care mid. partypanda12: tp up partypanda12: bot, ward here, I will tp when they push partypanda12: gj partypanda12: leona, can you get a aegis? they are all ap partypanda12: Infernal drake up, we need that partypanda12: defend partypanda12: don't fight partypanda12: nice one partypanda12: push mid partypanda12: bait baron partypanda12: that MF ult wrecked us... partypanda12: leona and vayne, please stop flaming, we can win this 100% partypanda12: they at elder group up partypanda12: GJ TEAM partypanda12: now push partypanda12: gj, heal up partypanda12: care tp down partypanda12: Gnar ult down, partypanda12: i killed xin, quick baron partypanda12: we can end partypanda12: gg wp

RedTaoSep 7, 20162 votes

Ok. This is what im looking for. Now I just need one Rioter to give their thumbs up on it and I can finally start changing my behavior for the better.

Thank you for providing this for me. If you woulnd't mind helping me get Riot to approve this, it would be greatly appreaciated. They dont answer my tickets anymore. I still have tickets from a week ago that they just never opened, so I dont think I can get it done on my side.

If you could send this via support ticket and get them to say "Yes, this is what we want to see" then that's all I require.

Im sorry if this is an inconvenience, but I need this to be able to act.

TheSequelsRBadSep 7, 20163 votes

Honestly, I don't really feel like chasing Rioters around the internet trying to get them to say these made-up chat logs are not bannable, sorry.

However, I say things like this in almost every game I play, and I haven't been punished in 6 years of playing, so I think it is pretty clear that this is not bannable.

I try to use chat for:

Asking for help.
Congratulation success.
Trying to direct team strategy.
Calling summoner spell and ult usage.
Trying to deescalate conflict, and calm down ruffled feathers.

I tried to include these things in my chat logs, follow these goals in chat, show respect to all players in a spirit of calmness, and you will not be banned. GL.

Joltv2Sep 9, 20161 votes

Maybe ask Riot for a chat ban? Can't flame with that.

RedTaoSep 12, 20161 votes

Ive asked them multiple times. They wont do it unless its strictly for a punishment. I can provide the tickets showing them saying they wont do it if you need them.

Joltv2Sep 17, 20161 votes

I believe ya. When it comes to stupidity, Riot knows no bounds.

Busty DemonessSep 7, 20162 votes

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Surely there's 1 out there. How many players here in these forums keep saying "I've never been punished once in my X amount of years I've played this game". Out of the countless players who've said these things, is there not one log from the hundreds of thousands of games these players played that displays good behavior that I can model my behavior after?

If there's no logs that these upstanding players have displayed nothing but good behavior, then why bother saying there's such a thing as good behavior? Even if it's a made up one, if it's approved by Riot saying that it's a good example of good behavior and would not result in punishment, then that's what Im looking for. I've asked for Riot to give me something to model my behavior from, but they just wont work with me. It could just be because I'm me, but I still need this if I'm going to make any worthwhile progress. Otherwise im just waiting to be permabanned. All that happens after that is that I continue the same behavior that they let me get away with for the past 13 months. That's a long time to be ruining players games with what I've been saying. I dont want to keep saying these things, but it's all I have to work with.

Since most of the community is behaved enough to not warrant regular punishment, Riot uses examples of what's not acceptable (using logs from punished players) as a means to show what you can avoid.

Think of it more as a warning sign, rather than a model.

The thing about punishments is that you usually need to have REGULAR bad behavior or super extreme bad behavior in order to get it.

RedTaoSep 12, 20161 votes

This does not help me. I do nothing but ruin peoples game multiple times every day for the past 7 months now. Riot will not do anything because it's considered acceptable behavior. I do nothing but badmouth myself, say we're going to lose, that everything is my fault and apolgiize for everything. I have players constantly asking everyone to report me for this, yet nothing happens. By all means, this is genuine toxic behavior, but Riot says it's ok. Why? I dont know. I don't want to keep acting like this.

I can't change my behavior because even though it's been 7 months since my temp ban, they're still saying im going to be permabanned. There's too much risk in trying to figure it out myself now. This is why I need a log showing what right looks like. I've tried using everything else Riot has available and they failed to show me how I should behave. Why is my current behavior considered acceptable when everyone else is saying it's not? I've been exhibiting bad behavior for 13-14 months straight. By all means they have what they need to permaban me.

Their "warning signs" does not help me when they ignore my negative behavior and say that it's acceptable. It's hypocritical and encourages genuine toxic behavior by their need of protecting it.

Busty DemonessSep 12, 20161 votes

Then consider yourself thankful that most players are too lazy to actually report you.

RedTaoSep 13, 20161 votes

Which brings me back to what Riot has said. They say it's "YOUR" fault that toxic players like me exist.

So congrats. By being part of the community, you're now one of ones contributing to the existance of toxic players... Thank you for not reporting me I suppose... I don't want toxicity to exist as much as you do, but I also want players to stop saying to report me for being crap at the game.

We cant get what we want I suppose... Im sorry.

Busty DemonessSep 13, 20161 votes

I said "most players are too lazy to report you".

I didn't say I was one of them.

We all have our off days (myself included) where we end up blowing steam at some random person who doesn't deserve it. Usually a single warning is enough to remind us that we need to calm down and stop playing sometimes.

RedTaoSep 13, 20161 votes

You are part of the community. You have just as much ability as any other player in the entire player-base to submit a ticket showing im breaking any rule established by Riot. Yet you dont.

So yes, you are also held responsible for why players like me run free. You've seen my behaivor first hand, both here and the logs provided that my behavior is, by all means, against the summoners code.

We all have off days, this is true. But the behavior in which you've seen has been a constant, worsening thing that's been continuing for the past 13-14 months now. You have everything you need to get me permabanned, yet you do nothing. So yes, you are just as responsible for toxic behavior still running rampant in the game as I am. Me for finding one in which Riot will do nothing to remedy and you for saying nothing.

Im sorry if this offends you. I did not want to put you on the spotlight. But if LoL genuienly wants an end to toxicity, they need to be adament in what they want to see in their games. Not wishy-washy about it. Either you want to see people like me in your game or you dont. the middle ground between these 2 points is where the most toxic players you meet lay because you, the community, wont do anything as long as they're there.

Busty DemonessSep 13, 20161 votes

Believe me, I send those reports in every time I feel it's necessary (which has been often in these more recent seasons).

I can't do it alone, though. And that's the problem.

RedTaoSep 13, 20161 votes

That is indeed the issue. People don't make it clear that toxic behavior is unacceptable. Because of this, Toxic behavior will never leave LoL. As long as there's that middle ground that I said exists because of this, toxic players will always have a safe haven made by the players/Riot.

TeslynSep 13, 20162 votes

you seem to not read them much. the majority of people asking why they have been banned permanently have been chat, 14 day banned prior to perma. it is honestly a small % of the actually player base. Although they do take up the majority in one board.

here are some things that you see here.

"i was defending myself" "the other person should be reported for being toxic"

they show chat logs 90% of them are incomplete and edited. you will see the line "/all chat 'Report player so and so for being toxic'"

its a mix of people on different levels of severity, but most have been warned prior to the actual punishment.

I believe you that they can be helped. I believe they should accept their punishment and move on.

here is how to help them. Let them make another account and try again. if that one gets banned too, speaking form the heart man, its them.

There is a very vocal group of entitled people that create their own narrative on how a company that they dont work for should run and handle their audience.

i use the mute feature often. Other people feel like they have an opinion that matters in regards to someone else attitude.

if they want advice here it is and it will be repeated in spurts with little to no up-votes: -Spam binging people is reportable and doesnt show up in chat logs -Riot has a auto system to detect item 3070 build -there is actually a number of games you can actually dodge / afk out of without being punished but its in relation to the number of games you play and frequency. (consider 1 out of 100 games) -Riot actually has real people reviewing these bans and will actually read them so BSing them on a review card makes them less sympathetic from the start. -Riot has punished their own employees before. -Riot has banned Pro players accounts and never gave them back and the pros had to start over for their live server account. -Running it down mid is ban-able -Riot punishes people for more than what they say. -Special characters sometimes jack up report cards so they could actually be incomplete and Riot can pull your full one if you need it.

difference between casual and ranked: -if you afk the last 5 mins of a normal game probably get 1 report. -if you afk the last 2 mins of a ranked game you will most likely get 3 reports on you. -in ranked dont sit in base spamming surrender. it didnt work the first time and the other people do expect you to play. -in ranked dont say 'its only a game' it is a commitment for a period of atleast an 1 hour per game should be given. not you have 20 mins maybe it will be quick. -Normals have their own elo, but there is no visual representation to carry over next season.

Question for you: -have you been banned / suspended / restricted or punished by riot?

MokkunSep 6, 20161 votes

I suppose it depends on what message you think is needed.

Are people going to be helped by their peers telling them that, no, their behavior is not acceptable, and it is laughable to think that it is. Or are they going to be helped by some kind of advice as to what isn't acceptable.

I suppose it depends on whether you think the information is self evident or not. I think that for most people it should be, and that most people complaining about their bans, aren't actually looking for advice on how to improve themselves, they are either looking to rant/vent, or they naively believe that they can foster a quantity of upvotes by complaining about Riot, "cuz everyone's on that bandwagon right guys?"

Considering that the vast majority of cases, the player is indeed at fault. That even on the ones that have a sob story good enough to get a large number of upvotes, tend, in the vast majority of cases to get smote when more information comes to light, it's hard to feel optimistic toward the people who expend the energy to come here.

The ones who are going to get it, probably don't post here. Sweet polite persuasion here will bring you no relief. Because those who yield to reason aren't the kind that cause you grief.

TheSequelsRBadSep 6, 20162 votes

Mostly true, many of the players who come here are not going to reform, but some can, and the only legitimate purpose of this board is to try to help those who will reform.

Though it is entertaining and enjoyable to see an arrogant jerk brought down, I see several people here lumped into the arrogant jerk class, when they seem to me to be only seeking help.

Morality CoachSep 6, 20161 votes

All people need to do to play the game is shut up. If you haven't learned how to shut up yet, that's not our problem and we don't owe you coaching sessions.

Sometimes when I'm feeling magnanimous I will give a quick lesson on morality but no one is owed this.

It's better for toxic people to eat a ban. Most people only learn when they lose money, similar to police fines. Upholding a moral code is a rare thing in this day and age, with the stick is the best way to learn not with the book.

TheSequelsRBadSep 6, 20162 votes

Your name makes this post awesome.