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PSA: Flaming your team will NOT make them play better.

Get Ogre Here·2/23/2019, 1:55:24 AM·23 votes·10,393 views

Interesting how I have to make this PSA in the first place but it has to be said.

If I'm feeding I already feel like shit because I'm feeding. I don't need to add on my teammates barraging me with flame, that won't make me play any better.

I think it's worse when my team flames me than the enemy, because my teammate should be on MY side. If your teammate is feeding and you think you should say something, do this:

Instead of saying-

"What the fuck are you doing?"

"Stop trolling you piece of shit"

"Uninstall you garbage "

You should say-

"You should play a little bit safer"

"Stick with the team"

"Stay back and waveclear for a bit"

This way, your teammate feels encouraged and like the team is trying to help. If the first statements [or things like it] are said, you're making your teammate feel even worse and antagonized, which won't help their gameplay.

Obviously there's the solution of 'mute your teammates', but I should never have to mute my OWN teammates, even though it sometimes IS necessary, I wish it wasn't. I've even been told by my own teammates to mute them. If you say to your teammate "then mute me", you should probably be chat restricted or banned in most cases.

And this happens to me a lot, and little do my teammates know, if I was someone else, they could be making me fucking int. Sometimes it takes all the self-control I can conjure from my soul to not run it down mid and spam "omegalul" in the chat, but someone with a little bit less of a breaking point could easily be doing that, which I don't think my teammates think about.

Again, I shouldn't be making this PSA, but this is apparently something that needs to be said.

64 Comments

boricCentaur12/23/2019, 1:58:04 AM7 votes

well every time I say play safe or pls stop fighting I get muted and then called toxic.

dnsup2/23/2019, 3:49:37 AM5 votes

Right. Flaming your teammates only gives them reasons not to play better. It would make more sense to surrender outright than it would to flame your teammates.

R107 Games2/23/2019, 2:07:27 AM5 votes

Flame can make someone play better, or something of the like. It all depends on the person's mentality, and how they perceive flame:

If they are sensitive or can't take criticism, then flaming may not be optimal. If they are thick skinned and can take criticism, then flaming may be optimal. If they perceive flame to be insulting, then flaming may not be optimal. If they perceive flaming to be criticism, then flaming may be optimal.

Based on my observations and experiences, I've seen players make less mistakes, play better, keep trying etc. as a result of flaming. Your personal feelings of flame are not universal

Kuumailmapallo2/23/2019, 3:49:47 AM4 votes

Yes, let's coddle each and every one of these toddlers that can't be asked to put even a minutia of thought into their gameplay. Going 1/11 is completely fine and definitely NOT grounds for their teammates to be pissed at them and grill their sorry arse. Grow a backbone, snowflake.

Bogan Logan2/23/2019, 12:31:29 PM4 votes

Chat shouldn't even be a feature in league of legends. It just promotes toxicity, and riot has stated themselves that having discussions of ANY kind shouldn't be taking place in the chat because you should be focusing on the game, so you can't use it for educating people. Chat is just a ticking time bomb for toxicity. Emotes are the same, they're pay to be toxic basically and shouldn't be in the game. Pings should be the only way to communicate, they work well and even if you try to be toxic with them, you aren't spending half the game typing.

Hethalean2/23/2019, 3:23:19 AM4 votes

People don't flame for any reason but self-emotional balm anyway. I entirely agree though.

Sky Cardis2/23/2019, 6:36:56 AM3 votes

If you flame, you anger them for insulting them. If you give kind advice, you'll anger them for coming off as condescending (towards them).

This is the snowflake era, most people will get upset no matter what you do. "I'm the best/I'm special/I can do anything" mentality that's been poured into these people heads have caused this whole "I'm invincible/superior" pride mentality, thus they can do no wrong. "Everyone is bad but me, or just got lucky".

ŚtrongMental2/23/2019, 2:43:01 AM3 votes

it wont, but PSA Ranked is fucked. doesnt matter this season...

Ps: Any ranked reset that happens I wish to be added to the list of players who request one on themselves - please refer to this tweet https://twitter.com/RiotSapMagic/status/1098820557385084928

Phieldworker2/23/2019, 2:52:04 AM3 votes

I agree with you. I definitely use the mute button so I can better focus but when I’m the one in the position where I would have an itch to flame I always think”how can I spin this to encourage the team morale”. So instead of saying “omg wtf you’re feeding” I’ll say something like “ all we gotta do is kill the draven and their team will crumble” or “lets farm and prep for the next dragon and we can win this”. Come up with a game plan instead and it empowers even the 0/5 people.

xxgabrielxx172/23/2019, 4:00:30 AM3 votes

first no....... if you tell anyone in the toxic community anything today, even if you are nice about it, and legit try to help them they tell you to stfu and report you for being toxic

PH452/23/2019, 7:11:45 AM3 votes

Agreed, I don't know how people fail to see this and then complain about how they got ''unfairly banned'' and how ''their team is the obvious reason'' for the behavior.

speedameen2/24/2019, 1:06:02 AM2 votes

You should say-

"You should play a little bit safer"

"Stick with the team"

"Stay back and waveclear for a bit"

I’ve ran into many games though were the person is warned and warned but continues doing things that are gonna cost us the game.what do we do then? Just let the guy go 0/20 without saying a single thing it gets so fucking frustrating when the player fed and now nasus is 1 shooting us into oblivion.not saying that flaming will help in the least but I guess sometimes it”s like farting after holding it in all day it feels good to just release.

WerewolfTeaParty2/23/2019, 11:11:16 AM2 votes

better yet, say nothing at all, because the game is filled with gen z's who think just for connecting to the game they're gonna get a participation trophy so they automatically take anything you say the wrong way. cuz it's not like we're all trying to win or anything amirite

Inkling Commando2/23/2019, 2:15:49 AM2 votes

my team can flame me all they want. i won't give two fried fucks about it. they cannot tell me what to do. my choices are mine alone.

Eleshakai2/23/2019, 5:05:06 PM2 votes

I'm going to be honest here, I think your PSA needs to go a step further.

People are, generally, not receptive to negative feedback from people they have no reason to trust during high-stress situations.

When you put 5 people together in a game, they don't know each other. They don't have any pre-built trust, and there is no really quick way to make a person trust you. And when you know you've just screwed up and you're losing, stress is likely starting to mount.

As a result, there is very little reason to provide directed feedback to a teammate when they've screwed up unless they're asking for it DURING THE GAME. It's not going to end well most of the time. The best result you can realistically hope for is that they just ignore you and move on. More likely is you make them feel even worse about the mistakes they KNOW they've made and tilt even more.

If you really want to offer feedback, wait until the end of the game and whisper the person and ask them if they're interested in some tips. If they say no, don't force the issue. If they say yes, who knows, you might even make a new friend.

Syrile2/23/2019, 9:26:23 PM2 votes

If you want to really help someone, try, gently, to tell them a better tactic. Instead of "play safer" say, "Renekton is stronger than you in early game. Try to stay away from him and farm closer to your tower until late game." They might not listen. Odds are, they will just flame you and call you toxic anyway because that is how people tend to be nowadays, but simply stating the obvious of "play safer" or something like that rarely ever actually helps. Unless the person is already int-feeding, they are not deliberately playing unsafe, they just do not understand the game.

The Dream Memes2/23/2019, 7:34:44 AM2 votes

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Instead of saying-

"What the fuck are you doing?"

"Stop trolling you piece of shit"

"Uninstall you garbage "

You should say-

"You should play a little bit safer"

"Stick with the team"

"Stay back and waveclear for a bit"

This doesn't work....As a jungler, you can trigger your team regardless of what you say. The best thing to say is nothing. Do your best to de-escalate a situation between two others by immediately typing "Mute each other please" it's your only fail-safe in this game at all. If you type you risk them escalating more by shifting blame and getting the "you're doing worse than me, trash" comments. Mute them all yourself if you get triggered by teammates being negative as well after using the fail-safe.

If that doesn't work do your best to help that person/lane that's behind by roaming/ganking/deep warding. Unless it's too late and you're at 5 min and he is 0-3. Just ignore the person completely at that point.

BlueSmurf20182/23/2019, 10:05:00 PM1 votes

Whenever i say that to someone they tell me to stop and call me a fucking r%%%%%, then tell me they will report me and say "muted" even tho they are just bad and wont accpet any tips i give them to win

The Highest Noon2/23/2019, 9:28:33 PM1 votes

PSA: Telling your teammates what mistakes they make in a respectable manner, hoping they learn, does not help you win games because the playerbase is generally selfish and refuse to listen to others.