Should Riot be permanently banning accounts without looking at the gameplay footage?

MAD is OOB gg··4 votes·1,149 views

Recently my account was permanently banned by riot. I'm not here to say that all permabans are not deserved. I'm also not here to argue that my case was deserved or undeserved. I'm simply here to say that people can have toxic gameplay and that the system should take this into account when using action against someone. At some point or another we have all seen it. We all get that teammate that wont stop following us around trying to contest every cs or jungle camp we go to. The person in my case was clearly looking for a reaction and I sadly gave it to him by calling him "a little shit". What I'm trying to get at is that not every case is black and white based off the text alone. If you just look at the text of the game completely removed from the situation that is happening in the game, it would appear as harassment. If you look at the gameplay leading up to this point in the chat log it would not appear to be outright harassment, for the other person was clearly doing something to cause this reaction. Sure I did not need to make any comment to him at all, I probably would still have an account if I didn't. I still think that the system needs to incorporate the replay of the game to make a more informed decision on whether that player truly deserves the punishment received.

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PIMPSMOOTH5 votes

"Should Riot be permanently banning accounts without looking at the gameplay footage? "

Absolutely. The last thing Riot needs to be doing is paying some poor souls to waste their lives reviewing matches when the system in place is working as intended. Players who get perma banned deserve it and know they're breaking the rules en route to their bans.

Riot has it's hands full doing wayyyyyyyy more important tasks such as attempting to balance the game, bug fixes, create/implement new content, etc etc.

MeilinII2 votes

I think you mean "Absolutely" because the OP is saying RIOT should have to watch gameplay to ban anyone.

MAD is OOB gg1 votes

Well honestly if you look at it that way... they don't even need a report system. Since when was it needed to go beyond a player defending themselves by using a mute button. Its not needed. The report system only gives them more to do... that they don't need to be doing. When everything in life is seen differently by each individual person based on perspective. One person sees it your way one person does not. Does this make you wrong? No it doesn't. Because everything is based off individual perspective. The only way for someone to protect themselves from hearing something they don't want to hear is for them to defend themselves. So why not just leave their jobs to the mute button if that is the case?

MAD is OOB gg1 votes

Do you see what I'm saying here? If they are going to be taking action on this matter, they might as well go the whole way to do it.

The Queen Viper5 votes

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Should Riot be permanently banning accounts without looking at the gameplay footage?

Yes. Gameplay footage is irrelevant.

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What I'm trying to get at is that not every case is black and white based off the text alone.

Incorrect.

Just because he probably did something wrong, doesn't justify your wrongdoings.

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If you just look at the text of the game completely removed from the situation that is happening in the game, it would appear as harassment.

That's because it was. Adding more "context" won't help and is irrelevant.

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If you look at the gameplay leading up to this point in the chat log it would not appear to be outright harassment, for the other person was clearly doing something to cause this reaction.

So why did you feed the troll ?

Don't do it.

You failed.

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Sure I did not need to make any comment to him at all, I probably would still have an account if I didn't.

Nope. You don't get permabanned because of one single game.

You are toxic, and your brain can't handle this game.

Go play something else, people don't want you here.

MAD is OOB gg1 votes

That is all only your point of view. You could say that you took away context from the original situation. Therfore my theory does not add context to the situation, but you actually had to take original context away to reach the second conclusion.

Kei1432 votes

hmm.. thats not just his point of view. its how the system was programmed to operate.

the original context doesn't matter, they did wrong, they'll get their punishment. you did something wrong, you'll get yours.

MAD is OOB gg1 votes

then the program works using who ever created its perspective on the matter. imo the original context does matter. also imo for just saying the word shit is not enough to even get reported when the person that reported me was trolling. You can clearly tell he was trolling in the replay, but not clearly tell he was trolling from the text.

Kei1431 votes

oh, you misunderstand.

Your punishment is yours and what you say (or do). They will get theirs.

If they go trolling you and you respond with someone really outrageous, for example, telling them to die and wish cancer upon them, then you will get punished for what you said. They'll still get punished for trolling.

Context doesn't matter, as you are only responsible for your own actions. In the example I provided, you could have chosen to the following:

  • ignore them,
  • out farm them by having more AD
  • move to another lane
  • get another objective

So, if one did choose to wish someone death or cancer, they should be punished for that, regardless of whether the troll got punished.

PIMPSMOOTH3 votes

Correctamundo Meillinii [zombie-nunu-hearts]

MeilinII2 votes

Post the reform card/chat logs. [slayer-pantheon-popcorn] If you retaliated, ban deserved. Two wrongs don't make a right.

MAD is OOB gg1 votes

The problem is how many games this actually takes place in. To say I deserve a ban means you think that over half the people who play deserve a ban.

MeilinII1 votes

Actually, it's far less than half. But I do think anyone who is childish enough to rise to trolls deserves what's coming to them.

MAD is OOB gg1 votes

so hypothetically speaking... if you've played over 5k games and never done anything wrong. You just happen to be having a bad day and someone trolls you in ranked... you call this person "a little shit". This happened 1 time in over 5k games. When I have seen worse behavior in just about half the games I've played in, well actually I haven't seen it in half the games i've played in, but the other team claims it happened, with over 5k games to reference from, games which I never said anything negative in. You wouldn't question being permanently banned?

TrulyBland4 votes

You won't receive a first punishment for one single game. But okay, let's say, for one second, that due to some really weird statistical anomaly, you get punished instantly for that one incident... Congratulations, you now have a 10 game chat restriction. Assuming it takes another 5000 games for this to happen again, and assuming that again you are punished for one single incident, you know what happens? You get another 10 game chat restriction, because unless you play over 50 games a day, three months will have passed.

That leaves four options:

  • you were not banned for toxicity
  • you said something a lot worse than "little shit"
  • you have not only been negative in a single game over 5000 games
  • the system made a mistake

Mind you, the fourth option seems vastly unlikely, I just added it since it is still a possibility.

MAD is OOB gg1 votes

Well, that was the game they sent me the chat log of. Yes that was the worst thing I said, I kind of bicker with the mid lane for like a minute because he kept saying I sucked and I try explaining to him that the support is making it hard for me to get farm. I played about 30 games in 2 weeks, over winter break. I know I got reported for having a bad score at one point and I never really said anything all game, well at least nothing negative. Before that all I've ever had was a 3 game chat restriction for something very minor. When I talked to riot about the issue they only showed me the chat from this game, which was evidently enough for a ban, I asked for the other report logs and never received them. Yes I know, I should not have said anything to the guy. Just seems a little harsh considering if they spent the time to watch the game I don't feel like they would have come to the same conclusion.

Kei1432 votes

Care to post them? we'll be able to tell what is proper and not

MAD is OOB gg1 votes

well its not letting me copy paste it so i just have to write it here, this only includes what i say in the game, so it looks a little weird. You just have to imagine what my team was saying. At one point the blitz does say the champion i am playing " is gay" and i say he is being a little shit. But other then that imo this is all logical conversation. But i guess the program they made doesn't see it that way? :Team? help? :uh do you not see blitz? :he is being a little shit messing with my farming mechanics :score means nothing my friend :yet mechanics are what win games :well if this blitz learned how to play maybe his teamates wouldnt have a bad score :lol blitz... :i mean its not hard to understand :when someone on your team is trolling by messing with someones mechanics they bring the whole game down :how do you guys have no clue? :i can see it... :you don't understand... :mechanics arn't score :mechanics are little things you do in game to help increase your chances to win, like farming properly under tower. :you dont win just by score :you first off are totally mis lead that having a good score is what wins games ALL: they keep blaming me all game... ALL: i try to tell them something that will help them and apparently i am toxic because they know everything and to question the fact they know everything is toxic.... :no i did not say that :you clearly don't understand in general :it has nothing to do with season 6... :lol blitz is way more salty imo... to be trolling :i leave this game feeling fine... i know i dont suck

I feel like i just talk about what is happening in the game, to not watch the game leaves too much out of context. If you see what i am having to put up with, not only from the chat of these other players but from their gameplay as well, i feel like i handle this in an ok manner, simply trying to explain to a person claiming i sucked, what was actually causing us to lose.

it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth when ive played about 5k games and ive seen things WAY worse then this many times, more then the 4% riot claims have ever been chat restricted. So either these people are getting lucky they are not being reported or something... This also is what brings me to the conclusion that if they are going to ban people based off of perspective of situations, why cant they watch the replay? Why is watching the replay adding context? You could say not watching the replay is taking out original context. Or, they could be like everyother game and leave this job up to the mute button, player defends themself, gg no problem at all. Like in COD People said way worse just about everymatch but somehow having the ability to mute them and keep playing was good enough. With leaving this to the mute button you dont have to worry about offending someone because they are 12 and don't understand what you are trying to tell them.

Kei1431 votes

If that is truly what was said, then no, nothing in this chat is punishment worthy.

**Makes me wonder if there was more going on. **

That being said, you can send in a support ticket into Riot and dispute the punishment.

MAD is OOB gg1 votes

i sent it in to them and they say that i was bantering with them and that they will not be lifting the ban

MeilinII1 votes

Yes, post the chatlog/reform card you have, and then we'll see.

MAD is OOB gg1 votes

lol thanks for your intelligent input.

Dominick Destine1 votes

Nope.

While there are certain middle of the road behaviors that are very hard to detect (Ex: Tryndamere Excssive split pushing can sometimes be the equivalent of intentionally throwing the game... other times it will lead to a win) but the system does a decent job of differentiating toxic gameplay and non-toxic gameplay (I.e. intentional feed vs. just having a terrible game).

Samus721 votes

It depends.

Were you reported for being AFK? Unless there is a way to see that you were AFK other than watching the game itself, I'd watch the game and see. Are you reported for bad language? All that is needed is a chat log.

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