Here's my chat log, threatening a permaban.

Degenerate55·11/2/2019, 12:27:30 AM·2 votes·2,072 views

You guys always say people are only given permaban for really awfulness. So read this chat log very tame by league standards and stating nothing but facts the player's winrate that banned my account. Lost cool only once and called him a piece of shit for purposely banning my champion because he looked up previous game with a 5/3/7 kda, was a vicotry, low elo ranked game. SInce I built trinity force he said I was trolling. I thought it was just the automated system but nope Riot is doubling down saying this is permabanable next penalty is permaban shouldn't use all chat for the remainder of this account's existence. Everything is factual I am stating. Recieved 2 week ban, will never use this account again and look into legal action.

Champ select right after he bans my declared champ

2019-11-01 03:36:05 PDT] Degenerate55: ok [2019-11-01 03:36:07 PDT] Degenerate55: throwing [2019-11-01 03:36:12 PDT] Degenerate55: good job MF [2019-11-01 03:36:25 PDT] Degenerate55: Piece of shit

In game: I don't feed but also dont play top of my game I am mid and AFK farm dont participate too much in ganks did some team fights but not giving to0 effort to help this guy win after that. Rest of chat is in game. [0:17] [All] Degenerate55 (Kai'Sa): our ADC been playing league for years [0:24] [All] Degenerate55 (Kai'): ranked is 47% winrate [0:26] [All] Degenerate55 (Kai'Sa): pretty bad [0:30] [All] Degenerate55 (Kai'Sa): also thinks [0:37] [All] Degenerate55 (Kai'Sa): banning champions of teamtes [0:39] [All] Degenerate55 (Kai'Sa): is a good idea [0:41] [All] Degenerate55 (Kai'Sa): to win games [0:51] [All] Degenerate55 (Kai'Sa): might have to go with 47% winrate [0:55] [All] Degenerate55 (Kai'Sa): u see she banned my champ

16 Comments

MeesterMo11/2/2019, 12:32:53 AM4 votes

Okay, really awful is a relative term. While yes, I have seen worse in League, the standard you should be using is "if I said this to a person in real life, would that be considered acceptable?" not "is this the worst thing I've ever seen in LoL chat?"

edit: oh my god, please keep us posted on your "legal action" dude, lol.

rujitra11/2/2019, 12:55:49 AM4 votes

Yes, because Riot is totally going to be scared by your threat of legal action that will at best, get you laughed out of your lawyer’s office, and at worst, cost you thousands of dollars for a judge to dismiss and laugh you out of the court room.

You were toxic after being warned not to be. You flamed and harassed someone. That’s against the rules.

KFCeytron11/2/2019, 12:31:46 AM4 votes

So, it has come to this: someone displayed misbehavior in a LoL match in flagrant disregard for the game's rules, ToS, EULA, and Summoner's Code. That's unfortunate, and I'm sorry you had to deal with it. If this misbehavior happened in chat (including emotes or ping) and they don't respond positively to a single, courteous, constructive request to focus on the game, your best option is to mute that player. Submit a report after the match. This is equivalent to dealing with a noisy person in a library by asking them to keep it down and then notifying library staff and moving to another area.

Do not respond with misbehavior of your own! If you do that, your teammates may mute and report you, and those reports would be valid. This is equivalent to dealing with a noisy person in a library by getting into a shouting match with them. Just because someone else started it doesn't justify you in continuing it. I'm sure you're familiar with the "s/he started it" trope, where two children get into an argument or fight and then try to claim innocence of any wrongdoing by claiming that they didn't instigate it. As any parent, teacher, or other supervisor of children will tell you, that excuse doesn't fly. When Dad is trying to drive you to Disneyland and your annoying brother starts making faces at you as he's previously been told not to, you should calmly ask him to stop, and then, if that doesn't work, calmly notify your parents of the problem. Making faces at him or shouting at him has never been a good way to get him to stop, and it makes you just as guilty of that as he.

Riot doesn't care who started it. Someone else's misbehavior does not justify your own.

From Riot's support knowledgebase:

  • Simply speaking, retaliation is not an acceptable or justifiable behavior. An argument between two players can easily create a negative experience for the rest of the players in the game with you. Regardless of the other player’s actions, this does not justify your own behavior. You alone are responsible for your actions within the game.If you encounter a toxic player like this, the best option is to simply report their behavior and move on.
  • Reports are a vital piece to the puzzle. If you are not sure of what sort of behavior is reportable take a look at the Reporting a Player FAQ

If you misbehave but a teammate or opponent does or says something even worse, you should definitely report them after the match, just as someone reported you for your own misbehavior. Yes, that's certainly possible. Reports are not a limited resource. Any time someone believes that another player violated LoL's behavioral standards, they can report that player. Punishments are similarly not limited: if more than one player in a game merits a punishment, they can both get a punishment. This can happen even if the players in question were antagonizing each other. The IFS doesn't need to weigh the severity of all reported players' actions and then "award" the "winner" with a punishment; it's not a contest.

Think of it like dealing with a noisy person in a library: ask them to keep it down, and then notify library staff and move to another area if that doesn't work. If you get into a shouting match with them, you're just as likely to be removed, even if you weren't shouting quite as loudly as they were. The goal is a quiet library.

There is nothing in Riot's behavioral rules that excuses toxic chat as long as it's factual. It's technically possible for someone to literally be matched with the worst player on the planet, but there's no reason to spend the match calling them the worst player on the planet. It won't make them better at LoL, it won't make them feel better, and it won't help you win the match. All it will do is make them feel worse, annoy your team, and get you punished for breaking the rules, "facts" or not. It's technically true that 2+2=4, but if you announce that fact to your team every four seconds, that's spam and it will annoy them until they mute you, followed by a report and a punishment. It's a true fact, but spamming it is still punishable. Announcing a struggling teammate's score every time they die might be a recitation of fact, but all that does is harass the teammate by calling attention to their poor performance. It won't improve their performance; it might actually exacerbate the problem by tilting them. Scores are factual, but that doesn't make it okay to harass someone.

You weren't punished for misbehaving in one game. You were punished for misbehaving in one more game, in a consistent pattern of negative behavior that breaks the game's rules. Additionally, the reform card doesn't always show all the logs that led to your punishment: it randomly selects up to several logs. You might see three logs, but you also might see as few as one, even for players whose punishment stems not from a small number of egregious infractions but rather from dozens of instances of mild toxicity. The purpose of the reform card is to tell you how to reform, so it shows you an example of the behavior that prompted your punishment and explains that such behavior is inappropriate and should be avoided if you want to maintain an account in good standing.

Usually, one transgression by itself wouldn't be enough to bring such a punishment to an otherwise clean account, but the IFS works on an escalating punishment system. Breaking a minor rule, like engaging the team in useless arguments, has a minor punishment: a chat restriction. Breaking that same rule over and over again, however, doesn't prompt an endless series of chat restrictions. The severity of the punishment ramps up over time, because the goal is to eliminate the punished player's willingness to break the game's rules. If two chat restrictions don't stop the useless arguments, the system will increase the punishment to a 14-day suspension and deliver a very clear message that the continued rule-breaking is becoming a serious issue and any further instances will result in a permaban. Again, the point is to put a stop to this misbehavior. If a player is more interested in repeatedly breaking the rules than in maintaining access to their account, they'll lose access to their account.

Of course, it's possible to break major rules, like cheating, threatening people, or using chat for hate speech, and skip punishment tiers so that a clean account ends up with a 14-day suspension or even a permaban.

From Riot's support knowledgebase:

PUNISHMENTS GENERALLY FOLLOW A BASIC ESCALATION PATH:

  • First Offense: 10 Game Chat Restriction
  • Second Offense: 25 Game Chat Restriction
  • Third Offense: Two Week Suspension
  • Fourth Offense: Permanent Suspension

However, it is possible to skip to a Two Week or Permanent suspension based on the severity of the behavior in the game. Excessive negative behavior can result in a Two-Week or Permanent suspension at any time without having a chat restriction on the account.

Theft is defined as "the action or crime of stealing," and stealing is defined as "taking (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it." When a player purchases RP, they give money to Riot and Riot increases a number in a database that Riot owns and operates. When that player spends the RP, Riot decreases the aforementioned number and simultaneously makes another change to the account which that player is allowed to access. This change might be a flag indicating that a certain skin can now be selected, or an increase in the number of rune pages customizable from that account. At no point in time does Riot sell, rent, or license any kind of ownership of any of Riot's assets to any player. Players are simply allowed to access the account they create, with their authorized credentials.

This is no different from accessing any other private entity's services. If you notice that a wall at a friend's house is very plain and you buy them a painting to spruce it up, that painting now belongs to your friend. If your friend forbids you from coming into their house, which could be for no reason, any reason, or very good reason (e.g. that you continually broke clearly-defined rules and ignored all reprimands and requests to change your behavior), you don't get to keep the painting. You also aren't owed the financial value of the painting, nor does helping with the decor grant you any right to keep hanging out at your (former) friend's house.

Imperial Pandaa11/2/2019, 12:49:34 AM3 votes

Prefer the chat logs posted without comments about why. Also isn't a matter of "does this deserve a perma" but "does this deserve a punishment"? Which after a 14 day ban is the next punsihment step. Finally, "facts" doesn't immediately make something okay. Calling someone a fatass is rude even if they are fat.

Tele II11/2/2019, 2:02:32 AM3 votes

Well youre listening to the wrong people if you believed them when they said you have to do something really awful to get permabanned. You dont. Theres a tiered system of punishments. You get a 10 game cr, 25 game cr, 14 day ban, then permaban. To get that permaban, all you have to do is break the rules after a 14 day ban. It doesnt take anything extreme. So this is a pretty standard ban. You broke the rules, youve already had a 14 day ban, the next step is a permaban because you've shown youre not interested in following the rules.

Der Lindwurm11/2/2019, 12:35:12 AM3 votes

If this is banworthy, then at least half of all the people I play with every day should be banned.

MagicFlyingLlama11/2/2019, 12:55:09 AM3 votes

Maybe instead of threatening legal action (which you cant do, just makes you sound irrational) maybe you should contact support and politely ask for an investigation if this was an error.

Summoner SpeII11/2/2019, 12:54:02 AM2 votes

honestly, calling the guy who banned ur champion a piece of shit is bannable, but prepicking troll and threatening to int by picking troll summoners isn't bannable, because u pick random summoners and not ghost cleanse, which is a common evidence that could be used to ban you because it is clear you are not trying off meta strats and just blatantly inting. Honestly riot is just encouraging toxicity in champ select. The large amounts of autofills begging to role swap every few games.

Ragequitting at 5 minutes is also not bannable, because riot cant tell the difference between a ragequit and a real life situation dc, and in my opinion a rage quit is so much more fucking toxic than someone who called someone else a piece of shit for banning their champion to troll them. and yet ragequitting is met with almost no punishment, but if the punishment was harsher people who had real life problems connecting would be negatively impacted too.

The only time a teamate should ban your champion is if the champion is so fucking broken on meta tier list that the team that picks it first wins, and ur team is not first pick. That is a very rare situation, and banning teammate champions on first pick side should be a bannable offense. Riot system should be able to detect when you ban a teamates champion, as it already gives a warning, i don't see why this couldn't be implemented further (but only on first pick side, as i mentioned before there could be such broken meta that the ban is warranted)

GatekeeperTDS11/2/2019, 12:47:54 AM2 votes

You guys always say people are only given permaban for really awfulness.

Who says that?

Look, punishments are severity x consistency. You can be really fucking toxic a small number of times and get punished, or you can be really fucking argumentative and annoying a lot of times and get punished.

[2019-11-01 03:36:25 PDT] Degenerate55: Piece of shit

You are the former. Toxic chat, uncalled for.

Degenerate5511/2/2019, 12:44:27 AM1 votes

Never said he was the worst player, never called him any names at all other than the first time in champ select when I lost my cool as soon as he did it. Only state the facts of the situation my champion at this position is a higher win % than his at any position so it makes no sense to take that away. Comments are only toxic in your point of view. Only other negative comment is 47% winrate in my opinion is "pretty bad" as I said. Stating players winrate is now "toxic" behavior? What about when somebody snowballs cusses us out in chat cusses his own teammate for 20 minutes straight and receives no penalty because he didn't receive enough reports? Can't trust Riot won't give them another dollar.

Tokishi11/2/2019, 2:48:39 AM1 votes

Did you just call someone a piece of shit? for doing someone that could have costed you the win? Bro, what is wrong with you? Don't you know in an actual sport, she would have been handed a trophy for her actions and been treated as a hero? Riot needs to send int's rage quits, and griefers to the shadow realm. Unless someone is blatantly saying like, burn the jews or something, the mute button is right there. This petty shit that players pull with soft in and such would never fly in any sort of competitive environment in real life. It's one the biggest things that reminds me that league is a video game over a sport

Eedat11/2/2019, 3:15:50 AM1 votes

Lets see the full chat log. All that you posted is what you said before 1 minute lmao

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iron4playa11/3/2019, 4:14:33 PM1 votes

post full log