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Question For The "NEVER FF!" Community

Banned B4 Lv30·12/20/2019, 6:46:46 AM·2 votes·1,925 views

First of all, props to you for literally never getting tilted no matter what, I honestly have no idea how you do it. However, I just want to know whats going on through your heads when you are refusing to FF a game no matter how badly you're getting smoked.

I get it, there are games that are winnable even when it is looking very bad on the surface, but there are some games where the only statistical way of winning the game is if 3/5 of the enemy team disconnect for the entirety of the rest of the game.

What brought me this question is the most recent game I was in, where I about blew a damn gasket because two of my players absolutely refused to forfeit. We were down 7 turrets, 28 kills, 2 dragons, an inhibitor, and a rift herald at the 20 minute mark. It was 6 vs 34 kills at 20 minutes. Why would you refuse to ff that game situation? What is the possible outcome you are looking for? Are you actually just banking on their entire team getting ddossed so we have a chance at winning? Because from an outside perspective it literally looks to me like you just love wasting everyones time.

The other argument besides the slight chance of winning is "Oh they are just playing the game to have fun!" Ok..... what is so fun about getting one shotted by literally anybody on the enemy team if you try to fight them? What is so fun about never being able to go past your inhibitors because that is way too deep and you will get wrecked if you go any further?

I don't mean to sound toxic, I'm just wondering what the hell is going on in your minds to want to put yourself and your teammates through that torture. Because I don't understand it whatsoever.

19 Comments

Cind3rkick12/20/2019, 7:41:51 AM4 votes

Im not a strictly "never ff" player, but I will quite often vote no to to a surrender when we are very far behind.

Why?

Well I play late game adc like Xayah or Vayne and im confident that if I get to full build with a decent frontline, I can carry us back from the giant loss.

I dont mean this in a way of bragging, but occasionally I will be able to basically 1v3 or 1v4 given the right situation simply because of my game knowledge and thinking outside the box.

Zyniya12/20/2019, 6:48:39 AM4 votes

I always assume the "Never FF" people are so tilted they want to tilt the rest of their team by wasting their time lol

Nightsky Pirate12/20/2019, 7:32:56 AM3 votes

If you're a one-trick who only sticks to one strategy, FF is a good idea when you're losing.

If you're dynamic and continually try to outmaneuver, lure, ambush, mislead, etc... you always have a chance. If someone on your team is a strategist, let them take the lead.

This is the art of NO FF.

Silent Gravity12/20/2019, 9:17:49 AM2 votes

If the enemies can't win the game by the next time surrender is off cooldown, then surrendering then was the wrong decision.

If the enemies do win before the next surrender vote could occur, then I didn't lose much time at all.

NF Remilia12/20/2019, 7:08:23 AM2 votes

Ryze flash to enemy team at 2min in their invade. Dies saying pff this game is lost ff15 , when 15mins came none of us wanted to surrender he actually said we are from these never surrender people and he start giving free kills on enemy team so they can end. The ff people are the most tilted people in the world. A person that is 0/8 thinking this game is over and trying to surrender like 10 times but the rest of the team can comeback... Yesterday i had a game in which my support wanted to surrender , cuz we were down 15 kills but i was fed so i split pushed so we can comeback. We cameback and support said you are bunch of idiots and left the game. Leaving us 4v5 but we still won. These people that want to ff , they dont want to win. I really dont want these type of players in my games but hey it is what it is , i cant choose my team before every single game.

rujitra12/20/2019, 7:26:19 AM2 votes

Because the second you start thinking about surrendering is the second you're throwing away a winnable game. If you drag it out to 40-50 mins (yes, this is possible in today's game) then it doesn't matter who's up in kills - it's about skill and death timers by that point - even in a 4v5.

But once you start thinking "hmm should we surrender... i mean maybe" - you are going to play worse because you have your mind made up the game is lost.

Inkling Commando12/20/2019, 7:21:11 AM1 votes

I never FF because it is disrespectful. not only for your team but enemy team as well. both you and the enemy have one goal. win. and how do you win? that right destroy the nexus. not forcing other team into submission, not claiming most objectives (i.e. drakes, towers, etc), not getting most kills but only destroying the nexus. and by crying and calling a FF you are potentially screwing the other team out of properly winning. and worst of all there is absolutely no penalties for FF spamming so a player(s) can cry and FF spam all they want even when it fails several times. so before you call a FF vote think about how you would feel if the enemy FF.

xHeimtechZX12/20/2019, 7:53:50 AM1 votes

Me tilting on LoL: rare occurrence. Me tilting on Splatoon: almost every match. LoL is too chill. Idk why I would tilt on LoL. Splatoon is really fun tho, you should try it if you haven't. Anyways, the reason I barely surrender is I almost never pay attention to the surrender box and the reason for that is every single match someone wants to surrender and majority of the time, the surrender makes no sense. I only click yes if I see others not really enjoying the game or there's like 3 yes. If we're premades, I will always go yes. There's too many surrenders. I really just want to play a full match. Its so hard to get those nowadays. Its not over until the Nexus explodes. It's easy to overextend in the end of the game and one teamfight decides it all because of how long respawn times get. Surrendering is just locking in that defeat.

Yin Yang Taoist12/20/2019, 7:05:19 AM1 votes

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First of all, props to you for literally never getting tilted no matter what, I honestly have no idea how you do it. However, I just want to know whats going on through your heads when you are refusing to FF a game no matter how badly you're getting smoked.

I get it, there are games that are winnable even when it is looking very bad on the surface, but there are some games where the only statistical way of winning the game is if 3/5 of the enemy team disconnect for the entirety of the rest of the game.

What brought me this question is the most recent game I was in, where I about blew a damn gasket because two of my players absolutely refused to forfeit. We were down 7 turrets, 28 kills, 2 dragons, an inhibitor, and a rift herald at the 20 minute mark. It was 6 vs 34 kills at 20 minutes. Why would you refuse to ff that game situation? What is the possible outcome you are looking for? Are you actually just banking on their entire team getting ddossed so we have a chance at winning? Because from an outside perspective it literally looks to me like you just love wasting everyones time.

The other argument besides the slight chance of winning is "Oh they are just playing the game to have fun!" Ok..... what is so fun about getting one shotted by literally anybody on the enemy team if you try to fight them? What is so fun about never being able to go past your inhibitors because that is way too deep and you will get wrecked if you go any further?

I don't mean to sound toxic, I'm just wondering what the hell is going on in your minds to want to put yourself and your teammates through that torture. Because I don't understand it whatsoever.

This. Literally, almost every ranked game. I think it came after the whole deal by the NA commentators on not giving up not matter how far down you are. I posted this thought and some dude was like 'what if they have had no time for a new game and just wanted to play'. Didn't have much to say to that.