Streamers vs Average Joe: Punishing the Non-Elite

TheMinionLeader·6/16/2018, 10:07:45 PM·1 votes·1,361 views

I have played this game a long time. I have now witnessed many perma bans from chat logs that just do not make sense to me. ONLY because streamers such as Tyler 1 and Imaqtpie are often exceptionally negative and profane towards other players and even rito. Hashinshin is even someone who could be classified as a soft inter at some points(while streaming). Not every game, but he definitely goes off the deep end and doesn't play up to his challenger level abilities [galio-happy] . Are they immune because they bring the game popularity? I am just curious as to why they seem to be treated differently then other players.

Twitch is also streamed to a wider audience than your average chat log in an average league game. Therefore exposing the player to more toxicity from the entire community.

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ModUlanopo6/16/2018, 11:33:21 PM7 votes

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I have played this game a long time.

Appeal to authority

I have now witnessed many perma bans from chat logs that just do not make sense to me. ONLY because streamers such as Tyler 1 and Imaqtpie are often exceptionally negative and profane towards other players and even rito.

Are you talking about their streams - which is not something Riot really has control over - or their in-game chat? Also, are they being reported by the people in their games?

Hashinshin is even someone who could be classified as a soft inter at some points(while streaming). Not every game, but he definitely goes off the deep end and doesn't play up to his challenger level abilities

"Not playing at 100%" is awfully subjective to be considered a punishable offense. How do you even propose to measure that? Better yet, how do you propose to mechanically differentiate between that and simply misplaying?

Are they immune because they bring the game popularity? I am just curious as to why they seem to be treated differently then other players.

They're not treated better. Streamers can get a special type of suspension called an ID ban.

Twitch is also streamed to a wider audience than your average chat log in an average league game. Therefore exposing the player to more toxicity from the entire community.

Ultimately, that's not Riot's purview.

Pika Fox6/16/2018, 10:53:50 PM4 votes

Given t1 was on sight banned i dont think riot cares about your popularity, especially since chat related offenses are automated.

If you mean out of game voice chat to viewers, outside riots domain. Its not in game, so it doesnt affect the players.

Kei1436/16/2018, 11:52:04 PM2 votes

If you've been browsing around this section, you should know that the system punishes based on consistency x severity.

There are two main differences between streamers and the common joe:

They play alot more games
They don't always get reported

Them playing alot more games waters down their toxicity. Them not always getting reported means that their total toxicity score isn't moving up as fast as the common joe. All this means that their toxicity consistency is lessened (less toxicity per game), so the chances of them getting punished is, relatively speaking, lesser than the common joe.

The entire community exposure on Twitch really doesn't matter. What gets a player punished is only dependent on the valid reports against that person within that game, and there is a strong emphasis on the validity of the report.

Another thing is that you shouldn't confuse verbal toxicity with gameplay toxicity. Those are completely different systems and are measured in very different manners. Just because someone isn't playing at 100% all the time, doesn't mean that they are intentionally loosing the game.

Imperial Pandaa6/16/2018, 10:35:19 PM2 votes

Because it would be sort of unethical to punish someone based on another used platform. Also, those mediums are strictly opt in. No one if making you watch their stuff.

If I go on Runescape and beging saying how much people on LoL suck and deserve to be in bronze; and somehow Riot and Jagex can connect my accounts, should I be punished on LoL for my actions? The answer is no, as it is Jagex's property and not Riots.

As with Twitch and Youtube, it is not Riots domain, so they have to be careful with it. In some instances, they may use third party connections to ban an account, but that is usually reserved for harsher punishments.

After the coalition thing happens, maybe they will punish someone for out of game actions. They are not immune, if they get reported the game gets reviewed. And that is IF as higher elo doesn't report too often since they get to know each other more.

VeganScout6/16/2018, 10:33:14 PM2 votes

Punish them by not watching their content, maybe then they can get a real job.

AJStarhiker6/16/2018, 11:11:56 PM2 votes

If they are typing it in chat, it's up to the players in that game to decide if something is worth reporting and Riot will check for violations.

If it's said on a streaming or upload platform, it's up to the platform to determine whether a ToS was violated.

And people tend to be less likely to report friends or people they know. They know each others' tolerances and which lines don't get crossed. And even if a line is crossed, it's easier to brush off from a friend or colleague than from a complete stranger.

Rysophage6/17/2018, 12:59:47 AM1 votes

Why are people so stuck on tyler1? His ID BAN was lifted. He has not gotten a single permabanned account back and he never will. And when hash plays badly he drops out of Challenger hella fast. He also has to be reported in game, which probably never happens because Challenger players aren't children and think one death is inting like in silver.

RallerenP6/16/2018, 11:09:05 PM1 votes

ONLY because streamers such as Tyler 1

Who has been heavily punished.

and Imaqtpie

Who very rarely gets reported by the players who are actually forced to deal with him.

You see being negative isn't the only requirement for a punishment. A report is also required, and you can only report someone you were forced to deal with. You can't report someone for being toxic towards when it doesn't affect you.

are often exceptionally negative

Ehh, I can agree Tyler1 is often negative (but not exceptionally), not so much Tyler1.

But either way, you have the choice of not watching them to begin with. If they are annoying someone who didn't actively seek them out, they can be punished just like anyone else.

towards other players and even rito

Being negative towards Riot isn't punishable. (Unless you are harrassing a Riot employee in game or something, but at that point you'd get punished for harrassing a player, not because you they were a Riot employee).

Are they immune because they bring the game popularity?

Tyler1 has been banned on sight for about a year, and just recently was unbanned. Imaqtpie was also recently chat restricted.

I am just curious as to why they seem to be treated differently then other players.

They aren't.

Twitch is also streamed to a wider audience than your average chat log in an average league game. Therefore exposing the player to more toxicity from the entire community.

That's not really your problem though. You can choose to not be exposed to their toxicity, and anyone copying it ingame is doing so at a risk of getting punished.

SweetRainTv6/17/2018, 12:06:46 AM1 votes

As Streamer we treat equally just like Normal players, If Streamer int, troll, flame, threaten or harass people might get ban. We just get little support like Advertise on Client.

Tyler is the best https://clips.twitch.tv/PolishedFlaccidJellyfishDBstyle

Hyquiem6/16/2018, 10:09:34 PM1 votes

Well they think their favorite streamers are the best people to follow and they witness their pain. I doubt anyone ever looks at the pain of midlane.