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Pre-Game Report System: Why You are Losing Two Players

saucayness·4/11/2017, 12:13:10 AM·20 votes·4,830 views

I want to disclaimer my story with this: Please do not discuss why I shouldn’t play the game; instead discuss how you could make a better community for players. I am new to posting on boards and I in no way mean to offend anyone and I hope that this will generate a real discussion about toxic behaviors.

I will be telling two stories today; mine and my husbands. I apologize for the length of this post though I feel it is necessary as there is never a face put to the problem; now there are two. I am new to League. I am a bronze player and with all jokes aside, I understand I am not the most knowledgeable about the game. I do however, have a large amount of knowledge with depression and anxiety. I remember watching a video, one of the spotlights Riot featured about a boy who used league as his lifeline to handle his depression. This game was a way for him to deal with his stress. I wanted to believe there was a community of warm, generous, and loving people that existed in this game. I was highly mistaken. This is where my husband comes in. He has played league since season 2, he has put over 2500 hours into this game and well over a few hundred dollars, he’s been bronze and been high plat. I know I sound as if I am bragging, but I want you to understand how long he has been in this and how much has been invested in this for him. I decided to play support, since he was an ADC main it seemed the natural choice. Things seemed fun at first, playing with him was generally great. I learned what to do and we spent time together. Then ADC’s started to decline, they were useless and my husband wanted to try other roles. I was encouraged to play other roles as well. That’s when things become bad. Since I had played with my husband in a role he was great at, things were fine. When we played roles, we weren’t great at we got made fun of. At first it was just whatever but it progressed. I want to detail two experiences.

1 The Jungler

My husband has started learned top lane, myself mid. We haven’t played in a while since our main roles aren’t very good. We decided to play today, and today is the day we quit league. We get into champ select and all goes well, a little confusion for our jungler on not knowing who to pick. He settles on Voli. We get into game and I play Annie mid and my husband Riven Top. We aren’t doing bad, but not as well as we could either. It’s a normal game so who cares right? Wrong. We both separately asked for the assistance of our jungler and both times something goes wrong. I am not blaming our jungler, I want to make that clear. The ganks went south and I ended up dying as well as my husband when Voli attempted to assist us. The part that makes me angry is the comments that ensued. Voli says he’s “Just rusty” okay, it happens I am too. I picked Annie, playing into a Veigar, it’s not going well Veigar got an early kill on me and when our gank went south he got a second. I’m 0 for 2. Well, Voli pings me to go in I don’t. I’m low on mana and Veigar can one shot me at this point, it’s clear he knows what he is doing. Voli dies, and I get pinged, and pinged even more. Voli ask “Yo wtf why’d you do that” like somehow that was solely my fault, maybe it was. Who knows. The game ensues and, of course, Veigar is massively fed and we lose. Oh well. Post-Game screen the ADC, Cait, types “Thanks a lot Annie f-ing feeding the Veigar.” Reported. But It doesn’t stop there “Go back to bots you f-ing c-nt.” The report was sent but I know nothing will happen. No one came to my defense, no one else reported this person. Why should they? What’s their incentive too? I was bad, she is mad that I lost her game for her. What can they do to fix it? The report doesn’t make me feel better, doesn’t make me feel like I am proud to be a member of a community that allows this type of behavior.

2 The Pre-Game Champ Select

This followed exactly after the Voli game. I preface this with I know what I did was flat out WRONG. What they did was as well. I get to champ select with my husband. Okay blow it off, it doesn’t matter though I am still hurt at the awful things said of me simply because I didn’t win a video game. This is a fresh start though, I’ll try. I hover Corki, my husband Riven. Then, the ADC and Support who are obviously duo-ed together ban my husband’s champ, Riven. I type asking why as does my husband I say “Yo wtf, he had it hovered.” The support types back “Oh, did he?” and then bans Corki, who I have hovered. Next in chat “I didn’t notice.” I am furious how Is this allowed? How am I supposed to play with people who enjoy hurting others simply because it’s funny? So, I pick Janna and my husband picked Azir since the ADC had hovered Azir. Now they are angry, the jungler gets involved saying they banned our champs on “accident” it wasn’t intentional. Oh? I suppose it’s a trio makes sense as to why his champ didn’t get banned. Again, I understand I was in the wrong and I admit that. I should have picked another champ and moved on. We get in game since I am forced to play with these people or I have to suffer a dodge timer because I didn’t want to play with two people who enjoy hurting others for fun. In game they flame, I int, it’s a mess. They call me names such as “C- nt” “B-tch” and many others. One even said I deserved to die for what I did. Now, tell me is that okay? Is it true that I deserved to die because I picked a bad champion? Now, we both know it was intentional, but think for a minute? What if it wasn’t what if I was new and thought this champion looked cool, and wanted to try her? Do I deserve to die then? We get in post-game where I am called numerous things and one person even types “Go back to bots and then KYS.” Now, both me and my husband reported these people but who do you think will get a punishment? I know I got reported, it was made very clear by the three on that team. I was subject to rude and unjust comments simply because of two people wanting to be rude, Is that fair? Is that ok? I could have dodged yeah, and then got penalized for dodging. This could have been fixed. I believe if there was an ability to report a player before going into a game, then maybe I’d have been spared those awful things. And maybe, you’d still have two players.

I don’t want this to focus on who was right and who was wrong. I want to be transparent. I understand that I was in the wrong for acting how I did. I just wish that Riot would foster a community that supports helping instead of hurting people. I know I mentioned it before, but please think on this. A Pre-Game report system so that if something goes wrong, a good player doesn’t have to be penalized for not wanting to spend at least the next 20 minutes playing with people they don’t want to play with. I don’t know the logistics for it, or how it should work. I just think this. You ban a champion your team has hovered? Not Okay. You insta-lock a champion because you didn’t get your role? Not okay. Rude comments? Not okay. I believe if the MASS MAJORITY vote that you are not good to play with then you should be the one who “dodges” and gets a wait timer. That should be automatic. I know that having people qued makes this more complicated but I don’t have all the answers, just a suggestion. I hope this suggestion will not only allow for an escape in a situation you don’t want to be in, but also foster better behavior for players.

62 Comments

RiotRiot Tantram4/11/2017, 12:33:44 AM26 votes

Thanks for taking the time to write this up.

Your comments do not fall on deaf ears.

Luxs Destiny4/11/2017, 4:25:02 AM5 votes

Backstory was unimportant. Most of this post is fluff, emotional appeal with bias. The only points here were, "I'm leaving this game and want attention because I can't deal with others acting in negative ways," and, "I want you to bubble-wrap this entire game because I was called names and chose to take these names to heart." This entire post screams, "soccer mom," with the, "I want to speak to a manager," haircut.

You essentially forfeit your right to complain about what you are subject to when playing this game by acknowledging the report system, the mute button. As well as acknowledging that there is a choice; to play the game, or to not. You and your husband have chosen the latter. Which makes this entire post moot, as it only garners attention for someone who had their feelings hurt.

Lakker4/11/2017, 11:23:30 AM4 votes

What type of adults are you when you get offended by random online players and decide to troll back because you re butthurt. Honestly it is just a game. But everybody should consent the rules. It is not ok that they banned your champ but that does not justify your trolling. You 2 are no loss for the community since you have not shown any better behaviour. It is hypocritical how you made the game for the players who were not involved in trolling unfunny. Therefore you re part of the problem in the community. Greets

Kaioko4/11/2017, 7:21:32 PM3 votes

I personally don't get why pre-game lobby reporting hasn't been made available at this point. We don't even have to go into the logistics of deciding if a game should be dodgeable and how that will be fair, but it really isn't that hard to implement the same post game lobby reporting in the pre-game and allow for the IRP to take a look there.

To the OP -- I'm sorry you had to deal with that. I understand if you do not want to play. On the off chance that you do feel free to add me in game. Playing with premade friendly people always tends to go better.

ModPeriscope4/11/2017, 2:51:07 AM3 votes

I hate that that you've quit playing. I can tell by what you wrote that you're sincere about the community. You can only make the community better by kicking the bad ones and doing what riot can to keep the good ones (rewards, hex tech, and such). It seems like the community would be better with you than without.

It does seem like you weren't matched up with the right skill level, which always sucks when you're on the wrong end of it.

I don't know if it falls under hate speech, but c###? That's horrendous.

MisterSki4/11/2017, 12:15:53 AM2 votes

Don't be bad at the game and you won't get flamed it's really simple. Nobody flames the guy that goes 13/4/7 but someone will flame the guy that goes 4/13/7.

Nalisai4/11/2017, 1:04:38 PM1 votes

There IS a way to deal with this, but unfortunately it's a slow and painful process. After the match, right click the players name and then Block. (Legacy you had to go into add friend in chat, select and pick block). It doesn't help the immediate, but it helps weed out the toxic people in the future.

Part 2 - You do realize that as upset as you were, you responded by also being toxic, so that's a plus in your favor. This sort of thing happens - champs getting accidentally banned because someone is playing asleep or, admit it, high or drunk. The best advice I can give is to have a backup in place regardless of why. You never know when someone is going to randomly ban a fringe pick (WTF why'd they ban Sona?), so you should have someone else in mind anyway - maybe even 2 or 3 someones. Either that, or suck up the dodge. It's only 5 minutes initially, so unless you do it constantly, it won't stack on you and get ridiculous.

As for your 'noobness', we've all been there. I've been playing over a year now and I freely admit I'm still quite the noob. I don't let it stop me from having fun, blocking people who are ignorant, or using the mute button in game.

I DO suggest that if you aren't comfortable with your roster, use the new practice mode and bots to practice, abuse the free champ rotation to try out new possibilities, and as Ashe sings - 'Let it Go'. :p

Aptest4/13/2017, 1:19:55 PM1 votes

dear OP,

I don't want to be rude and tell you to act like the grown up that you obviously are. However this game is characterized by you having to get along with strangers and they are not always nice and for a couple of years now we can see that there's no magic way of making them nice.

I am assuming you can take it because hey you are married so obviously there's that life thing you can manage alright and I get your point this game should maybe be ok to be an escape from life and not a piece of controlled exposure to troll.

But that just is not how it works, some people are just jerks online and you gotta deal with them. I understand you don't wanna so you're taking your head out of the oven and that's fine. But it's important to understand that so far there isn't really any kind of solution. There's no policy that can be implemented that will completely 'de-jerk' the game.

Now with respect to this specific game that made you so upset. I do not understand your objection to dodging. I mean I get the idea of holding to the principle of objecting to being punished. What I don't get is why you get the idea that the case is you specifically being punished for not wanting to entertain a bunch of jerks.

or alternatively if your mindset is that you're gonna hold your head high and stand your ground because of your principles, why does this not also come with the fortitude to shrug off these petty insults?

I think you really could benefit from changing your mindset on this matter. I mean if you don't have this idea of you being punished for nothing and the whole situation being unjust, what is 5 minutes of drinking a hot cup of cocoa with your husband which you love, compared to 20 minutes in jerks-'R-us town?

So to you I propose the following mindset: Dodges are fine and free and if you don't want to play with a bunch of A-holes, don't. Now there's the sit-in-the-corner-cool-down timer. That's not punishing you. It's there to make sure other people don't dodge 24/7 to rig their games whenever they are against counters or with bad compositions or when Yasuo is banned.

You just have to sit it out for 5 minutes because some Yasuo OTP will dodge 24/7 if the annoyance timer isn't there. It's not you who is punished its that Yasuo OTP over there you just have to share in his annoyance because of a technical difficulty the system has in distinguishing you from him.

And you can live with it because the punishment is not severe, and ALSO because you want justice to be done to that A-hole Yasuo OTP that keeps making everybody suffer long queue times.

In addition, doing the right thing should not outright exonerate you of the consequences. I think doing the right thing is worthy of applaud. But so is paying whatever price this entails.

I offer you in addition this additional mindset for when you don't want to dodge: don't get mad. **Get even. **Get into the game of trolling harder than the other guy. They want to get a reaction out of you? make them rage and cry: It's FUN!

oh i don't mean it like this, but actually i do. make the game into a super fun time zone where you try out weird shit like support AP tryndemare with ghost and smite. And then rile them up in chat with such gems as "support trynd doing better than you" and "it's legit strat i saw it on youtube". Learning is fun. Chatting with your husband at the expense of these three mooks is also fun. Turning it all into a big joke is mega fun.

When you meet a troll, don't get mad. Get Even: be of the following mindset: I troll harder. I troll better. And im gonna have my good time... with you... ...or at your expense.