Pre-Game Report System: Why You are Losing Two Players

saucayness··20 votes·4,830 views

I want to disclaimer my story with this: Please do not discuss why I shouldn’t play the game; instead discuss how you could make a better community for players. I am new to posting on boards and I in no way mean to offend anyone and I hope that this will generate a real discussion about toxic behaviors.

I will be telling two stories today; mine and my husbands. I apologize for the length of this post though I feel it is necessary as there is never a face put to the problem; now there are two. I am new to League. I am a bronze player and with all jokes aside, I understand I am not the most knowledgeable about the game. I do however, have a large amount of knowledge with depression and anxiety. I remember watching a video, one of the spotlights Riot featured about a boy who used league as his lifeline to handle his depression. This game was a way for him to deal with his stress. I wanted to believe there was a community of warm, generous, and loving people that existed in this game. I was highly mistaken. This is where my husband comes in. He has played league since season 2, he has put over 2500 hours into this game and well over a few hundred dollars, he’s been bronze and been high plat. I know I sound as if I am bragging, but I want you to understand how long he has been in this and how much has been invested in this for him. I decided to play support, since he was an ADC main it seemed the natural choice. Things seemed fun at first, playing with him was generally great. I learned what to do and we spent time together. Then ADC’s started to decline, they were useless and my husband wanted to try other roles. I was encouraged to play other roles as well. That’s when things become bad. Since I had played with my husband in a role he was great at, things were fine. When we played roles, we weren’t great at we got made fun of. At first it was just whatever but it progressed. I want to detail two experiences.

1 The Jungler

My husband has started learned top lane, myself mid. We haven’t played in a while since our main roles aren’t very good. We decided to play today, and today is the day we quit league. We get into champ select and all goes well, a little confusion for our jungler on not knowing who to pick. He settles on Voli. We get into game and I play Annie mid and my husband Riven Top. We aren’t doing bad, but not as well as we could either. It’s a normal game so who cares right? Wrong. We both separately asked for the assistance of our jungler and both times something goes wrong. I am not blaming our jungler, I want to make that clear. The ganks went south and I ended up dying as well as my husband when Voli attempted to assist us. The part that makes me angry is the comments that ensued. Voli says he’s “Just rusty” okay, it happens I am too. I picked Annie, playing into a Veigar, it’s not going well Veigar got an early kill on me and when our gank went south he got a second. I’m 0 for 2. Well, Voli pings me to go in I don’t. I’m low on mana and Veigar can one shot me at this point, it’s clear he knows what he is doing. Voli dies, and I get pinged, and pinged even more. Voli ask “Yo wtf why’d you do that” like somehow that was solely my fault, maybe it was. Who knows. The game ensues and, of course, Veigar is massively fed and we lose. Oh well. Post-Game screen the ADC, Cait, types “Thanks a lot Annie f-ing feeding the Veigar.” Reported. But It doesn’t stop there “Go back to bots you f-ing c-nt.” The report was sent but I know nothing will happen. No one came to my defense, no one else reported this person. Why should they? What’s their incentive too? I was bad, she is mad that I lost her game for her. What can they do to fix it? The report doesn’t make me feel better, doesn’t make me feel like I am proud to be a member of a community that allows this type of behavior.

2 The Pre-Game Champ Select

This followed exactly after the Voli game. I preface this with I know what I did was flat out WRONG. What they did was as well. I get to champ select with my husband. Okay blow it off, it doesn’t matter though I am still hurt at the awful things said of me simply because I didn’t win a video game. This is a fresh start though, I’ll try. I hover Corki, my husband Riven. Then, the ADC and Support who are obviously duo-ed together ban my husband’s champ, Riven. I type asking why as does my husband I say “Yo wtf, he had it hovered.” The support types back “Oh, did he?” and then bans Corki, who I have hovered. Next in chat “I didn’t notice.” I am furious how Is this allowed? How am I supposed to play with people who enjoy hurting others simply because it’s funny? So, I pick Janna and my husband picked Azir since the ADC had hovered Azir. Now they are angry, the jungler gets involved saying they banned our champs on “accident” it wasn’t intentional. Oh? I suppose it’s a trio makes sense as to why his champ didn’t get banned. Again, I understand I was in the wrong and I admit that. I should have picked another champ and moved on. We get in game since I am forced to play with these people or I have to suffer a dodge timer because I didn’t want to play with two people who enjoy hurting others for fun. In game they flame, I int, it’s a mess. They call me names such as “C- nt” “B-tch” and many others. One even said I deserved to die for what I did. Now, tell me is that okay? Is it true that I deserved to die because I picked a bad champion? Now, we both know it was intentional, but think for a minute? What if it wasn’t what if I was new and thought this champion looked cool, and wanted to try her? Do I deserve to die then? We get in post-game where I am called numerous things and one person even types “Go back to bots and then KYS.” Now, both me and my husband reported these people but who do you think will get a punishment? I know I got reported, it was made very clear by the three on that team. I was subject to rude and unjust comments simply because of two people wanting to be rude, Is that fair? Is that ok? I could have dodged yeah, and then got penalized for dodging. This could have been fixed. I believe if there was an ability to report a player before going into a game, then maybe I’d have been spared those awful things. And maybe, you’d still have two players.

I don’t want this to focus on who was right and who was wrong. I want to be transparent. I understand that I was in the wrong for acting how I did. I just wish that Riot would foster a community that supports helping instead of hurting people. I know I mentioned it before, but please think on this. A Pre-Game report system so that if something goes wrong, a good player doesn’t have to be penalized for not wanting to spend at least the next 20 minutes playing with people they don’t want to play with. I don’t know the logistics for it, or how it should work. I just think this. You ban a champion your team has hovered? Not Okay. You insta-lock a champion because you didn’t get your role? Not okay. Rude comments? Not okay. I believe if the MASS MAJORITY vote that you are not good to play with then you should be the one who “dodges” and gets a wait timer. That should be automatic. I know that having people qued makes this more complicated but I don’t have all the answers, just a suggestion. I hope this suggestion will not only allow for an escape in a situation you don’t want to be in, but also foster better behavior for players.

62 Comments

RiotRiot Tantram26 votes

Thanks for taking the time to write this up.

Your comments do not fall on deaf ears.

GamblerOfLives6 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=c28m6jWE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-04-11T00:33:44.896+0000)

Thanks for taking the time to write this up.

Your comments do not fall on deaf ears.

both should get punished:). they broke the rules too:)..and now, they are mad, bcs they got reported (for a legit reason):))

Redeemed Vyrdaes8 votes

First game they didn't break any rules at all, they just had a bad game. And as far as the story goes, all they did was intentionally pick away champions. because theirs were intentionally banned. That's not inting, flaming, etc. It's just being petty. I don't think that's reportable.

GamblerOfLives2 votes

[{quoted}](name=xXx SoloOnly xXx,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=c28m6jWE,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-04-11T01:24:22.125+0000)

First game they didn't break any rules at all, they just had a bad game. And as far as the story goes, all they did was intentionally pick away champions. because theirs were intentionally banned. That's not inting, flaming, etc. It's just being petty. I don't think that's reportable.

there are 2 sides to a story.. why should i believe her, when she was inting in a game:)..and, in the first game. when you fck up a game..teh least you can do, is apologize for your bad game:)..it's not normal to screw up a game, and act as nothing happend:).

Redeemed Vyrdaes3 votes

That whole... ':)...' thing you've got going on is pretty unnecessary, but even then from what I can tell she's not saying she didn't do anything wrong. She admitted she didn't play her best because it was an off role and the first game of the day. >_>

saucayness1 votes

The point about the first game was simply it was a bad game, yet in the post game chat I got called numerous things from the adc who didn't speak all games as I can tell (had them all muted and normally do) and then gets to post game and flames me mostly as I had the most deaths and the others on the team simply because we lost. Nothing constructive, nothing to help, just that I was so f-cking bad I should literally die.

SideNote: Why is it that killing yourself is so freely used in this community; mostly low-elo from my experience

The second game I freely admit I was petty, yes. I should have moved on, but why is it that I am made to play a game with people who do this? Should I be forced to? Why do I need to be penalized with a wait timer for other's bad behavior? I just believe that those people don't deserve to be completely left alone simply because they didn't do something during or after the game. What they did was intentional, and toxic. There is no way around that. What I did was too, but the funny thing is the only person I know of who was banned was my husband. He's played for 6 years has hundreds of honors in all categories and never been reprimanded in the entire game, yet he got chat banned for 5 lines in the second game only. No email from riot no nothing, just that he got banned because a trio-que had the majority on us and we could do nothing about it.

saucayness1 votes

That's actually the point. I agree I should've been punished. I wasn't but my husband has played this game for six years has hundreds of honors in all the categories and was banned for 5 lines of chat in this one game. He was the only ban I've gotten notice of. I didn't get banned, the others players didn't as far as I know. I am sorry, but how come the one person who was in the least wrong got the most punishment. Those people the jg, adc, and sup were trio-ed and fully admitted it. What were we to do against them when banning came up? What was the other team to do? There was no justice in this at all. I believe that what I did was wrong and I should be punished. I also believe what they did was wrong and they should be punished. Instead its left to this process of they may be reported but probably not because they play with the majority of the amount of players they can.

GamblerOfLives1 votes

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That's actually the point. I agree I should've been punished. I wasn't but my husband has played this game for six years has hundreds of honors in all the categories and was banned for 5 lines of chat in this one game. He was the only ban I've gotten notice of. I didn't get banned, the others players didn't as far as I know. I am sorry, but how come the one person who was in the least wrong got the most punishment. Those people the jg, adc, and sup were trio-ed and fully admitted it. What were we to do against them when banning came up? What was the other team to do? There was no justice in this at all. I believe that what I did was wrong and I should be punished. I also believe what they did was wrong and they should be punished. Instead its left to this process of they may be reported but probably not because they play with the majority of the amount of players they can.

hmm

how old are you?? since you said you were married:).

HowPlayGAEM1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=c28m6jWE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-04-11T00:33:44.896+0000)

Your comments do not fall on deaf ears.

You have two examples of assholes in this very thread btw.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/c28m6jWE-pre-game-report-system-why-you-are-losing-two-players?comment=0006

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/c28m6jWE-pre-game-report-system-why-you-are-losing-two-players?comment=0000

Luxs Destiny2 votes

Shit, if you gon try n call me out, at least call me out directly? I thank ya for the thought, but, if I'm an asshole, I wouldn't want to not be an asshole. I was honest, I tore the post down to the bare elements. If that makes me an asshole, then, a-okay.

Zelorxon2 votes

Ahem, cowardness is one of the brand-traits of a league player, you should expect tricks like that.

HowPlayGAEM2 votes

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Luxs Destiny2 votes

Oh a direct kill yourself written eloquently! How fun. Thank you for thinking that the world would be improved without my existence. I appreciate the thought. However, your wishes are not to be granted, as your opinion is a grain of sand to my mountain.

Oh, by the way. Eloquence doesn't make things look better. It's a habit that will force others into frustration and rage.

HowPlayGAEM1 votes

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Oh a direct kill yourself written eloquently! How fun. Thank you for thinking that the world would be improved without my existence. I appreciate the thought. However, your wishes are not to be granted, as your opinion is a grain of sand to my mountain.

Oh, by the way. Eloquence doesn't make things look better. It's a habit that will force others into frustration and rage.

I'm jus bein honest babycakes

themachamp2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=c28m6jWE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-04-11T00:33:44.896+0000)

Thanks for taking the time to write this up.

Your comments do not fall on deaf ears.

....................but what is actually going to be done about it?

Zelorxon2 votes

Are you telling me that just because i'm a male and a lone fuck means that i automatically speak some sort of ancient chinese dialect we have lost all traces and isn't possible to translate anymore?

*complains in ancient forgotten language

Karunamon2 votes

There's no way to write this without sounding excessively snarky, so please understand that's not the tone it's intended in, but:

Are those non-deaf ears connected to the heads of people who plan on doing anything about it? We keep hearing about the player behavior initiative, but in day-to-day play, roughly a quarter to a third of my games still have toxic behavior in them, usually chat-based, but occasional intentional feeding.

I started keeping a spreadsheet of every game I play and will present it here after about a month or so, but the 25-30% number seems to be the general trend. Ranked only, the number goes even higher, about 40-50%.

It seems very much like the current approach of looking for "patterns" before taking any kind of action isn't working. The fact that reports seem to go into a black hole unless you happened to be the lucky last guy to get the "thanks" notice isn't helping that perception much either.

AMYS GRAVE2 votes

We've been saying it for years, we need a report feature in champ select. I've almost quit twice over the player behaviour systems in this game (or rather the lack thereof).

leaugesbane2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=c28m6jWE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-04-11T00:33:44.896+0000)

Thanks for taking the time to write this up.

Your comments do not fall on deaf ears.

yes they do i just had a bard admitting hes on his 30th account in 2 years. nearly 22 games straight toxic clowns walking in fountain for 20 mins feeders trolls toxic passive aggressive play styles. none of which want to actually play better. you have removed the first line of player behavior correction which is peer review usually takes to flaming. as a new person who was taught by some one who played 4 years ago ish i can honestly say from what ive heard the game is the same steam pile of garbage for the same reasons.

if you want toxicty to stop remove the chat or atleast give us a option to disable it.

i said chat not pings to many people in this game cant read so i have to stress it.

people 15 to 45 have all told me they refuse to play this gmae out side of a group of close freinds for the reasons ive stated above its the same story every time

Saturnalia91 votes

people 15 to 45 have all told me they refuse to play this gmae out side of a group of close freinds for the reasons ive stated above its the same story every time

This. Exact same reason. I never queue with less than one other trusted friend with me. Even then, the other 3 might still be toxic. Riot's party boosts were great, getting players to queue together for less toxic results. Perhaps this could be permanent, but for XP instead?

Also, this pre-game report system NEEDS to be implemented somehow; also a way to "dodge" a game due to bad player behaviour without penalty. There have already been hundreds of thousands, possibly even millions of reports about bots in ARAM and TT. If this system was implemented, people could leave champ select while reporting the offender WITHOUT getting a Leaverbuster and WITHOUT being forced to play with the offender.

In summary, the current system forces you to either get a Leaverbuster or to play with the toxic person/bot. There should be a third option.

saucayness2 votes

Since this says you are a senior software engineer, I feel you have the ability to answer these questions.

  1. Why has there not been a champ select report system implemented?
  2. What are the problems with implementing one?
  3. Why can't you essentially move over the post- game report system to champ select?

I understand that this type of system is not an easy thing to create, I in no way expect you to have all the answers, because if you did I am sure there would be a system in place. There is obviously something hard about implementing this as it has been asked for by the community countless times and countless ways.

Luxs Destiny5 votes

Backstory was unimportant. Most of this post is fluff, emotional appeal with bias. The only points here were, "I'm leaving this game and want attention because I can't deal with others acting in negative ways," and, "I want you to bubble-wrap this entire game because I was called names and chose to take these names to heart." This entire post screams, "soccer mom," with the, "I want to speak to a manager," haircut.

You essentially forfeit your right to complain about what you are subject to when playing this game by acknowledging the report system, the mute button. As well as acknowledging that there is a choice; to play the game, or to not. You and your husband have chosen the latter. Which makes this entire post moot, as it only garners attention for someone who had their feelings hurt.

Dancing Foxx10 votes

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Backstory was unimportant. Most of this post is fluff, emotional appeal with bias. The only points here were, "I'm leaving this game and want attention because I can't deal with others acting in negative ways," and, "I want you to bubble-wrap this entire game because I was called names and chose to take these names to heart." This entire post screams, "soccer mom," with the, "I want to speak to a manager," haircut.

You essentially forfeit your right to complain about what you are subject to when playing this game by acknowledging the report system, the mute button. As well as acknowledging that there is a choice; to play the game, or to not. You and your husband have chosen the latter. Which makes this entire post moot, as it only garners attention for someone who had their feelings hurt.

You are the type of person I'm sure she is glad she no longer has to deal with.

Nasty players have put me in a bad mood even when we win. Sometimes the ugliness of the people who play this game make me question whether I want to play quite often.

Luxs Destiny3 votes

I'm a very positive player. Most Saturday mornings I'll ask how everyone's week was and wish them a good morning, good day. I enjoy this game, I've always found it to be an enjoyable experience.

So if you're very sure she's glad she no longer plays with people who are understanding, patient, and playing to have fun, then, by all means, continue on that thought path.

Dancing Foxx8 votes

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I'm a very positive player. Most Saturday mornings I'll ask how everyone's week was and wish them a good morning, good day. I enjoy this game, I've always found it to be an enjoyable experience.

So if you're very sure she's glad she no longer plays with people who are understanding, patient, and playing to have fun, then, by all means, continue on that thought path.

Could have fooled me. All you contributed to this thread was mocking and belittling the OP. Based on this I wouldn't want to play with you as this is all I see from you.

Now we get to hear you self-congratulate over being a great person. Sure.

Luxs Destiny2 votes

When you make assumptions, you make an ass- out of -u- and -me. If ye'd like to continue to act as if you know someone from one post, and would want to avoid them due to it, then, okay. By all means, go ahead. If you're going to assume behaviors based off of a response to something that did not involve you explicitly, I would much rather avoid you as well. No need to feed your self-righteous attitude of, "I think they're unsavory, I am being the better person by avoiding them." It's absolutely no skin off my back if someone on an online game forum-esque community page dislikes me because I was blunt and forgot my sugar coating.

Dancing Foxx5 votes

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When you make assumptions, you make an ass- out of -u- and -me. If ye'd like to continue to act as if you know someone from one post, and would want to avoid them due to it, then, okay. By all means, go ahead. If you're going to assume behaviors based off of a response to something that did not involve you explicitly, I would much rather avoid you as well. No need to feed your self-righteous attitude of, "I think they're unsavory, I am being the better person by avoiding them." It's absolutely no skin off my back if someone on an online game forum-esque community page dislikes me because I was blunt and forgot my sugar coating.

You already made an ass out of yourself before we even got this far. I'd say to quit while you are ahead, but you never were.

saucayness2 votes

You do realize your being extremely toxic yourself. This is the type of behavior I am trying to stop. You've been downvoted most on this thread and while I respect your opinion I ask why is it wrong to take this to heart? Here are some facts I hope you take to heart.

Suicide is the SECOND leading cause of death for ages 10-24. (2015 CDC WISQARS) Suicide is the SECOND leading cause of death for college-age youth and ages 12-18. (2015 CDC WISQARS)

The mass majority of the player base in this game falls into those age groups, yes?

Depression is the most common mental health disorder in the United States among teens and adults. 2.8 million youth age 12-17 had at least one major depressive episode in 2014. (2014 NIMH) 17.3% of adolescents that had a major depressive episode in 2014 were female. (2014 NIMH) 5.7% of adolescents that had a major depressive episode in 2014 were male. (2014 NIMH)

again many people in the player base fall into those categories, right?

I'm not saying you should take things to heart, but words do hurt sir, even yours. I hope you take these statistics to heart and learn how to foster a better and brighter community than allowing these problems to go unanswered because your version of bubble-wrapped is others version of justice. I truly do not mean to upset you, though I find it alarming that when I asked in my post to focus on a better community and not on my behavior you felt driven to talk me down so that my comments were worth less.

Luxs Destiny2 votes

As someone with major depression and severe social anxiety, I'm well aware of the suicide rates and the affect words have on human emotions.

So if you'd like to assume that I don't take this to heart, that I haven't been subject to this type of behavior, then, by all means, do so. I was simply showing my point of view concerning your post. I know there was a request to look at a better community. I pointed out ways to remedy these problems, as well as what you have chosen to do to. Your behavior was disregarded, through the, "Most of the post is fluff, emotional appeal with bias." Afterwards, I went on to dissect the post and explain that there are solutions.

Terozu2 votes

Ok, your main problem here is your apathy, I've read this whole convos, and you make good points, but you could be a bit more empathic, and I will agree the OP was definetly not fully in the right, and furthermore doesn't seem to full understand how the report system works, as s/he specifically said that "no one else reported them". I am, of course, referring to the fact that a report simply flags a game, any and all further reports against a champ are ignored.

Luxs Destiny1 votes

I very much do have problems feeling the same as others who have not taken steps to remedy the situation. Empathy, for the sake of it, is normally not a problem at all. But I thank you for your input! I can definitely admit that I'm not perfect :)

AdeBug2 votes

Offtopic here, reading those numbers did not make sense. 17% female, 5% male, what were the rest of the adolescents? The general idea being a lot of young people suffering or having suffered a depression, myself included even if I'm not from the US, it's prolly 1 reason why so many people are affected by the kys suggestion in chat, pre, in or post game. And showing the troll that you are affected only feeds them and confirms the success of such an offense, basically aiding them in using it in the future. If it were a world full of dying pets, we would all be telling ppl I hope your dog dies a slow and painful death. So anyway, the kys being the trend right now, it is thrown around way too often and you should really take it VERY lightly, as it is too general and too impersonal and it will be replaced some day by the next gen, as 'fk u' and 'go fk urself' and 'fk yo mama' have been replaced, as well.

Ontopic, don't try to play right after a bad experience, and don't fight fire with fire. I'm no saint myself, I can respond in a toxic manner in my own defense at times, but have been heavily muting recently. Picking someone else's champ, on the other hand, is straight trolling and well... not ok. And neither is intentionally feeding. That's reportable and bannable.

Your suggestion for a pre game report system has been posted before, and I fully support it, it is definitely needed. I have also suggested at least a warning for those banning intent pick champs, cus I'm tired of those lame excuses like 'oh sry wasnt watching'. The troll should be the one dodging, not me. Because even if we do have other champs that we learned to fill that role, for one: the ban is wasted, and second: you're still stuck with a person clearly intending to ruin your experience.

Lakker4 votes

What type of adults are you when you get offended by random online players and decide to troll back because you re butthurt. Honestly it is just a game. But everybody should consent the rules. It is not ok that they banned your champ but that does not justify your trolling. You 2 are no loss for the community since you have not shown any better behaviour. It is hypocritical how you made the game for the players who were not involved in trolling unfunny. Therefore you re part of the problem in the community. Greets

ModPeriscope3 votes

I hate that that you've quit playing. I can tell by what you wrote that you're sincere about the community. You can only make the community better by kicking the bad ones and doing what riot can to keep the good ones (rewards, hex tech, and such). It seems like the community would be better with you than without.

It does seem like you weren't matched up with the right skill level, which always sucks when you're on the wrong end of it.

I don't know if it falls under hate speech, but c###? That's horrendous.

Kaioko3 votes

I personally don't get why pre-game lobby reporting hasn't been made available at this point. We don't even have to go into the logistics of deciding if a game should be dodgeable and how that will be fair, but it really isn't that hard to implement the same post game lobby reporting in the pre-game and allow for the IRP to take a look there.

To the OP -- I'm sorry you had to deal with that. I understand if you do not want to play. On the off chance that you do feel free to add me in game. Playing with premade friendly people always tends to go better.

MisterSki2 votes

Don't be bad at the game and you won't get flamed it's really simple. Nobody flames the guy that goes 13/4/7 but someone will flame the guy that goes 4/13/7.

This Is Your Dad5 votes

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Don't be bad at the game and you won't get flamed it's really simple. Nobody flames the guy that goes 13/4/7 but someone will flame the guy that goes 4/13/7.

Can you believe I went 21/3/7 as yi and still got flamed and reported because I was caught out of position 1 time near the end? Can you also believe that I was autofilled adc once and had a terrible score, like 1/11 something, but I pushed top tower to get away from my teammates, and I pushed all the way to the nexus towers while my team was fighting the enemy team in a stalemate and we ended up winning because I took advantage of the fact that everyone thought I wasn't going to do anything?

MisterSki1 votes

Yeah you picked Yi. He doesn't offer much other than ksing and splitpushing so back pats for doing what you can? I still think there were probably better options that offer your team more help.

This Is Your Dad3 votes

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Yeah you picked Yi. He doesn't offer much other than ksing and splitpushing so back pats for doing what you can? I still think there were probably better options that offer your team more help.

Well I mean, another game I picked yi and got a pentakill by myself and won the game soooo.... it's all luck mate.

MisterSki1 votes

Yes but the higher the ELO the less luck has to do with it.

This Is Your Dad3 votes

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Yes but the higher the ELO the less luck has to do with it.

I think damage done to towers and inhibitors is a huge thing to consider as well. Since you know, it kinda wins games :P

Redeemed Vyrdaes2 votes

Most games come down to the last two plays. Scores only give you a leg up in the last teamfight, they don't win you games. o/

Terozu1 votes

I have done this so often as teemo, when I'm doing good, I'm unstoppable, when I'm doing bad, they flat out ignore me while I bob in and out of their view shredding towers in seconds every time they even consider pushing, and by the end I've gotten full build and am unstoppable. Unless there's a pantheon. Fuck pantheon.

Nalisai1 votes

There IS a way to deal with this, but unfortunately it's a slow and painful process. After the match, right click the players name and then Block. (Legacy you had to go into add friend in chat, select and pick block). It doesn't help the immediate, but it helps weed out the toxic people in the future.

Part 2 - You do realize that as upset as you were, you responded by also being toxic, so that's a plus in your favor. This sort of thing happens - champs getting accidentally banned because someone is playing asleep or, admit it, high or drunk. The best advice I can give is to have a backup in place regardless of why. You never know when someone is going to randomly ban a fringe pick (WTF why'd they ban Sona?), so you should have someone else in mind anyway - maybe even 2 or 3 someones. Either that, or suck up the dodge. It's only 5 minutes initially, so unless you do it constantly, it won't stack on you and get ridiculous.

As for your 'noobness', we've all been there. I've been playing over a year now and I freely admit I'm still quite the noob. I don't let it stop me from having fun, blocking people who are ignorant, or using the mute button in game.

I DO suggest that if you aren't comfortable with your roster, use the new practice mode and bots to practice, abuse the free champ rotation to try out new possibilities, and as Ashe sings - 'Let it Go'. :p

saucayness2 votes

First Off thanks for the nice comment!

I understand that I was in the wrong, and get this, my husband got chat banned for coming to my defense and I didn't get banned. I think I deserved to get banned, not him. (He did say rude things but the ban literally consisted of 5 lines from chat from this 1 game only. Weird.) Anyway, I know I could mute and block and report them, I truly do. I just think it is sad that this mostly falls on the players to deal with toxic people. I think riot could change things a bit to at least make it easier. They have created an intense game that for the most part "new" players don't belong in. I can't tell you the times I've tried a new champ in a norm game and had someone check my op.gg page and go "lol bronzie go back to bots and die." I just think if we had a system that allowed for more rewarded positivity then it would be more proactive instead of reactive. I read a post on here not to long ago, about a guy who wanted to play but felt like there was no place for him to be. He was constantly yelled at for being a "nood" and etc. etc. I'm sure we've all heard it. I just think that if there was a way to help get this toxicity out before it happens then all is well. The only reason I know both those people banned our champs intentionally is because they admitted it in game and ranted about it and even said dude its just a prank bro. But in the future I think I'll just type all the lyrics of Let it Go in chat dude, lets be real.

Nalisai1 votes

Feel free to add me if you like, just know I'm only really on during the day, 9-2 ish. I play everything but top fairly well, so even if you guys duo bot, I'll find somewhere to fit in :p

This Is Your Dad1 votes

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First Off thanks for the nice comment!

I understand that I was in the wrong, and get this, my husband got chat banned for coming to my defense and I didn't get banned. I think I deserved to get banned, not him. (He did say rude things but the ban literally consisted of 5 lines from chat from this 1 game only. Weird.) Anyway, I know I could mute and block and report them, I truly do. I just think it is sad that this mostly falls on the players to deal with toxic people. I think riot could change things a bit to at least make it easier. They have created an intense game that for the most part "new" players don't belong in. I can't tell you the times I've tried a new champ in a norm game and had someone check my op.gg page and go "lol bronzie go back to bots and die." I just think if we had a system that allowed for more rewarded positivity then it would be more proactive instead of reactive. I read a post on here not to long ago, about a guy who wanted to play but felt like there was no place for him to be. He was constantly yelled at for being a "nood" and etc. etc. I'm sure we've all heard it. I just think that if there was a way to help get this toxicity out before it happens then all is well. The only reason I know both those people banned our champs intentionally is because they admitted it in game and ranted about it and even said dude its just a prank bro. But in the future I think I'll just type all the lyrics of Let it Go in chat dude, lets be real.

The bigger issue with the community is that people like them bully people like you out of the game, lowering the quality of the playerbase for everyone else. It's like a bully takeover. I do wish you the best.

HMS TERROR1 votes

i feel that the management enjoys it when people fight each other and dont focus on the game . cause that is the only reason why they are not doing anything about it . its been years and they havent fixed it yet . hard to understand when everything else is right and only this problem cant be fixed . i think most high ranked players like playing in that kinda environment . cause they think its fun that way . if they were serious about it then it would have been fixed by now . after game report system is a joke . cause you cant stop it when it really matters .

Aptest1 votes

dear OP,

I don't want to be rude and tell you to act like the grown up that you obviously are. However this game is characterized by you having to get along with strangers and they are not always nice and for a couple of years now we can see that there's no magic way of making them nice.

I am assuming you can take it because hey you are married so obviously there's that life thing you can manage alright and I get your point this game should maybe be ok to be an escape from life and not a piece of controlled exposure to troll.

But that just is not how it works, some people are just jerks online and you gotta deal with them. I understand you don't wanna so you're taking your head out of the oven and that's fine. But it's important to understand that so far there isn't really any kind of solution. There's no policy that can be implemented that will completely 'de-jerk' the game.

Now with respect to this specific game that made you so upset. I do not understand your objection to dodging. I mean I get the idea of holding to the principle of objecting to being punished. What I don't get is why you get the idea that the case is you specifically being punished for not wanting to entertain a bunch of jerks.

or alternatively if your mindset is that you're gonna hold your head high and stand your ground because of your principles, why does this not also come with the fortitude to shrug off these petty insults?

I think you really could benefit from changing your mindset on this matter. I mean if you don't have this idea of you being punished for nothing and the whole situation being unjust, what is 5 minutes of drinking a hot cup of cocoa with your husband which you love, compared to 20 minutes in jerks-'R-us town?

So to you I propose the following mindset: Dodges are fine and free and if you don't want to play with a bunch of A-holes, don't. Now there's the sit-in-the-corner-cool-down timer. That's not punishing you. It's there to make sure other people don't dodge 24/7 to rig their games whenever they are against counters or with bad compositions or when Yasuo is banned.

You just have to sit it out for 5 minutes because some Yasuo OTP will dodge 24/7 if the annoyance timer isn't there. It's not you who is punished its that Yasuo OTP over there you just have to share in his annoyance because of a technical difficulty the system has in distinguishing you from him.

And you can live with it because the punishment is not severe, and ALSO because you want justice to be done to that A-hole Yasuo OTP that keeps making everybody suffer long queue times.

In addition, doing the right thing should not outright exonerate you of the consequences. I think doing the right thing is worthy of applaud. But so is paying whatever price this entails.

I offer you in addition this additional mindset for when you don't want to dodge: don't get mad. **Get even. **Get into the game of trolling harder than the other guy. They want to get a reaction out of you? make them rage and cry: It's FUN!

oh i don't mean it like this, but actually i do. make the game into a super fun time zone where you try out weird shit like support AP tryndemare with ghost and smite. And then rile them up in chat with such gems as "support trynd doing better than you" and "it's legit strat i saw it on youtube". Learning is fun. Chatting with your husband at the expense of these three mooks is also fun. Turning it all into a big joke is mega fun.

When you meet a troll, don't get mad. Get Even: be of the following mindset: I troll harder. I troll better. And im gonna have my good time... with you... ...or at your expense.

saucayness2 votes

I want to thank you for a really constructive comment. I want to stress that I in no way think the game can be "de-jerked" I just don't understand how this is fair. Its not that I have a problem with dodging because I don't. The problem is that I am subject to the dodge timer and those people just get to keep going on with what they are doing with no punishment. Its the same principle of people being help hostage in champ select. They get put in a role they don't want, like support, and then insta-lock lee sin and take smite. That is Just not okay, because now someone has to dodge and they get away with it, or we have to play with a lee sin who is going to jungle because that's what he wanted, and there's nothing we can do about it until the game is over to report them.

The problem with getting even is that it can also be seen as trolling and I don't want to ruin my other team members game because one person did something that should be reported. Fighting fire with fire doesn't really work in most cases, and that actually got my husband chat restricted. I think it is wrong that there is no punishment for these people. and Riot consistently does nothing about it other than sending a generic email about using the report feature and being a good little summoner, and that's simply not okay. The upkeep of the community that they foster should not fall on the ever-changing emotions of teenagers. (Not that every player is one, but most players I know of are in the late teens early 20s). I believe that the ability to report someone shouldn't be given to you after they have caused as much damage as possible. Like being able to report someone is a privilege. The problem with dodging, is that Riot isn't even transparent about it. They say on twitter to dodge if someone holds your game hostage, okay so how do I report them? When I've sent in support tickets to report people they literally say there's nothing they can do, to use the report feature (Well, I can't do that if I dodge) and to not dodge as it breaks the rules (was posted about on Reddit a while back).

I don't want to de-jerk the game I just want it to allow for new players to be able to have fun in more than 1 in 10 games. I have found that league is only enjoyable if you are extremely good and high-elo, or if you play with a group of people ( 3 is the best I've found). I think I should be able to have an enjoyable solo experience, without being required to be emotionally hardened so that rude and down right disrespectful comments don't get to me.

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