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Shouldn't Ghosting/stream sharing be reportable? If not, can we disable links in champion select?

Tormentula·1/24/2018, 9:17:39 PM·2 votes·1,774 views

Recently had a ranked game where some streamer (won't say) linked his twitch in champion select. There was a dodge, and one of the guys that was on our side banned out all our hovers (+ vayne cause instincts.) and then practically followed him everywhere he went in the jungle, and bot lane went hard on us every time he even started walking up. Additionally somebody from his previous game also tracked him and steamrolled him in the jungle.

The game, as a result, was a hard stomp.

The worse part is I don't know which side is even reportable (if it is). The streamer who practically gave the info of our team away, or the people abusing it intentionally. Theoretically its the streamers fault for providing the information and the enemy team is just doing exactly what they need to do to win.

And we still have to be fair here; new streamers don't think about this.. Hell I've done this a couple times, but stopped because somebody did bring up the fact ghosting is a thing, good thing I never streamed ranked. There is no "Tip" or "warning about link sharing" that says "its not recommended to post your livestreams as you can be tracked and taken advantage of, costing not just your game, but the rest of your teammate's."

Is ghosting/stream sharing reportable? Can we please filter and disable links in competitive game modes? It should be well known never to link your twitch stream before a game begins (ghosting, distracting your team), but I don't see a reason why we even offer the option to post their stream pre-game (or in-game). i'm perfectly fine with post game advertising.

19 Comments

YerroFever1/25/2018, 12:29:40 AM3 votes

I too have seen people announce they're streaming in all chat at the beginning of the game and post their twitch.

One game in particular comes to mind because it was such a roflstomp. I think someone on my team watched their stream and knew the whereabouts of the enemy team. Although the person didn't explicitly say they were watching the enemy team's streamer, it was kind of hinted at that they knew much more info than the rest of us. Amazing calls on fights in jungle, great timing on baron and dragon, great enemy has vision pings, etc...

I would consider it crappy behavior but not necessarily reportable because the other team had provided the information to us and someone decided to use it. They didn't hack the game or use exploits. The streamer just was kinda stupid and gave out their info. For my teammate who was most likely watching the stream, I would just call it really unsportsmanlike behavior. For the person who posted their stream info... I would say they're just dumb. I understand they want viewers but wait until the end so that players can follow you in your next game and not have an advantage on you in the current game.

Kaioko1/24/2018, 9:23:58 PM3 votes

Honestly streamers providing the links at the game start should result in a warning and then punishment. People should still be able to post links as things like discord and others shouldn't be penalized for this.

I'm not playing league to get an advertisement about your stream or youtube channel or whatever.

OnlyYouCanHearMe1/24/2018, 10:36:48 PM1 votes

To my knowledge, neither one of those is reportable. Stream sharing certainly isn't. Players are allowed to share the links to their streams, and if they get ghosted enough times, they will learn that they can simply put a ghost-shield over their minimap, or a stream delay. While it's unfortunate that you lost a match because of their mistake, it wasn't because the player was deliberately trying to give the enemy team information about where he was, or where his team was.

And as far as ghosting, it's very hard to actually prove that someone is doing it. In fact, it's impossible for Riot to prove that, as Riot doesn't track outside streaming viewership. They would have no way of knowing whether a player happened to have a stream open on their computer at the same time. And all it would take is the person saying "I have really good instincts on jungle pathing." We all know it would be bullshit, but without proof, there's not really a way to definitively say otherwise.

If you'll notice, many of the newer high elo streamers who are playing with the more well-known ones always wait until the end of the match before advertising their streams. They never post it in the beginning. And that seems to be because they understand the dangers that can come with sharing that sort of information.

Kei1431/24/2018, 10:54:40 PM1 votes

Streams have a 5-15 second delay to them, so your bot lane getting played hard is pretty much just because they were better than you.

Telephone Booth1/25/2018, 12:14:53 AM1 votes

How does one guy ban all your hovers? Don't you only get one ban?

Edit: oh. Dodge, ended up on other team, told team,what your intents were. Nevermind, I get it now.

kevin heals you1/25/2018, 10:11:15 AM1 votes

while im in d2 and currently get matched with the highest view count streamers i can tell you this. them streaming the game has absolutely no fucking affect on the match and if you think so you are just looking for something to blame for why you lost.

Krigjer2/1/2018, 9:53:25 AM1 votes

Oh man, that just reminds me of when my 5-man in flex got stomped by a streamer. He linked it in postgame and left, so we clicked to check it out. I was still watching during champ select of the next game and noticed the picks were the same as in my lobby. We had matched against the exact same team.

When I told my friends and the other team realized it too (through all chat banter) they started begging their friend to stop streaming (through the webcam on stream), since we were all ghosting at that point. (There was too much delay to really make any plays, but they were all dicks to us in the previous game so we enjoyed making them uncomfortable in Twitch chat. Our rematch resulted in a rolfstomp and victory over them.)

About the topic at hand, linking a stream BEFORE a game seems like asking for griefing, especially with the threat of a dodge and being matched against someone previously on your team. And no stream delay? Tsk. But.. with how infrequently this may happen, I don't see them implementing an auto-detect service.

FOR JUSTICE1/24/2018, 9:29:29 PM1 votes

tbh new streamers do this because they want to rack up veiwers, but do this at their own risk. now, ghosting shouldn't be reportable, let alone because its the streamer that didn't wait till post lobby to post a link and therefore left themselves vulnerable. and that's not even getting into the complexities of how they would detect this in the first place.