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A toxic player should plead guilty for less punishment.

Pennysocks·Dec 28, 2017·2 votes·904 views

It has come to my mind lately that some people do regret being toxic. As human beings, we all experience outbursts of aggression and give in to our emotions that drive our actions to being non-player friendly. I feel that if a summoner knows that he/she will be reported for this, they should be able to report themselves so that if Riot does happen to punish said toxic player, they will receive a lesser punishment for acknowledging their actions did not follow the summoners code.

Edit 1: I understand this can be abused. However, if it was possible, riot should be able to see on average how toxic or not this player is. So if they report themselves while they usually never show toxicity, they should be given a warning or something along the lines. If it is overused though, they should be given harsher punishment or they cannot use their "get out of jail free card".

Edit 2: Racism and any forms of hate speech should have zero tolerance.

Edit 3: Verbal statements telling people to end their own lives should also have zero tolerance.

31 Comments

Umbral RegentDec 28, 20176 votes

No. Absolutely not. Giving more leniency to an already perceivably lenient system is a bad idea. More than that...

they should be able to report themselves so that if Riot does happen to punish said toxic player, they will receive a lesser punishment for acknowledging their actions did not follow the summoners code.

This concept is too easy to abuse. What's to stop people - particularly the horrendously toxic folks - from just reporting themselves every single game to ensure they don't get their just punishment? What's the point in reforming when you can just muddy your punishment with a half-hearted "I'm sorry" at the end of the match?

If people truly did regret their actions and their breaking of the rules, they'd accept their punishment with dignity and work to improve themselves after it.

PennysocksDec 28, 20172 votes

I made an edit I hope you will read it.

Umbral RegentDec 28, 20175 votes

Read it. Still wholeheartedly disagree. Why change an already effective system by adding something that, on the first pitch, is easily abuse-able, and even with caveats of further work and fine-tuning to prevent abuse - it hinges its entire effectiveness on people being consciously aware of their own toxicity.

I imagine, for the most part, regret only kicks in after consequence, not before it. I've seen a good number of people on these boards who don't even once in the midst of their chatlogs think they could be in the wrong, that they could suffer a punishment.

The system, as it is right now, is fine. Flawed, but fine. It puts no requirement on the reported player to initially be consciously aware of their own misbehavior, and (while it could use a fair amount of work in the reform department) generally kicks players in the right direction with the punishments.

And, I reiterate:

If people truly did regret their actions and their breaking of the rules, they'd accept their punishment with dignity and work to improve themselves after it.

Telephone BoothDec 28, 20172 votes

...People being consciously aware of their own toxicity. This line is a great point.

HalcyonDwellerDec 28, 20172 votes

Seems reasonable to me, you have even included a way of dealing with players who abuse the system. You have my support.

The Cream ReaperDec 28, 20171 votes

Yeah... I bet you'd be on board with an ideea like this...or any for that matter...

HalcyonDwellerDec 28, 20171 votes

And what is that supposed to mean?

The Cream ReaperDec 28, 20171 votes

[slayer-jinx-catface]

HalcyonDwellerDec 28, 20171 votes

You lost my respect already, remember? Your opinion of me is irrelevant.

And acting like you are in this thread certainly isn't winning you any brownie points.

The Cream ReaperDec 28, 20171 votes

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PennysocksDec 28, 20171 votes

I'm not toxic myself, it's just the whole tyler1 thing has given me the idea to make this post.

The Cream ReaperDec 28, 20171 votes

another tyler1 fan. that explains it

sigh

PennysocksDec 28, 20171 votes

I do not support tyler1's channel or his amount of toxicity. Do not assume things.

The Cream ReaperDec 28, 20171 votes

typically the people with ideeas to change the ban system who mention tyler1 are diehard fans looking for loopholes for their idol. assuming things is a given at this point

PennysocksDec 28, 20172 votes

Sigh... you're so narrow-minded. Stop using your head-cannon as fact.

The Cream ReaperDec 28, 20172 votes

you're so narrow-minded.

whatever you say

PennysocksDec 28, 20171 votes

I will say whatever I want on my thread :)

The Cream ReaperDec 28, 20172 votes

Funny thing is: you regret it after the punishment happens. If it you never got punished, you wouldn't give two shits.

So spare me...

PennysocksDec 28, 20171 votes

This is meant for those people who normally like to be friendly. I made a statement in my post saying that sometimes anger takes over. This is meant for those people who realized they made a mistake and admit to it even if they don't do it often. This is not meant for the casual toxic person.

The Cream ReaperDec 28, 20171 votes

i'd love to see how you can tell the diference since most people who are toxic in league are just fine irl

PennysocksDec 28, 20172 votes

Past reports, chat logs etc. Just past history can make the difference to find toxic out-liars.

The Cream ReaperDec 28, 20171 votes

in theory perhaps

the nitpicking required to do all that makes your ideea too complex to be aplicable for a game with 100+ million active players

PennysocksDec 28, 20172 votes

This is why it's only a discussion board. This is where you post ideas.

The Cream ReaperDec 28, 20171 votes

except you're in the wrong board for this activity

Umbral RegentDec 28, 20171 votes

While I disagree overall with OP's proposal, they aren't in the wrong board, and their idea isn't too complex, either. It's just flawed in a particular way that (to me), hamstrings its effectiveness.

The PB board exists for multiple reasons: Discussing player behavior, advising others on how to improve their behavior, and discussing the player behavior systems in place (like Honor or the IFS). This lattermost facet includes discussing ideas on improvements or additions to the given systems.

As for it being too complex - it really isn't. In this day and age with all the tech we have available, gaining player-relevant data is really friggin' easy. I mean, hell - the system can identify different biometrics for an account breach - how many times you click overall, personal playstyle, champion preference, and so many other factors.

So, surely, it can take the most basic of data (frequency of punishment, frequency of account markings, frequency of reports, other such behaviors, and so on) to compile a rough list of who's generally sportsmanlike and who isn't.

Honestly, I was (mostly) content with your initial comment in this particular string, since it did align with my own thinking, but you're being pretty ignorant outside of that one rational statement. I'd personally advise you to, respectfully, leave this post in peace. I don't see much in the way of constructive discussion coming from your recent comments.

The Cream ReaperDec 28, 20171 votes

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ModiDec 28, 20173 votes

sometimes anger takes over

Self control is a skill that one learns. Getting punished is a a hard lesson. If there was a "beg for forgiveness" window, then it would be at the first (and only first) punishment. That being said, usually when one is given a reprieve, the next transgression is handled with extreme consequences. Basically, if you want this to occur, you are going down to this system (chat related offenses only):

Punishment 1: 14-day suspension If the summoner pleads for mercy (aka clemency), they are reduced to a 25-game chat restriction). This may reduce their sentence, but essentially puts them on probation.
Punishment 2: Permanent ban. There is no appeal. There is no way to get a reduction. if you get here, you are done. That's it.

Adding any more leniency into the current system would inflict a player's negative behavior to more people unnecessarily.

zPOOPzDec 28, 20172 votes

The system already have built-in leniency for those who are normally neutral or positive to have a few mild toxic games without seeing any punishment at all.

If you regret your bout of toxic, you apologize to your team and ask for their forgiveness (and hope they don't report you) instead of trying to weasel your way out of your toxicity with minimal effort (report yourself).

If the team won't forgive you for your toxicity (still report you anyway), then you man up and deal with the consequences of your action.

d4rkshockDec 28, 20171 votes

Maybe it they just say some stupid shit in chat like they you disgusting n*gger/reffuge or say kys, the maybe but if they just start inting, no. If it doesn't directly affect the game,then maybe it can work but if they are running it down mid, dusco nunu, blue Shen or 9/11 corki (the ghost clense troll builds) then no they should not have that. I do remember that they had that when I was new to the game in s5 where I didn't really say something but then it gave me a warning the next time I logged in.

Icy Hot ShotoDec 28, 20174 votes

If people are spewing hate speech or telling people to kill themselves, they don't deserve a second chance at all. Which they already get if they've never had a restriction.

They don't need to be able to press a button and say "oh i'm sorry for being the lowest in humanity" and get away with it.

Pandemic PunchDec 28, 20171 votes

{quoted} Edit 2: Racism and any forms of hate speech should have zero tolerance.

Edit 3: Verbal statements telling people to end their own lives should also have zero tolerance.

Sure, but if Riot isn't consistent, we shouldn't be adding to an already extremely faulty system. We should be doing more to get rid of it.

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