I don't gank losing lanes...

monk3yrul3·Mar 25, 2018·3 votes·1,904 views

I'm just curious, but when did this become the thing? If you see a lane struggling isnt a gank supposed to help them? Im tired of this, "oh bot lane has two kills now so they're fed, guess im not ganking that lane," mentality. What do you expect your adc to do when that happens. Stay underleveled, dont farm, or just stay at base and do nothing? When it comes to late game now its going to be a team with a fully leveled team vs a team with a starved adc and support. Wouldn't it be more beneficial to help them come back from their slump while also dealing the "fed" teams lane a damaging blow to hurt them?

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AsterfixMar 25, 20184 votes

low elo junglers only care about their score as of late. I just made a post about it a minute ago. There's also this mentality of "they're already fed and you're already behind, might as well try to get the other lanes fed to carry you." Which is weird because I find the most successful ganks are the ones done to lanes that are pushed to the tower. I usually jungle as lee sin and my bot lanes are usually informed to allow them to push to tower so i can get an easy 2 kills. It never fails. 5 minutes in, our bot lane does some light harass but mostly last hits, the enemy bot lane spams aa's on the creeps to clear them out fast, my bot lane is backed to the tower, lee sin pops in and it's a double kill. Right after they walk back into lane i come bot again and kill one of them at least just to let em know it was me. The rest of the lanes i gank if they're having trouble but bot lane is my strategic setting because it gets me 2 kills over 1.

HavokDashMar 26, 20181 votes

Not just junglers, the whole game has become a Pissing match of losing games because people are too busy comparing who has the most polished kda. They dont care about thier team if it means there is any chance that it could cause a blemish on thier kda. If another lane is having a hard time because mid keeps ganking bot lane and mid laner wont ping MIA or come to help. Bot lane will die and the only response from mid will be "Use more wards then" Basically saying "If MY opponent leaves MY lane, and starts camping YOUR lane? well its not my problem anymore. And if you die, then its your problem.

People in this game have become so greedy, narcissist and self centered that as much as It IS a team game, I dont think it qualifies. everyone treats the game like a fking HALO FREE FOR ALL. Who cares if the team loses as long as one self entitled snot can puff out thier chest and go "Yeah but I got most kills, the rest of you are just trash" They will litterally ignore towers and dragons so they can chase kills for 30 minutes (while enemy focuses our towers) then turn around and go "How did we lose? I have the most kills. U guys r trash. Reported for inting"

AS I said before, IMO The junglers role is NOT to play your lane for you. They are there to help get the enemy BOOT off your throat. Allowing you to pick yourself up and make a comeback. But most junglers wont even consider any other lane, and I am seeing more and more junglers who wont even leave the jungle, but happy to blame the lanes for being lost due to an ACTIVELY GANKING ENEMY JUNGLER.

EL HAMSTEROMar 25, 20183 votes

some of the jungle streamers came out with this idea and have been spreading it. and it does make some sense.

gank a losing lane and it is riskier and even if it works you are giving gold to players who are quite possibly not as good as the other team anyway. and so they will continue to lose.

gank a winning lane and you have a higher chance of success and you are giving more gold to a player who is better than the other team, possibly a smurf. and they have a better chance to carry your team to victory.

EschetonMar 25, 20183 votes

People don't see the value of a shutdown kill.

Nex SeniumMar 26, 20181 votes

indeed they dont people are just dumb if they dont help that lane i mean id rather risk my life as a jungler to get the Shutdown gold with my bot lane fighting as well then letting them get free anything

FlyingRoboticCowMar 25, 20182 votes

I encourage you to jungle more because then you would see the junglers point of view. sometimes its not just that a lane is losing that makes it ungankable there is a long list of factors that can lead a jungler to believe that your lane is ungankable . and as for dealing a damaging blow to the fed teams lane if they are truely fed and kicking your ass the junglers not necessarily gonna be able to change that (especially in bot), in those cases the jungler doesn't wanna give up a triple kill and their buffs when they could just be helping someone else or taking an objective.

AsterfixMar 25, 20184 votes

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I encourage you to jungle more because then you would see the junglers point of view. sometimes its not just that a lane is losing that makes it ungankable there is a long list of factors that can lead a jungler to believe that your lane is ungankable . and as for dealing a damaging blow to the fed teams lane if they are truely fed and kicking your ass the junglers not necessarily gonna be able to change that (especially in bot), in those cases the jungler doesn't wanna give up a triple kill and their buffs when they could just be helping someone else or taking an objective.

I mean letting a lane get to that point is kind of on the jungler tho. If the bot laners give up a double then there's no doubt the rest of the laning phase is gonna be a struggle. Sometimes even coming down into the lane and pushing them off the wave can do wonders for the laners.

zPOOPzMar 25, 20183 votes

If you lose 2v2 with no jg interaction from either side, best not blame your jg and play safer. Even if you do lose with the other jg helping them, play safe under your turret and wait out laning phase.

I am a support main. Jg gank is nice, but if he doesnt want to come, no amount of begging or flaming will change that. I just learn to live with the situation at hand.

AsterfixMar 25, 20186 votes

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if you lose 2v2 with no jg interaction from either side, best not blame your jg and play safer.

I'm not saying I blame a jungler for me losing a 2v2 but it's kind of a junglers responsibility to support every lane. If the enemy has you pushed to tower and because they can outfarm you they're able to dive you and score a double kill there isn't a load of options for you. I don't even have problems with jungler ganks when I play in lane it's usually pretty even. I'm just saying in general. Sure it isn't his job to win your lane for you but like I said, even coming into lane to push the enemy team off the wave can really help out the laners.

TyrantGodBaneMar 25, 20182 votes

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archerno1Mar 25, 20182 votes

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Sorry but u are completely wrong. There is no value for the team in ganking losing lane and risk is too high and unnecessary. Lets say im playing top Shen into Fiora and im 0:4 already. Now you are playing Vi jungle. If you come top to help me and gank Fiora you know what will happen? Double kill for Fiora. Not to mention there is always threat of countergank and you will never win 2v2 if you have someone far behind with u.

Its better to focus on farming or helping other lanes. There is no reason or point in helping losing lane. There simply isnt. At best, if everything goes well, your focus on that lane will just make it even. But since you ate focusing that lane enemy jungler will focus other 2 lanes. So yes, you made one lane even, but now you are losing other 2 lanes.

TyrantGodBaneMar 25, 20181 votes

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Sorry but u are completely wrong. There is no value for the team in ganking losing lane and risk is too high and unnecessary. Lets say im playing top Shen into Fiora and im 0:4 already. Now you are playing Vi jungle. If you come top to help me and gank Fiora you know what will happen? Double kill for Fiora. Not to mention there is always threat of countergank and you will never win 2v2 if you have someone far behind with u.

Its better to focus on farming or helping other lanes. There is no reason or point in helping losing lane. There simply isnt. At best, if everything goes well, your focus on that lane will just make it even. But since you ate focusing that lane enemy jungler will focus other 2 lanes. So yes, you made one lane even, but now you are losing other 2 lanes.

then clearly you enjoy losing a lot. because you are condeming the game for no reason. A shutdown is a shut down. Again youd rather let the fed ADC fun amock and do nothing a bout it, Sorry but you are wrong.

Again you are the typical player that cares more for score then the game itself. You response proves that. What will your adc and support be in a team fight? nothing. they will be useless because they got NO HELP

AGAIN players like you refuse to listen. this topic and thread is about HELPING YOUR TEAM!!!!! youd rather say "fuck you" and then do nothing. You refuse to help for the sake of what? The enternal stalmate of Tops or the mage battle in mid?

archerno1Mar 25, 20182 votes

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then clearly you enjoy losing a lot. because you are condeming the game for no reason. A shutdown is a shut down. Again youd rather let the fed ADC fun amock and do nothing a bout it, Sorry but you are wrong.

Again you are the typical player that cares more for score then the game itself. You response proves that. What will your adc and support be in a team fight? nothing. they will be useless because they got NO HELP

AGAIN players like you refuse to listen. this topic and thread is about HELPING YOUR TEAM!!!!! youd rather say "fuck you" and then do nothing. You refuse to help for the sake of what? The enternal stalmate of Tops or the mage battle in mid?

You talk too much nonsense. Support is supposed to leave adc too and roam if lane is losing.

Junglers job is to farm his jungle. Whether he will gank or not is his choice. Losing lane should be abandoned. Its not worth helping them.

Also i dont think that you, who have been getting progressively worse with each season, are fit to tell people how game should be played.

Every higher elo jungler, every pro, even in LCS ignore losing lane and focuses on lanes that are ahead, which leads to victory.

In the words of Pants are Dragon from video above: Why should i help someone who sucks?

EL HAMSTEROMar 25, 20181 votes

well its the junglers call. some lanes are a lost cause.

if you are ganking for a losing player who is actually bad then you are completely wasting your time. even if you can get him a couple of kills he is bad. he is probably not going to know how to win the game or be useful with the gold you got for him. your time is better spent trying to get your good players more ahead.

HavokDashMar 26, 20181 votes

Yeah but there are some junglers who have this "my role as jungle doesnt start till after 6" mentality. They wont touch a lane even to spook untill they get ult, or long after 6. They wont even show up. wont help ease the pressure. Yet when the lane is pressured out of control and ends up being lost because they had no jungle presence, they will turn around and blame the lane. The enemy jungler could be camping the hell out of the lane, ganking frequently, and yet junglers like MasterYi and Warwick wont show up untill after they get ult. But if the lane is pressured and lost BEFORE 6 by an active enemy jungler. Ally Jg will still say "its your fault, Im not ganking ur lane, u fed"

When it is the Ally jg's fault they lost lane in the first place because they had no presence. The enemy KNEW they could push and camp the lane because they tested....and ally jg did NOTHING. So the enemy knew they could walk all over the lane

EL HAMSTEROMar 26, 20181 votes

ive definitely had times when i feel like its a super easy gank for the jg and get frustrated when he doesnt come.

the best advice on it that i have heard was 'its you vs everybody. play like you are all on your own and your jungler is Never going to come'

if you play with that attitude its a little bit easier to not get mad at your jungler. he is probably doing the best he can

Scary DoorMar 25, 20181 votes

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I mean letting a lane get to that point is kind of on the jungler tho. If the bot laners give up a double then there's no doubt the rest of the laning phase is gonna be a struggle. Sometimes even coming down into the lane and pushing them off the wave can do wonders for the laners.

It's not the jungler's job to win your lane for you. It's your responsibility. You need to assume that it's always going to just be a 1v1 and play accordingly. Rely on yourself first and your teammates second.

HavokDashMar 26, 20181 votes

Junglers job is not to play your lane for you, But junglers job IS to help get the enemy boot off your throat so you can pick yourself up and recover. I got out of a loss in bot lane where jungler had NO presence, did NOTHING at all. Left the enemy xayah/rakan to snowball, then blamed us for losing lane when enemies saw there was a free pass. Enemy jg Shaco comes down, Mid comes down. We lose lane quickly. But Our own jungler? Nowhere to be seen. And if you Want 1v1? Do the game a favor and uninstall. Go play Call of duty because that idea is BS on a TEAM BASED GAME.

Scary DoorMar 26, 20181 votes

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Junglers job is not to play your lane for you, But junglers job IS to help get the enemy boot off your throat so you can pick yourself up and recover. I got out of a loss in bot lane where jungler had NO presence, did NOTHING at all. Left the enemy xayah/rakan to snowball, then blamed us for losing lane when enemies saw there was a free pass. Enemy jg comes down, Mid comes down. We lose lane quickly. But Our own jungler? Nowhere to be seen. And if you Want 1v1? Do the game a favor and uninstall. Go play Call of duty because that idea is BS on a TEAM BASED GAME.

That depends. if you're woefully behind the jungler cannot (given how League has far too much damage these days) come and help you, it's an automatic double-kill----even best case scenario is one that is highly risky.

Never gank a losing lane is a pretty solid philosophy that I learned back in Season 2, back then it was actually possible to gank for a lane slightly behind, but now it's just Russian Roulette, why go for a high risk, low-reward play when you go to another lane and secure an easier kill/objective?

TyrantGodBaneMar 25, 20181 votes

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EL HAMSTEROMar 25, 20181 votes

its not true. watch pants are dragon. he is successful jungler at challenger level and he will ignore losing lanes very regularly to focus on one who he believes can carry the game.

https://youtu.be/3lwSeruoJlk?t=296

Nex SeniumMar 26, 20181 votes

Pants is an over rated jungler no one even focuses on him anymore hes a washed out hasbeen just like NB3

SolicitudeMar 25, 20181 votes

There are 2 kinds of "losing lanes". The one where its a bad match up and the enemy pushes and gets priority and the one where the enemy has gotten 2-3 kills and is extremely ahead. On the first case, its easy and a jungler should gank to relieve some pressure and possibly get a kill. On the other hand, if the enemy has kills and is a lot gold ahead, then every gank you do there has low possibility for success, the most possible scenarios is either the enemy survives and continues to put huge pressure or he gets more kills. And even if you manage to kill him, it wont make much of a difference. And in the bot lane, ganking when the enemy is far ahead in gold with kills is even more risky. Its not only the gold from the kills, its also the gold from the cs, cause a winning lane in general will get more cs and a death will only grow the gap, and its also the difference in levels, which is a big difference. Also, if the enemy jungler is close, its 100% a lost fight and more kills to the winning lane. And its way better for the jungler to make safer ganks on other lanes.

If you are on a bad match up and you give early kills, its your fault for getting so far behind and for giving any potential ganks a low success rate. And you shouldnt blame your jungler for avoiding your lane. Instead of trying to fight and give free kills, rather turret hug, play and build defensively. And if you push and get camped and give kills its also your fault because, probably, you are pushing without vision. Ive played in both losing and winning match ups. In losing match ups i just hug turret, build defensively and wait for the enemy to gank, so im not giving free kills. But, honestly, if im in a winning lane and have some kills, whenever the enemy jungler comes to gank, i laugh, he is coming to give me one free kill at least. And even if i get killed, it means my team is going to get something else for free and it wont make me lose the top lane anyway.

RaoulMar 26, 20181 votes

honestly, if you want to win, just camp botlane and get your ADC ahead while tanking the enemy ADC out of the game.

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