I don't gank losing lanes...

monk3yrul3·3/25/2018, 6:43:47 AM·3 votes·1,904 views

I'm just curious, but when did this become the thing? If you see a lane struggling isnt a gank supposed to help them? Im tired of this, "oh bot lane has two kills now so they're fed, guess im not ganking that lane," mentality. What do you expect your adc to do when that happens. Stay underleveled, dont farm, or just stay at base and do nothing? When it comes to late game now its going to be a team with a fully leveled team vs a team with a starved adc and support. Wouldn't it be more beneficial to help them come back from their slump while also dealing the "fed" teams lane a damaging blow to hurt them?

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Asterfix3/25/2018, 7:18:29 AM4 votes

low elo junglers only care about their score as of late. I just made a post about it a minute ago. There's also this mentality of "they're already fed and you're already behind, might as well try to get the other lanes fed to carry you." Which is weird because I find the most successful ganks are the ones done to lanes that are pushed to the tower. I usually jungle as lee sin and my bot lanes are usually informed to allow them to push to tower so i can get an easy 2 kills. It never fails. 5 minutes in, our bot lane does some light harass but mostly last hits, the enemy bot lane spams aa's on the creeps to clear them out fast, my bot lane is backed to the tower, lee sin pops in and it's a double kill. Right after they walk back into lane i come bot again and kill one of them at least just to let em know it was me. The rest of the lanes i gank if they're having trouble but bot lane is my strategic setting because it gets me 2 kills over 1.

Escheton3/25/2018, 10:20:20 AM3 votes

People don't see the value of a shutdown kill.

EL HAMSTERO3/25/2018, 7:14:49 AM3 votes

some of the jungle streamers came out with this idea and have been spreading it. and it does make some sense.

gank a losing lane and it is riskier and even if it works you are giving gold to players who are quite possibly not as good as the other team anyway. and so they will continue to lose.

gank a winning lane and you have a higher chance of success and you are giving more gold to a player who is better than the other team, possibly a smurf. and they have a better chance to carry your team to victory.

FlyingRoboticCow3/25/2018, 7:12:22 AM2 votes

I encourage you to jungle more because then you would see the junglers point of view. sometimes its not just that a lane is losing that makes it ungankable there is a long list of factors that can lead a jungler to believe that your lane is ungankable . and as for dealing a damaging blow to the fed teams lane if they are truely fed and kicking your ass the junglers not necessarily gonna be able to change that (especially in bot), in those cases the jungler doesn't wanna give up a triple kill and their buffs when they could just be helping someone else or taking an objective.

Solicitude3/25/2018, 10:18:45 AM1 votes

There are 2 kinds of "losing lanes". The one where its a bad match up and the enemy pushes and gets priority and the one where the enemy has gotten 2-3 kills and is extremely ahead. On the first case, its easy and a jungler should gank to relieve some pressure and possibly get a kill. On the other hand, if the enemy has kills and is a lot gold ahead, then every gank you do there has low possibility for success, the most possible scenarios is either the enemy survives and continues to put huge pressure or he gets more kills. And even if you manage to kill him, it wont make much of a difference. And in the bot lane, ganking when the enemy is far ahead in gold with kills is even more risky. Its not only the gold from the kills, its also the gold from the cs, cause a winning lane in general will get more cs and a death will only grow the gap, and its also the difference in levels, which is a big difference. Also, if the enemy jungler is close, its 100% a lost fight and more kills to the winning lane. And its way better for the jungler to make safer ganks on other lanes.

If you are on a bad match up and you give early kills, its your fault for getting so far behind and for giving any potential ganks a low success rate. And you shouldnt blame your jungler for avoiding your lane. Instead of trying to fight and give free kills, rather turret hug, play and build defensively. And if you push and get camped and give kills its also your fault because, probably, you are pushing without vision. Ive played in both losing and winning match ups. In losing match ups i just hug turret, build defensively and wait for the enemy to gank, so im not giving free kills. But, honestly, if im in a winning lane and have some kills, whenever the enemy jungler comes to gank, i laugh, he is coming to give me one free kill at least. And even if i get killed, it means my team is going to get something else for free and it wont make me lose the top lane anyway.

Raoul3/26/2018, 10:58:46 AM1 votes

honestly, if you want to win, just camp botlane and get your ADC ahead while tanking the enemy ADC out of the game.

ModJikker3/26/2018, 3:23:35 PM1 votes

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This thread doesn't really belong in Player Behavior since it is more discussing whether you should ignore or gank a losing lane as a jungler. That sort of discussion is better suited to Gameplay. I'm gonna go ahead and lock this thread up, but feel free to recreate this discussion over in Gameplay.

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