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level 6 and I am appalled with the attitudes that I have been exposed to in League Riot PLEASE READ

maxtherag··261 votes·17,195 views

I'm very new to this game, but already I have ran into people that say the most cruel things I could ever imagine. I was told that "It was good that my parents left me as a baby because I was already so retarded that they didn't want their stupidity to make me any worse". Now as someone who has lost their mother to cancer only a year ago, this is absolutely Intolerable. What was even worse was, the child (I can only imagine a child being so cruel) that was saying this to me had a friend in chat. After I told him "You're being very disrespectful" and asked the enemy team to report him, His buddy went into all chat and told them i was lying, and to report me. I know that my account is safe, but its knowing that this guy can continue to harass people.He will continue for sometime forward until enough people report him that Riot takes a look. I understand that people shouldn't get banned for the occasional slip up, but this child Assailed, Belittled, and impugned, my friend and I for a solid 25 minutes. If a Riot employee reads this I invite you to go into my match history, find the game where i played Katrina, and just read the chat please. It's even worse when I consider the fact that he is probably a smurf and doesn't even care if he gets banned. If the attitude of the boy continues to be the stereotypical attitude of League of Legends, I'm afraid that this game is simply to far gone, and I will cease to play. Thank you all for your time. Goodnight

ATTENTION: Thank you all for your support, but lets not let this die here. This is a Very Very Relevant problem for the league community we need to get more peoples attention here. I would really appreciate an upvote to try and get some more opinions and possible solutions. Thank you all again - Maxtherag

247 Comments

ADepressedLeona55 votes

Honestly, Riot is trying to combat this as best they can. But the issue is they're outnumbered several thousand to 1. Not only that, but even if the person harassing does get banned, there's nothing stopping them from just making another account (One of the many reasons I think this game should be restricted to one account only) It's sad, but that's the reality of it

It is completely impossible for Riot to snuff out toxic behavior entirely. But I believe this is where us players come in, we need to counter act this toxicity with kindness (Sounds cheesy, but it's true) I'll also admit that I'm not perfect, there have been plenty of times where I have lost my cool because I play when I'm not feeling 100%, or if multiple people gang up on me verbally. But I'm trying my hardest every day to improve and just be nice. If people aren't nice to me, I mute them instantly now, instead of letting them push me to the point where I explode.

Axis the Dragon10 votes

The problem is... how do you restrict to one account? Tracking e-mail addresses doesn't work, same thing with location/IP Address (especially for people that play in Libraries and such). I'm not too well versed in this domain so idk what could work, but I don't see what solution Riot could implement.

Hypochondria93 votes

Making accounts cost money might help the problem. Make Coop vs AI free so players can still join and get a feel for the game, but you pay to unlock pvp.

T RexHasTinyArms7 votes

Then the game would fundamentally change though. I like skins and stuff and am completely willing to pay for them, but never would have started playing this game if it cost money. I think if they changed it to be that way even if I lost the money I have spent on this game (bc after the amount of time it's amused me I thought I should support it) I'd still probably quit if they made accounts cost money rather than paying riot being a voluntary action. I think a lot of other people would too.

junglerboy1635 votes

Asking the enemy team to report someone is actually against the summoner's code (it's something most people actually tend to report in return)

Also, don't assume that it was a child saying that to you, many of the people who play this game and behave like absolute trash towards other players are 20 somethings who know that internet anonymity gives them much more freedom to be jerks to everyone else.

Yes, it was probably a smurf, they are almost exclusively jerks like that when you are below around level 25, after that, everything is not nearly as toxic.

TL;DR: of this is use the mute option, report them, don't ask others to report them, don't assume they are children (most of them aren't), and lastly, toughen up a bit. Being called names and told hateful things by some random stranger should be totally meaningless to you. They don't know you, they don't know how good or bad a person you are, they don't know any hardships you've faced, their opinion is literally meaningless to your life, and you shouldn't give them the power to make their opinions matter. You are who you've grown up as, not whatever trash they say about you. It's not like you are hearing this spite from a trusted friend or a family member who's ashamed of you. Saying this game is a lost cause because of some random jerks saying hurtful things to you is like saying you'll never go to New York City ever again because a homeless guy on a street corner said you were an idiot and deserved to die in a hole. It simply doesn't stack up. I'm not saying the vitriol that these guys were saying wasn't crude, offensive, or that it was not deserving of punishment, I'm just saying it is only as hurtful as you allow it to be, and letting it just roll off your back is the easiest way to overcome it.

I really sympathize with you a lot, I've had a lot of personal struggles as well (although nothing as severe as the loss of a parent, I offer my deepest condolences), and When I just started League it was easy to let the vile spew of the smurfs make me feel bad, but I am confident that you can also overcome it with relative ease, not by "accepting it" as an inevitability, but by knowing it is nothing more than the idle chatter of thoughtless fools.

frigginmurlocs61 votes

Your TL;DR is longer than the rest of your post

junglerboy162 votes

Yeah, I noticed that after I posted it.

PeponiPoro3 votes

you have valid points, but that is all the people who looked at ur comments prolly noticed... this community(actually all communities)tend to glance over long posts

Transgressor22 votes

Your correct usage of 'than" pleases me IMMENSLY. Thank you, kind internet stranger.

Archon X23 votes

don't tell other people to report, just you reporting is sufficient

also if you press tab, there's a button to press to mute people

maxtherag18 votes

Thank you for the information I will be sure to use it in the future. Thank you!

Kao Atlantis19 votes

As you get further up in the levels and get better at playing, it gets a lot better. I rarely encounter people that are toxic in my games anymore. It sucks when people are toxic, but the best thing you can do is what Archon X says, mute them. Just make sure you remember to report them at the end.

maxtherag6 votes

I will certainly attempt to mute the toxic players in the future, nevertheless I don't feel that I should have to tolerate behavior such as this. I shouldn't have to diminish my game play experience, to cater to the toxic fraction of the community.

Hyrum Graff5 votes

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I will certainly attempt to mute the toxic players in the future, nevertheless I don't feel that I should have to tolerate behavior such as this. I shouldn't have to diminish my game play experience, to cater to the toxic fraction of the community.

  1. My personal advice is to use the mute button liberally. Honestly especially at pre-30, there is absolutely nothing gameplay-wise that needs to be said; pings are 100% sufficient (hit control or alt, then click and drag, or just click). So if you even think someone might be about to go off the hook at you, jute mute them, no harm done. And obviously report if you see anything happen.

  2. Agreed that you should not need to tolerate, but unfortunately this is just how some people are right now. Riot's working to change it, but it takes time.

  3. Rest assured that as you get higher leveled and more skilled, toxicity decreases. Just because the players who ARE toxic get banned before they make it that far :)

Focus Teemo3 votes

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As you get further up in the levels and get better at playing, it gets a lot better. I rarely encounter people that are toxic in my games anymore. It sucks when people are toxic, but the best thing you can do is what Archon X says, mute them. Just make sure you remember to report them at the end.

Meh, i don't know about that. You're going to run into a toxic player every couple games regardless of levels. Sometimes you just have to forgive them, or mute them.

humphreydump14 votes

i saw this comment earlier and saw a pattern most of my bad experiances with league was in the 15 first levels , what im thinking is its people creating multiple accs just to harrass others into making league a worse place granted there are some lvl 30s and some even plat and diamond players with bad attitudes but they are much fewer than what i saw when i first started so my best advice ignore report and keep chugging along be the bigger person and use that mute button!

nerak237 votes

Hi :) so sorry to read about your experience thus far. There are some very nice people who play league and I hope you find some more friends to play with to help you along the way.

I believe Riot is on the way to helping this problem, with the new punishment system things may get dicey for a time but I think after it is in place it will substantially help this problem. Players will either conform or be perma-banned...even if they make new accounts they will quickly either play by the rules or get suspended again.

Please give it some time :)

maxtherag7 votes

I will certainly not be quitting after just a few experiences like this, but I'm afraid, if this attitude is perpetuated through multiple of my upcoming games, I would rather spend my time not being verbally attacked. I am sure, however, that there are some very kind people that belong to this community. That being said, I do not foresee that the influence of the amiable could possibly outweigh the impact of the callous. I will be giving League a long grace period, and I sincerely hope that I can be proven wrong about this game.

Randomonium7 votes

Did you report them? If not please do in the future, Riot bans people for these offenses.

I'm sorry you've had such a bad experience. Riot really does try to combat this behavior but its very hard because the game is free and anyone, even those who have been banned before, can make an account in a matter of minutes. These scum of league frequently occupy low level games because their accounts get banned over and over and they have to keep making new ones. There are definitely still toxic people once you hit level 30 but its much less prevalent. I'd recommend mainly playing in bot games until you reach level 30 to avoid as many of these troglodytes as you can.

Also, I'd recommend you use the mute button if people are harassing you. You can access it in the TAB menu or by typing /mute [player name]. Alternatively, you can mute everyone by typing /mute all.

Skystrike72 votes

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Did you report them? If not please do in the future, Riot bans people for these offenses.

I'd recommend mainly playing in bot games until you reach level 30 to avoid as many of these troglodytes as you can.

No no no. Do not play bots until level 30. Bots are poor substitutes for pvp in this game, you can only learn a very small amount of the game while playing bots, as all else you learn does not apply to pvp. You would be harassed for being total crap at the game, which you 99.9999% likely would be if you only played bots. You nees to play against players if only because if you are the best on the team, theres a kind of respect and nobody wants to p*** off the guy that might be ableto carry their sorry butts through the game.

Randomonium2 votes

If it's a choice between quitting the game or playing bots to avoid toxic people I still think playing bots is the right call. There will be plenty of time to learn pvp once the OP gets to 30

Skystrike72 votes

Ok, maybe there WILL be time to learn pvp after 30, but think. How would YOU feel, if you were in your promos, for a fresh lvl 30 doing provisionals who got to 30 by beginner bots to show up on your team. The point is, while he could learn pvp, his team would likely be pissed. I know people that played too much bots to level up, and they are a whole new level of bad. They just don't understand the interaction with the enemy; in bots, matchups mean nothing; in bots, you win no matter HOW many kills you feed; in bots, you don't learn that some item builds suck because you always win no matter what. I believe I have lost but 2 bot games in my life, one being doom bots and one being a joke surrender that actually went through. Point is, bots would be bad for the,people that have to put up with him.

Randomonium4 votes

OP doesn't need to go right into ranked once he reaches 30. When I first started I played bot games until around level 25 and then I did normal pvp games until I reached 30 and for several hundred games after that. Yeah it takes longer but its way more enjoyable than quitting because of nasty people.

Magearna2 votes

Same. This is more or less what I did. Someone who got me into the game wisely suggested that until I had 300 (or was it 500) normal wins to not even touch ranked. I listened to them and to this day, I thank them for that advice.

But I salute people who go into ranked once they reach 30. That takes guts.

Billybaroo23147 votes

I'm sorry, but it does not get better as you go up in level. The toxicity of this community is absolutely terrible. I have over 600 ranked games in this season, and Elo hell of bronze the attitudes are totally out of control. People have NO reason to stop acting as children because THEY DO NOT BELIEVE that riot will ban them, or riot is banning people. I'm sorry that you ran into a person of such low character, I know the feeling. Btw just saying to MUTE people is part of the problem. We ignore it and thus condone their behavior because people won't report them because NO ONE BELIEVES THAT RIOT WILL DO ANYTHING. I'm sorry, but that is the way it appears to me, when you have people using hate speech, and racist comments and their response is "go ahead report me, nothing will happen". That is what people think and believe. I'm with the poster and about done with the game and it's toxic community of trolls, and bots, and just the 2 year olds that think they are cute with comments like the poster stated and their response is "you mad bro" or "calm down" or "f---- you" because they do not feel any reason to change their behavior because Riot won't. I spent real money on this game and believe me I am the person riot wants to stay in the game, but I'm about done. I really hope they fix some of the issues but after this season (my first real one) I'm almost thinking a few other games will get my money and my attention. Sorry to hear about the bad luck, but IT DOESN'T GET ANY BETTER.

nerak236 votes

I will certainly not be quitting after just a few experiences like this, but I'm afraid, if this attitude is perpetuated through multiple of my upcoming games, I would rather spend my time not being verbally attacked. I am sure, however, that there are some very kind people that belong to this community. That being said, I do not foresee that the influence of the amiable could possibly outweigh the impact of the callous. I will be giving League a long grace period, and I sincerely hope that I can be proven wrong about this game.

I truly hope you can have some great positive times with this game :) I also want to thank you for putting this Thread up as I hope it draws attention to some problems still going on in a Great game. But, as I said I really believe Riot is on track to fixing many problems and best of times in future :)

nerak236 votes

It Isn't Riots responsibilityy to sensor all the chats of all the games. It's not Riot's Job to keep everything all prissy and fluffy so that it is not to hurt your feelings. It's because of pusssies like you that this game sucks now. Dunkey had it Right man. If you dont like people sayinjg you suck TRY NOT SUCKING. IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TOXICS THEN QUIT CAUSE WE AAINT LEAVING!!!!!!!

What a great response ! If You can't handle be a decent person then you should think of joining your on-line hero and just quitting the game... Nasty comment to make !!

Your the one who is overly sensitive if you feel like you have to be a dick to play the game. Thanks for the comment and reminding me how happy I am that the streamer quit league lol

chazzykyle1 votes

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junglerboy164 votes

Just because I can take the heat doesn't make the guy lighting me on fire with the pastry torch any more deserving of being in the kitchen. If you can't handle getting called out, maybe you shouldn't give us so much to call you out on in the first place.

Also, you have no idea what you're talking about with this freedom of speech stuff. You aren't allowed to say that kind of crap to or about people for the same reasons that it's illegal to yell "FIRE!" in a crowed movie theater or "I HAVE A BOMB!" when you're riding a jetliner airplane. Freedom of expression is not limitless, and people have gotten jail time for saying less offensive things than what you think you have a right to say. Get your facts straight and stop being so arrogant. If you actually knew what you were talking about, we might take you seriously.

StoryDuck5 votes

I've said it before, and I will say it again. Players that earn honor, teamwork, and friendliness badges that are of a sufficient rank should be able to enter a "Mentor" mode to help new players and identify poisonous players to create a friendly environment for those looking to explore LOL as a form of entertainment. There are far too many low ranked players trying to make "new" accounts thinking that a new account will let them have better MMR but they are just that bad and won't admit it. Actual honest players that understand kindness and that new players do not understand the jungle, don't know what ADCs are, and always chance the Singed. Instead of flaming new players the mentors would be there to help our newer patrons learn and teach them the more complex parts of LOL that the other scrubs just trying to get a different MMR just don't understand nor even try to understand.

Renascent4 votes

What irks me about all these threads about the league community being plagued with toxic players that take it too far is that such a problem is not limited to League of Legends.

These kinds of players can be found in every online multiplayer game. I had a game in the Starcraft 2 arcade where I decided to try out one of the player-created maps for the first time. This particular map is quite popular and has been out for a couple of years, complete with its own meta. Every single match I've played, I've been bashed on HARD, with some players whispering to me after the end of the game to "kill myself".

That said, all I have to suggest is: Unless you're playing a game where a majority of players are your friends, mute everybody. It's probably better for your mental health this way.

Billybaroo23147 votes

my problem is this.....the attitude you are taking encourages the behavior of the trolls. By ignoring the problem you are accepting it as is and thus agreeing with it. That is the problem, those who want a less toxic environment need to say enough and tell companies in the gaming industry ENOUGH already. They have ways to fight this, and if you ban these people and they don't change, then perma ban them, eventually, they will tire of making more accounts, or leave and go to another game, and you get rid of the toxicity here, not the good players and the ones YOU WANT TO KEEP.

TurquoiseYoshi2 votes

You're 100% right. People are able to find ways in Smash 4 to be toxic. In a game with no chat feature and no way to communicate.

Angry Monster4 votes

First off it was a internet troll, who cares what he says. He means nothing to you

2nd; you seem mentally pretty weak; since unknown stranger effects you this badly. This is the internet jerks are around everywhere

Mute report and move on, also get a thicker skin though. While he is wrong you look just as stupid making a post about this person. We all know their are idiots are on the web, you adding to it and whining does not do anything. Verbal trolls have power cause you allow them to effect you.

maxtherag9 votes

The answer to any problem is NEVER to ignore it. It is not the right of "trolls" and "anons" to beguile any individual. I'm not saying that this plebeian made any indentation on me personally, I am however questioning why so many of you sit around and accept this as a fundamental truth. Why does anyone feel that it is acceptable to berate another human person in such a demeanor. This is the problem that Riot needs to address; we all know that they are trying their best but I implore you, the people of League, to not sit back and be raped by those whom feel it necessary to derogate and opprobriate. Rather, I do encourage you, to transpose upon to them, your abhorrence of their temperament and condemn their behavior as unacceptable.

myAvalon5 votes

Please, your not giving a speech or lecture, (or maybe you think you are) but I'm sure that 99% of trolls/ragers and such know what they are doing and that it is wrong. You even responding in anyway is what they want, if you don't give them that satisfaction then they will get bored and lose interest. No reason to spend effort typing, and thinking of "helping" people that don't want to be helped, when I could be using those keystrokes to get better.

nerak234 votes

I find it amazing that people are telling OP they shouldn't have made this post and it doesn't belong here !!!

This is exactly what people should do when they have a problem and Isn't This the correct section to do so ?

And I mean everyone !! Those who agree with Riot and those who have a problem with the company. As long as poster can stay civil and keep the insults to a minimum every one has the right to voice their opinion. And everyone has the right to disagree with said opinion.

nerak233 votes

Honestly, Riot is trying to combat this as best they can. But the issue is they're outnumbered several thousand to 1. Not only that, but even if the person harassing does get banned, there's nothing stopping them from just making another account (One of the many reasons I think this game should be restricted to one account only) It's sad, but that's the reality of it

Nice post :) I do disagree with you on the only one account thing but this is a minor issue as I believe with the new system that Riot will start picking off smurfs that only have that account to make others players experience bad/nasty or whatever way you want to say it.

Riot is going a long way to make this game the best around, They are trying new things and using the newest systems to do so. I'm very impressed with them. I only hope they continue to stand up for the rights of those like me/you/ others and OP.

We should be able to play without taking abuse. And although the mute button is there and should be used. Let's not use this as an excuse to be an Ass !!

Rew7113 votes

Honestly, I read it all... and all I can think of is how well your vocabulary is.

SpeedieG2 votes

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Honestly, I read it all... and all I can think of is how well your vocabulary is.

how "good" your vocabulary is lol... well does not apply there.

swagyeet4203 votes

Hey man sorry thats happened to you, if you ever want someone to play with then hit me up with a friend request!

Draqone3 votes

You know, I may be an exception but I never mute people. I don't think it's a solution to be honest,I prefer to be able to communicate even with flamers.

I just learnt to not read any flame. As in, I can see it but I don't read it.

Might be my years of experience as a Forum Moderator though....

Chronobre4k3 votes

Ah yes, the greater internet ++++wad theory.

The gross thing about the internet sometimes is that people feel protected by their anonymity. And let's be real, in the heat of the moment, not everyone stops to consider who's on the other end of the screen. I'm not trying to justify it, since it's absolutely scummy, but that's why it happens. It gets even worse in a competitive environment like League.

At the end of the game, make those reports-- they do add up. Take advantage of the mute feature, too-- it can make the game go much more smoothly. I've had to go and switch off all chat for a while because it just got out of hand (which is a shame, because I have met some amazing Veigar players in mirror matches).

TBakes3 votes

This is a societal problem, not a problem with LoL or gamers or children. This is a problem with society and the anonymity of the internet. Riot will never be able to eradicate this behavior because people will continue to exhibit this behavior as long as they have no consequences. It makes me sad :(

However, this behavior is not as common as we perceive it to be. It is simply that this interaction will be branded into your brain much more vividly than any neutral or positive experience you have (up to 400x more vividly). It is human nature. Just ask Lyte! He brings this up all the time!

ModUlanopo3 votes

When League first came out, I didn't want to play because of my experiences with DotA. My friends basically had to bully me into trying it.

I will say that I had a couple of bad experiences, but I made some decisions about how to approach those early levels that really helped:

  • The mute button is your best friend. This is especially true with the new ping system.
  • Take a buddy. It reduces toxicity by at least 25%. Besides which, playing with your friends is usually pretty awesome.
  • Play for fun sometimes. Treating every game like an all-or-nothing deathmatch can turn you into the monster you see in others.
  • Along those same lines, sometimes it's time for a break.
Taricrageous3 votes

I feel you brother/sister. I have two accounts in two different servers and have been playing for years now, I've heard the dirtiest and ugliest insults. The other day someone wished my mother would die and wrote it in all chat and the game lobby in caps lock. I try not to mind and try to convince other players to focus on the games, instead of fighting over a game, but you can't convince and calm everyone for a fun game. I sometimes get mad over games, too, but I try not to effect or upset others, I try to resolve it myself. When it's a bad game, I tell myself, "Bad games happen, just try to learn and have fun and move on to the next." Unfortunately many people can't do that. I must say I've met many nice people, too, the people who say nothing even if you made a huge mistake and congratulates you on your nice plays. Mute and report is your best friends. Just try to ignore those people and try to enjoy games.

Biff Manly2 votes

Yeah. Good thing the Rito requires absolutely zero identification during account creation. Just slap in a new G-Mail and the same password you used for your last 5 banned accounts and just keep the trolling rolling.

Only Play Darius4 votes

They have systems that track people with multiple accounts., through IP addresses. Even if they don't take action on your other accounts, they know about them.

It's actually funny, couple of weeks ago there was a guy who was complaining on the boards about wrongfully being suspended for elo boosting. A Rioter responded saying they know for a fact he was boosted at the beginning of the season, then told him that his current account is at risk of another ban due to toxicity, then told that he has 1 account that was permabanned and 2 accounts that are suspended. He kept quiet after that.

Riot knows soooo much more about you then they let on.

ReportThisRiven2 votes

Hang in there m8 there's a lot to learn in this game but you can have some of the most fun you ever had playing a game playing league. I got a buddy that's a similar level as you having trouble for similar reasons as you. Best thing to do is mute them. Deprives them of the reaction they fish for and gives you peace. I'm not a pro but I'm happy to help beginners and veterans alike get better at the game if they are willing to listen :)

Gimpy892 votes

if you are level 6 i recommend only playing with your friends. That way they can help you improve and they will be understanding of you learning the game. Most low levels are smurfs and most smurfs are trolls since the main reason to smurf is to ruin games by having a much higher skill than your mmr.

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