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Hashinshin ban is inexcuseable by RIOT, and if anything Smurfing should be banned.

Mr Tyson·10/23/2018, 2:39:25 AM·71 votes·21,153 views

IMO this is one of the worst decisions I've ever seen. For everyone who hates how Hashinshin plays, I do too. Thats' not the point. Hashinshin is consistent in how he plays the game - bad. Hashinshin use to be a master tier player. He is now D3. He will probably continue to demote based on his playstyle over time. But I think we can agree that Hashinshin isn't some boosted Gold player. He earned his D3 ranking by playing over 1350 games, rarely duo'd, had a 25 game win streak in which he hit masters for a day.

Hashinshin, a Diamond 3 player, ran into a smurf account of Adrian Riven. Adrian is challenger. Hash, perhaps because he watched worlds and thought "Viktor top seems like a kool pick, maybe I'll try him out top", locked in a champ he has no experience playing. Against one of the top 200 players in our region. It's pretty predictable what happened.

I'm sure people will talk about how Hashinshin did X incorrectly. At what point did being bad turn into a 14 day suspension?

The season will be ending shortly, and the ranked ladder will be reseting. Is Riot going to be issuing bans to me because I have the misfortune of laning against Bjergsen, or Doublelift, or Sneaky, or any pro going through placement matches? I watched one of Fakers placement matches this year, and he went 18/0 at 13 minutes on Vladimir. This is now bannable?

The thing that makes shit situation so bullshit is that Hashinshin has always played like this. He didn't decide 'You know what, I'm losing so I'm going to run it down'. I've seen Hashinshin down 0/3/0 on Jax, jump in and get good trades off/kills. He does it all the time. It's his thing. It's why when a jungler know Hashinshin is on the enemy team, they camp top because he overextends. EVERY. SINGLE. GAME. 1350 diamond games to be exact. And today, he had the misfortune of running into a Challenger player smurfing in D3, and Riot banned him for it.(Not to mention, he was banned for selecting a champion he saw played on the world stage and isn't very good at, ARE YOU KIDDING WITH ME!!!!!!!!!)

I better see smurfing banned in the future if this precedent continues. Otherwise I'm not entering lane if I think my opponent might be better than me.

201 Comments

Jamaree10/23/2018, 3:18:50 AM27 votes

I don't know what is funnier, defending hashinshin or the fact you have a post about feeders: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/ZgdjYxkj-riot-needs-to-fix-surrender

DODGEORLOSE10/23/2018, 3:02:14 AM26 votes

Hashinshin has literally said Riot should just go kill themselves. On stream. Unironically. What part of that makes you think he's a decent human being? He's not funny. He's not interesting. He's not cool. And he's most definitely not someone I would ever want to play with.

ModPeriscope10/23/2018, 5:14:27 AM24 votes

It doesn't really seem like it's intentional feeding; regardless, he should write into support about his suspension.

Vreivai10/23/2018, 4:43:04 AM18 votes

Look, I get that you guys on this board have a hate boner for hashinshin. I personally don't have much of an opinion on him, because I've never really paid much attention to him. Maybe he even deserves a punishment for his behavior in games other than this one.

But guess what? This ban was for intentional feeding. Not toxic chat. And it wasn't for a pattern of behavior, because when when the system detects inting, it hands out a 14-day ban on the first offense. The same exact standard that applied to him here also applies to you. If you run up against a player far beyond you in playing ability and they're killing you nearly at will, you will also be banned. And don't think "oh, no, this won't happen to me, I can avoid feeding," because it can happen to you, and if you run into a challenger Riven smurf, it will happen to you.

fruckyoo10/23/2018, 11:21:00 AM7 votes

I mean..ive had "bad games". Heck I had one tonight where I went 1-5-2. Yeah we lost and I know my mistakes. But didn't hashinshin go like..0-19..? I mean..in all my years playing this game(since 2012) I've seen a lot of bad games, and ive played countless bad games. But never have I ever seen someone whos actually trying to be a positive force on their team..die 19 times. Let alone 0-19. That kind of death toll is suspicious..ive played against smurfs, and I got smashed..i went like 2-8-4 recently vs a Camille mid lane who recently started ranked and had score of 21-2 on Camille, and was something like 15-2-8 ish every game. I asked him in post game lobby if he was a Smurf, he smiled and left the lobby. Point is..yeah I got my teeth kicked in but I didnt go 0-19. Yeah smurfs are a pain..but you'll get your fair share of Smurf on your team and against you. And they're not very common..maybe you'll see one in 10 games if youre lucky. I know when RIOT hard bans( 2 weeks, or perms) for toxoc behavior they pull chat logs and. Show you them the next time you login and you even have to click "I understand." Point is, I highly doubt RIOT banned him on a hunch. I'm sure footage was reviewed.

Colgate Gator10/23/2018, 2:49:38 PM6 votes

Sorry mate, but I saw that game, and he was intentionally feeding, there's no excuse to going 0/19, specially for someone in that level of play.

He walked into the enemy jungle as he went to grab his cat, and then walked into his lane brush vs a Riven, hell, he even sarcastically said "Kitty, you killed meeee" in the most aloof manner possible.

And then of course, began dying over and over with the death rate that not even a Bronze 5 player can match if They're really trying.

twinkerbelle10/23/2018, 7:10:30 AM6 votes

Hey, so as someone who's currently in d3 and has played with hash many times, as well as with and against a few Challenger players in games back when I was hanging around high d2, hash deserved to be banned for that game. The spirit of the intentional feeding bans is that in a game where you are trying to play semi competitively, if you feed your ass off because of choices you make that have only one outcome, it's inting. I've had games against Challenger Smurfs where all I did was focus on not feeding or on at least trying to slow the bleed and then take part in team fights. Hash went like 0/19/3, meaning that not only did he pick a champ he can't play in a game mode meant to be taken somewhat seriously, but he then decided to die a shit ton and not even take part in that many kills. He also literally ran it down to play with his cat level one in a different game, during the invade before laning.

LoRdJeSuS696942010/23/2018, 7:36:51 AM5 votes

He intentionally feeds out of stubbornness and irritation pretty often, just not as egregiously as in the viktor game. I think it's quite clear that he didn't lose the matchup so hard because the riven was that much better; he deliberately played poorly and used the opportunity to complain about riven's balance. It's harmful behavior, and makes the experience worse for everyone involved. So, a temp-ban.

Shifted Society10/23/2018, 4:30:12 PM5 votes

Hashinshun was boosted, yeah sure he queues up by himself whatever but his team always carried him LOL if anyone can get banned for going 0/19/0 then he deserved the ban too. Stop being a fanboy.[sg-miss-fortune]

Diablo Incarnate10/23/2018, 5:06:43 PM5 votes

To everyone defending his inting as a bad game: on stream he literally took his hands off the mouse as he was walking into the enemy team, he straight up ran at melee riven and then ran past her lvl 1 while she was attacking him, he simply never even attempted to cc riven when she'd engage, and worst of all, he literally announced that was he making bad decisions with his actions that he announced would get him killed.

To clarify, he announced out loud and on video that he was intentionally making decisions he knew would give the enemies kills. How is that not inting?

Naiant10/23/2018, 3:58:00 PM5 votes

He wasn't banned for playing against a Challenger player. He wasn't banned for playing a champion picked in world's. He was banned for inting, an easy call to make considering the evidence.

If this post isn't satire it's really a piece of work

Jo0o10/23/2018, 2:47:10 AM4 votes

So, we gonna get a link to the game in question, or...

jamaal charles10/23/2018, 11:58:36 AM4 votes

You guys claim riot games is biased against hashinshin but i think its quite the opposite. If i act like hashinshin does I probably won't last a month without getting permabanned. I think they should stop giving special treatment to streamers and treat them like the rest of us.

RyanSeacrestType10/23/2018, 1:02:12 PM4 votes

Let me paint a broader picture of the situation here because I completely agree with the ban. Hashinshin jumped into a competitive scene with players attempting to win a match and decided to lock in the champion he has absolutely zero experience on meaning that he would most likely lose his match up and put his team at a disadvantage. Which makes it very frustrating for the players who are trying to win the hardest they can. Now look at the alternative, if you really wanted to learn how to play Victor top, there is literally a game mode called normals where the repercussions of losing doesn't matter and it gives you the opportunity to learn new things without jeopardizing other players. And he decided to do this in a competitive match where he knowingly jeopardized other people's games. Keep him banned.

idno10/23/2018, 8:01:48 AM3 votes

You guys just have to accept that there are dumb people in the world. People that will let their bias prevent them from making/considering a valid argument. They don’t like Hashinshin, so even when he is obviously unjustly banned they will say it was deserved. Personally I don’t like Hashinshin, he makes poor choices then blames it on the game, although anyone who bothered to watch the game could see he did not “intentionally” feed.

Don Pasquale10/23/2018, 3:39:15 PM2 votes

If smurfing was banned, and all smurf accounts were deleted, Riot would lose over 50% of their accounts/playerbase xD

Oishidesu10/23/2018, 6:00:31 AM2 votes

The way hashinshin plays IS practically inting. He plays overly aggressive, like he’s in a 1v1 dies 3 times in a row and still comes back to lane to try and 1v1 his enemy lamer after getting solo killed. And at some point people get really pissed off because of the way hashinshin chooses to play the game as they also have to deal with the person that hashinshin is feeding kills. As mentioned before, hash hasn’t had a positive lad in 10 games which just shows that the way he plays isn’t effective unless the enemy jg is afk. Additionally you are making reference to him playing vs a smurf but you also mention that he has peaked in master. That tells me that hash is more than capable of playing league at a high level but he chooses not to. He went 0/19 that score isn’t possible unless ur inting because being 0/19 is inting and I know that if you were a player in HIGH ELO trying to climb you would not like to know that ur top laner inted 19 kills to the enemy team, specifically a riven. I have nothing against hash besides the fact that his play style (which is similar to imaqtpie) is practically inting.

Riot didn’t go out of their way to ban hash. Someone on his team after that match reported him and seeing as those people at riot games probably Don’t look at the video then they probably saw his kda, looked at his other negative kda’s and decided he was inting this match and banned him. Maybe now diamond playing can have two weeks without having to play 6v4.

Ásgardian Draugr10/24/2018, 4:02:59 PM2 votes

The only inexcusable part of his ban is the fact that it's not permanent.

His ban, I guarantee, wasn't just from that one game. Hashinshin has a track record of giving up games on a daily basis if he's not winning lane. He is diamond only because of the amount of games he plays, it is impossible in League to play over 3000 games in a season and not hit Diamond, unless you go into any game looking to lose. Hashinshin has the mechanics, yes, he's not a complete ape, but he has no understanding of how to win the game, and has the weakest mental of any player I've ever seen alongside probably Tyler1. The reason anyone even likes him is, since his game play is that of a bronze/silver, but with acceptable mechanics, since silver is the most represented division in ranked by player amount, people can relate to him, however, League should not revolve around people that can't or don't want to play the game properly. Hashinshin has been a nuisance for the League community for ages, and based on hundreds of his actions, should've gotten IP banned a long time ago.